PSA: Cherry Bomber mech box mod is just that.. A bomb. Do not use.

[Bad Ninja]

if its used strictly for target shooting, its not a weapon....

By who's definition? Yours?
Just try telling that to any LEO.

lets just say ( for the sake of being a thought experiment) you have the copper CB on a metal counter....... .

"But...but... If you drop your cherry bomber from the Empire State Building....."

Enough with the imaginary scenarios of doom.

If You can't use it safely you probably shouldn't touch one.
Like an F1 car or top fuel dragster, some have the knowledge and abity to use them properly and safely without issue.

It's not the design that's flawed, it's the line of thinking that everything should be for everyone.
That's not reality.

 

[VictorViper]

I'm never said it was impossible to do. Just that is usually requires some intention and planning to make it work. But yes, given the right kind of unplanned events to randomly happen in the right order and in a very specific way, it is possible for something to happen that would cause the attached atomizer to vaporize juice. And if those chance events happened to coincide with a person who was using an atomizer build below 0.1 ohm, this could end up being dangerous for the parallel batteries, assuming the slim possibility that the coil was able to stay lit for very long before burning out... along with the possibility that the user is using batteries with a CDR lower than 20A installed (so less than 40A CDR for the two parallel batteries combined)... compounded with the possibility that the batteries did actually vent and the mod venting openings were blocked. I think there is a higher chance of a regulated mod exploding while plugged in through a built-in USB charging port.

I could also think of a specific order of things that could go wrong sequentially in order to make the revolver fire without using the trigger. That should never happen though, because you should treat your revolver with the respect a loaded weapon deserves. Always be sure the barrel and action are clear from obstructions. Carry your weapon so that you have full control of where the barrel is pointed. Don't point your weapon at anything you do not want to shoot. Be sure of the target and what is beyond it.

A mech mod isn't going to result in anyone getting killed if something goes wrong. There is a small chance that they could get hurt, though, if they have a blatant disregard for safe practices with their gear and batteries.

Beautiful retort, my friend. I can't believe the hoops people are willing to jump through to justify their opinions. It's an unregulated, mechanical device. It demands respect and knowledge to operate safely like all unregulated, mechanical devices. Seriously, this thread needs to die.

 

[nyiddle]

Beautiful retort, my friend. I can't believe the hoops people are willing to jump through to justify their opinions. It's an unregulated, mechanical device. It demands respect and knowledge to operate safely like all unregulated, mechanical devices. Seriously, this thread needs to die.

It's doing what it was meant to do. Someone posted in the New Members Forum asking for device suggestions and said he was considering a Cherry Bomber. Someone else linked to this thread and pointed out that, if the person didn't know specifically what they were doing, this wouldn't be a good mod to buy.

He decided not to buy the mod, which (at his experience level) was definitely a good decision.

It's not like the device comes with a warning that says, "For experienced vapers only." People are going to buy the device, not knowing its flaws/features/whatever you want to justify it as, and they're going to get hurt.

Put a loose battery in your pocket, it explodes = definitely user error.

Put a mod in your pocket and it starts firing, you burn yourself =/= user error. Especially considering the vast majority (if not all) of unregulated/mech devices on the market don't do this.

I've sort of stopped responding/trying to justify the thread, because I realize that the owners of the device won't really back down, but this thread wasn't made to debate with the owners of the device, it was made to let potential buyers know that the device has some flaws (or features or, like I said, whatever term you want to justify the issues as).

Additionally, the number of people that agree that this device shouldn't be on the market/the number of people who bought this device and only AFTER buying realized the design flaws vastly outweighs the number of owners who are perfectly satisfied with the device.

 

[VictorViper]

To me that only proves that the number of people who want mechanical devices greatly outnumber people who have essentially qualified themselves to use them.

There is one point in this thread that deserves its own discussion, and that is the matter of documentation provided with all vaping products, and I'm including regulated batteries and atomizers here.

As it stands, it's 100% up to the consumer to figure these things out and (IMO) if a manufacturer and/or retailer has the intention of placing their products in as many hands as possible, then it behooves them to ensure proper documentation is provided like with ANY product.

But that's not describing the Cherry Bomber or frankly ANY mechanical device on the market. The problem as I see it are the cloners who produce these things en masse at price points any regular Joe can afford.

The current market is what it is. We can self-regulate or not. If you're stuffing mechs in your pocket it's time to reassess your choices.

 

[nyiddle]

To me that only proves that the number of people who want mechanical devices greatly outnumber people who have essentially qualified themselves to use them.

The thing is, no vape shop (online or B&M) cares if you're "qualified" to use a device. Most vape shops just want to make the sale, and they'll set you up with a Cherry Bomber as your first mech mod with little to no warnings on battery safety, let alone the quirks that the specific device may have. Beyond that, who is "qualified"? And what does it mean if someone who is, safe to say, "qualified" deems the device as unsafe?

