Question about adding flavor

[Mroutlaw]

Some I bought some tpa flavorings from wizard labs. Most are super concentrated and the website says they should be diluted. Because of that I am starting with 2% - 5% flavor.

My question is this, if I want more flavor, how do I adjust my formula. Can I just add a few drops into my existing mixture? How do I know what the measurement is now if it comes out right? For example, let's say I start with 9.5ml 6mg nic pg and .5ml flavor. I then decide that I need more flavor so I add another .5ml of flavor. And this time my flavor is perfect. How do I know exactly what I have now since I have changed concentrations? Is there a calculator that will help you with adjustments?

The example I am giving is a simple one. My mixtures will actually involve 36mg pg base, vg, pg and flavoring. I always want the end result to be 70pg/30vg with 6mg nic


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[hdzrtvap]

Take a look at ejuice Me Up calculator HERE

 

[Mroutlaw]

I've downloaded that already. My question is, once it's made, is there a way to make adjustments.

Let's say I make a juice using the calculations it gives me and then add 1ml of flavoring afterwards. Is there a way that I can then write in what I put in so that it can give me the correct calculation later? Would I just subtract that much from the pg added later?




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[Mylt1]

E juice calc has a "notes" section that you can add info to.

 

[paddymx]

Some I bought some tpa flavorings from wizard labs. Most are super concentrated and the website says they should be diluted. Because of that I am starting with 2% - 5% flavor.

My question is this, if I want more flavor, how do I adjust my formula. Can I just add a few drops into my existing mixture? How do I know what the measurement is now if it comes out right? .... And this time my flavor is perfect. How do I know exactly what I have now since I have changed concentrations? Is there a calculator that will help you with adjustments? .... I always want the end result to be 70pg/30vg with 6mg nic.

I was having the same issue because a drop here and there is in fact altering the mix. One, because you have sampled the mix and used some(volume) of it up. Then your drops may or may not be of the 20 per ml variety. I have found different droppers have different per ml counts even if you can keep track and don't have any run-on drips. Lets say your mix had 3 drops @20 per ml, you consumed .25 ml in your testing. What is the correct % to use in the calculator so you can reproduce the "my flavor is perfect." consistently in the future. The required MATH is well above my pay grade.!

So, what I do is make a 3ml batch using the ejuice calculator. That is good enough to fill a carto and have a little left over to let it steep for a day or two. I huff and puff taking notes like nose flavor, overall flavor, bite, etc. Then, after a day or two puff the remaining juice maybe with an atty. Then I start over again making adjustments. Spin, repeat,spin... Being new myself I was going nuts dripping,tasting,dripping, etc. By the time I was done I couldn't have told you if I was puffing a Cherry VanillaButterscohHoneysucile or mudd.

Therefore what I have decided to do is to look at the recipes included with the ejuice calculator. Modify them, to meet my nic and PG:VG, and quantity requirements. Many of them have multiple ingredients which can help identify how flavors interact. Check them out.

Then in the future if I want to share, I will/would post a screen shot of the final calculator. Then there are now questions. No drips/drops/pinches...... just follow the screen

 

[Hoosier]

For example, let's say I start with 9.5ml 6mg nic pg and .5ml flavor. I then decide that I need more flavor so I add another .5ml of flavor. And this time my flavor is perfect. How do I know exactly what I have now since I have changed concentrations?

It's pretty straightforward, just remember that % is item/total volume and it's grade school math from there. In your example you have (0.5+0.5)/(9.5+0.5+0.5)*100%=9.5%. Just add up the flavoring and divide by the total volume. (and then multiply by 100 to get it up to a percentage, but hopefully that is automatic...)

 

[Flurfel]

Thanks for that equation, had forgotten it.

 

[YorkieGirl1]

Your actually adding that much PG to your calculations. most flavorings are pg flavored. You will need much more than a few drops of TPA too. Its not that concentrated. Start at least at 10% or your going to get frustrated quickly. Afterwards, change your % to match the amount of flavoring, and increase the amount that much too (example if you originally made 3 ml, but then ended up adding 20 drops, thats about .5 ml, so make your amount on the calculator to 3.5 and make your percentage of flavor to go up to reflect the 20 extra drops. That will make it the same for next time no matter what you change (as in new bottle size, it will change the drops etc automatically for you. Hope that helped and didnt confuse you more.

 

[WCSR]

Most of my TPA base flavorings run at 20%. Then I add in little accents around 5-10%. So, if I want cherry vanilla, I want Vanilla as my base flavoring, so it is 20% of my total volume (1ml of a 5ml batch), then I will add cherry in at about 10% (1/2 ml out of 5ml). So for my Cherry and Vanilla flavorings, they comprise 30% of my overall volume. The rest is my PG/nicotine base, and VG additive.



As for figuring up what you start out with and what you have after you've added... There are basic math formulas to figure it out, but sometime I'm not sure how much I have in the bottle after trying it. So I do it this way... If I come out too light on flavor on a batch, I will add flavor until it is good, vape that, and then on my next batch, I generally up my flavoring by 5%. If that's still too light, I will again add flavor until it is good, and then boost my flavor by another 5% on the next batch. It's just easier for me that way. I know it's not a perfect science, but I only have to do it a couple of times to narrow it down to the right blend of being good but not too heavy. And once I've got "it", I can whip out as many consistent batches as I want from then on.

Another thing I do, is mix PG/VG and flavor only (no nicotine), and try it. If I don't like it, I throw it out, and do another batch and adjust things. That way, you're not wasting precious nicotine if you throw it away. Do know though, without nicotine, there will be no throat hit when you try it. It will only be flavor and vapor.


Either way... Get a graduated cylinder that has markings for tenths of milliliters. It makes it much easier to measure out your stuff to exact proportions.


The important thing is to document, document, document. I keep a file on my computer and my backup drive for recipes, and just update it as I go. It sucks making something awesome...only to not remember exactly what your recipe was. I take notes as I'm making something new. I then try it, and make more notes concerning how the taste is, I even let friends try it and take notes from them, and then try to decide if I need to increase the flavor, decrease the flavor, maybe add a hint of another flavor to give it a good foretaste or aftertaste, maybe add a touch of sweetener, maybe increase VG and decrease PG or vice-versa, etc. It can get frustrating, and sometimes there's nothing you can do to make a particular flavor vapable. But, for me, the brewing of e-juice is the thing that keeps me busy and not thinking about smoking. Right now, I've got three different vapable recipes I'm working on perfecting (for me personally). Once I've got those where I want them, I'll probably start on the next one...and just work them one at a time from there to keep it interesting.


You just gotta remember to have fun with it.

 

[Keekers]

What syringe/method is the easiest way to determine the drops/ml? My flavors drip really fast using my current syringe (too fast to count)

 

[Hoosier]

I'll measure # of drops to make the 3ml mark in a graduated cylinder and divide by 3 to get drops/ml.

That said I've NEVER use a syringe to drip with. My syringes have these handy markings on them that I use to measure so counting drops seems kinda' odd to me. With marks every 0.02ml that is like having the accuracy of 50 drops/ml without the annoying things that make drops inaccurate.

 

[Keekers]

Thanks Hoosier!

 

[Keekers]

Is there a way to to test previous Nic and precious flavors without waste?

I read str8's and yours (Hoosier) blog but I'm still confused. The recipe is really good but who knows if I need the extra tones.
I got these as my make shift graduated cylinders.
20 X 1ml Disposable Syringe for Measuring Hydroponics

Here is the recipe I was referring to about how I should just test out each flavor.

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