Additionally, I just checked a BUNCH of websites, none of which have a "FOR EXPERIENCED VAPERS ONLY" warning of any kind on their Cherry Bomber product page. I mean, that seems like the bare minimum in terms of warning/protecting vapers who, in all likelihood, aren't being brazen or careless, they just weren't told that "these are the things that can happen."

Lastly: The Cherry Bomber V2 does not have any of these issues as far as pre-release reviews have mentioned. Did they fix a design flaw or remove a feature?

 

[DaveSignal]

Lastly: The Cherry Bomber V2 does not have any of these issues as far as pre-release reviews have mentioned. Did they fix a design flaw or remove a feature?

There is no Cherry Bomber v2. This is only cloners making money off the cherry bomber name / logo printed on a box with wires.

 

[VictorViper]

See but that's the broken rhetoric all anti-mech people use. Would you wire up a receptacle in your home blindly? Just get in there with the mains power at your fingertips and slap a box and outlet together? These things don't come with documentation either. It's an incredibly simple job, but it CAN and WILL kill you in an instant if you make any small error without taking appropriate safety precautions.

With alternating current, you turn the power off at the source before you start prodding around with conductive materials in your hands. With direct current you don't have that luxury, so you take the damn batteries out first. Is this common knowledge? Of course not, but it's the USER'S responsibility to arm themselves with knowledge enough to operate their device safely. Thankfully, the popularity and desirability of regulated, variable devices VASTLY outnumbers that of mechanicals, and those are built with circuitry that protects the layperson.

There are infinite analogies you can apply to the Cherry Bomber's design and we've seen a bunch of them in here already. None of them seem to want to put the basic safety and competencies of operation in the user's hands, and that's absurd.

Oh, and for what it's worth, reputable sites DO have an advanced users disclaimer on all mechanical and rebuildable products. The B&M shops I frequent have comprehensive workshops on rebuilding, battery safety, etc. with regularity. Slapping a disclaimer on something does nothing except protect the reseller from a lawsuit.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Wow....straw men, red herrings, the non-existent anti-mech people argument, and elitism....this thread has it all.

Honestly, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, and i'm not referring to the OP.

 

[VictorViper]

Excellent and helpful point. Pat yourself on the back.

 

[Bad Ninja]

The thing is, no vape shop (online or B&M) cares if you're "qualified" to use a device. Most vape shops just want to make the sale, and they'll set you up with a Cherry Bomber as your first mech mod with little to no warnings on battery safety, let alone the quirks that the specific device may have.

every site I use has a clear disclaimer on mechanicals and rebuildable attys stating "for advanced users only".

Beyond that, who is "qualified"? And what does it mean if someone who is, safe to say, "qualified" deems the device as unsafe?

Electronics are taught in school. If you don't have the qualifications you are taking your safety in your own hands.
Use good judgement of yourself.
You don't have to be told. Or have your hand held. You know your limits.
Use your head. We are after all, adults.

Additionally, I just checked a BUNCH of websites, none of which have a "FOR EXPERIENCED VAPERS ONLY" warning of any kind on their Cherry Bomber product page.

Can you name a few?
Almost every reputable vape website on the net has a disclaimer on all mods and RBAs "for advanced users only".
Even fasttech.

I mean, that seems like the bare minimum in terms of warning/protecting vapers who, in all likelihood, aren't being brazen or careless, they just weren't told that "these are the things that can happen."

This is where true knowledge and experience is required.

If you truly understand how the cherry bomber is designed, you DO know that it could happen, and you vape safe.

That's the point. And the problem.
Everyone wants to THINK they are an expert after a YouTube video.

Wow....straw men, red herrings, the non-existent anti-mech people argument, and elitism....this thread has it all.

Honestly, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, and i'm not referring to the OP.

That's exactly why they call these websites "discussion forums".
If we all shared the same opinion in everything the world would be extremely boring. Welcome the diversity. It's how we learn.

 

[DaveSignal]

I was just looking at this full mechanical box on the MCV facebook page:

I can't find much information about it, but just from the way the switch is placed (right under where the atomizer would mount) and the delrin on the top, I bet that it works just like the CB. Maybe this would make people more comfortable, since the insulator is bigger. Of course, you could probably still short it if you had a bendable strip of metal or a wire. But I don't think the people truly interested in this sort of thing are going to be put off by that. It is expensive. And the copper one even more. I am going to keep an eye on the clones that come out.

 

[DaveSignal]

I actually just found this picture of the top of that mcv raptor:

So, it does work exactly the same way. Its basically a little bit shorter Cherry Bomber with more easily removable batteries (no screwdriver required). I am glad that they stuck with a great design. The screws in the top cap are obviously conductive, though, so we may see another thread of some user who watched a youtube video and is now freaking out because they saw someone bridge a piece of metal from the screw head to the atomizer. I do think it would have looked better without that delrin on the top, but I guess its easier to mount much larger than 22mm atomizers now... (who actually uses atomizers this big?)

So, basically, this is a new version of the CB with upgraded battery removal and a full delrin top. I am sure that it hits just as hard.

 

[Vapen8]

I have been using my cherry bomber for about a week or two and its been pretty good until this morning.
I was trying to change the tank and when I unscrewed the tank, the 510 female socket actually un screwed with the tank and that dropped the nut into the case and shorted the batteries one exploded and the other one heated up so high I burned my finger. I had to race to get the thing apart to get the batteries out.
I don't mind when one of my RDAs auto fired. I learned not to use that one with the cherry bomber. But, when you can't simply unscrew a tank without the damn thing shorting out and burning you while scrambling to get batteries out before it explodes... The design could definitely use an upgrade.
I need to find a way to secure the terminal better so it doesn't come undone so easily.

I was thinking about this problem, I think the positive terminal should be counter threaded. That way when you unscrew the atty it will only make it tighter. However that would mean danger with screwing in the atty.

 

[Vapen8]

Beautiful retort, my friend. I can't believe the hoops people are willing to jump through to justify their opinions. It's an unregulated, mechanical device. It demands respect and knowledge to operate safely like all unregulated, mechanical devices. Seriously, this thread needs to die.

I don't see why you're commenting on this thread if you don't like it. Do you seek out threads you don't want to read, just so you can knock them? Do you think you come off cool or something?
I bet you're a hipster aren't you?
You hate everything that lots of people like and like things that most people don't. You're special because of it.
Lol
Take a chill pill.

I don't care about the auto fire. I probably would never have noticed. I don't put heavy bulky box mods in my pocket. I only use it at home. But when unscrewing the tank from the mod, the terminal came apart and the thing shorted out big time.
I was an electrician, I hold 2 degrees in science. I am qualified to use this "expert device". I tell you, the design should not be as such. The positive post should be locked into place in someway as to prevent a conductive chunk of copper from being dropped into the switch case and shorting out the batteries.
Stop being better than everyone and go comment on something where you can be helpful.

 

[VictorViper]

Out of all the posts in this thread you singled out mine why? Sounds like you had a defect. That sucks. Up until now the entire thread was about the potential shorting issue you specifically mentioned you didn't care about. I'm nothing like the childish names you called me, pal. But after that rage-out maybe you need the pill.

Man, this thread was a week stale. Came SO CLOSE to dying.

 

[DaveSignal]

Yeah, I'm getting tired of defending the CB, even though it is definitely not a bomb. It's a hard hitting mech that works well for me. Some people don't like it (and don't think other people should use it). A lot of these people have never actually even used it.

The new raptor is similar, and I just recently started looking into this new mech after comments on this thread led me to believe there was a CB v2 (which does not actually exist in authentic form). But, since I am quite interested in the new Raptor mech, I didn't want to continue discussion of it on a thread titled, "OMG ITS A BOMB! DO NOT USE!". There is a chance, though, that someone who has never used the device and does not really understand it will post a similar thread for that box too.

MCV Raptor T6 - the new mech box from the guys who did the Cherry Bomber! | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Vapen8]

I recently got an ELeaf 100W Box mod. It's protected of course, so it's not a mech. I find myself using it in place of my CB.

I did like the CB, but I liked it more before it came apart and killed my 20 dollar battery while unscrewing the atty.

Be warned, if you own one, take out your batts before changing atty.

With that said, let me throw a question or there out of curiosity.
What's the lowest ohm coil you have used with your CB?

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[Bad Ninja]

I recently got an ELeaf 100W Box mod. It's protected of course, so it's not a mech. I find myself using it in place of my CB.

I did like the CB, but I liked it more before it came apart and killed my 20 dollar battery while unscrewing the atty.

Be warned, if you own one, take out your batts before changing atty.

With that said, let me throw a question or there out of curiosity.
What's the lowest ohm coil you have used with your CB?

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.18 is the lowest I've built on mine.
Doesn't even get warm.
I find no need to build lower ( on anything).


Also
$20 battery? Holy price gouge batman!
Try illumn.com. None of these 18650 batteries should ever cost that much.

 

[Vapen8]

.18 is the lowest I've built on mine.
Doesn't even get warm.
I find no need to build lower ( on anything).


Also
$20 battery? Holy price gouge batman!
Try illumn.com. None of these 18650 batteries should ever cost that much.

It was 2800mah batteries. The nut that holds the positive pin and housing steady, dropped into the carriage and shorted out. Burned my finger.

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[DaveSignal]

It was 2800mah batteries. The nut that holds the positive pin and housing steady, dropped into the carriage and shorted out. Burned my finger.

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There are no high drain batteries that I know of at 2800mah. You should be using: VTC4, VTC5, Samsung 25R, LG HE2, LG HE4, or any rewraps that use these specific batteries.

And, as a side note, if you decide to start messing with your mech with the batteries installed and something doesn't feel right, don't just keep forcing it until it breaks. Stop and figure out what is going on.

As for the ohms I am using, I have a Mephisto v2 on it right now with a dual coil build using parallel strands of 24g on each side of the deck. I have been using this for a while now and don't remember what it measured out to, but it is probably close to .1 ohm. It works great and makes huge flavor and vapor.