Question about Nicotine and E-Cigs

[Jammin]

I was reading another thread about the mathematical equation comparing the nicotine we get in cigarettes as compared to the nicotine the average person who vapes regularly is inhaling. It was alarming to me to see that we are probably getting much more nicotine in most cases vaping than smoking. So i did a little bit of research on the effects of nicotine and the best news I could find is that while nicotine is considered a 'poison' it is mostly the other chemicals and ingredients in analogs that cause cancer.

But it still has me wondering how bad inhaling pure nicotine really is, and so no one knows the longterm effects of e-cigarettes yet I just wonder ....I am wondering if any of you guys have pondered this and have any thoughts on it?


I still see it as a better alternative to not only getting nicotine but also thousands of other chemicals and tar, not to mention the cosmetic affect of yellow teeth and a horrific smell from analogs, but at the same time, i just wonder about getting so much nicotine and inhaling it that way.....and what ill effects longterm use could have.

This isn't intended to be a thread looking for an absolute answer as I don't think medical science even has one yet, just a discussion thread on everyone's thoughts about the e-cigarette and the fact that most likely we are inhaling a lot more nicotine than we were on the analogs....I also wondered about how i get some drips on my lips and even tonuge, small amounts obviously but with analogs the nicotine doesn't normally drip on us the way it does with e-cigs and i wonder what longterm effects might be. Occasional drips probably no issue, but i am thinking it i vaped the next ten years what the cumulative effects of those drops of juice getting on my lips and tongue might do.

I'm not saying that i think e-cigs are worse than analogs so please don't misconstrue my post...this is as I said just intended as a discussion thread. I am just curious if others think about this very much as they vape?

 

[Mclassy]

There is an entire thread about nicotine and e-cigs.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html

 

[DC2]

I was reading another thread about the mathematical equation comparing the nicotine we get in cigarettes as compared to the nicotine the average person who vapes regularly is inhaling. It was alarming to me to see that we are probably getting much more nicotine in most cases vaping than smoking.

Where is this thread? That is so wrong that I need to go there and correct whatever is being said.


It is almost certain you will be taking in less nicotine vaping.
Probably a lot less.

The average amount of juice used is somewhere between 1ml to 5ml per day, with most people at around 2ml to 3ml per day.
Since the juice strength is mg/ml a juice that is 24mg strength will provide 72mg for a person using 3ml per day.

Now here is the part that people who are worried don't know... we do not absorb all of that nicotine from vaping.

Some studies have shown that we get around 10% of the nicotine from vaping.
Others see flaws in those studies, have done their own testing, and feel we get more like 40% of the nicotine from vaping.

So if using 3ml per day of 24mg strength liquid, you would get anywhere from 7.2mg to 28.8mg of nicotine.
And that would equal about 7 to 28 cigarettes, depending on what cigarettes we are talking about, and how much we really absorb.

 

[Jammin]

Where is this thread? That is so wrong that I need to go there and correct whatever is being said.


It is almost certain you will be taking in less nicotine vaping.
Probably a lot less.

The average amount of juice used is somewhere between 1ml to 5ml per day, with most people at around 2ml to 3ml per day.
Since the juice strength is mg/ml a juice that is 24mg strength will provide 72mg for a person using 3ml per day.

Now here is the part that people who are worried don't know... we do not absorb all of that nicotine from vaping.

Some studies have shown that we get around 10% of the nicotine from vaping.
Others see flaws in those studies, have done their own testing, and feel we get more like 40% of the nicotine from vaping.

So if using 3ml per day of 24mg strength liquid, you would get anywhere from 7.2mg to 28.8mg of nicotine.
And that would equal about 7 to 28 cigarettes, depending on what cigarettes we are talking about, and how much we really absorb.

It's a sticky somewhere, i'll have to go find it....maybe i read it wrong but it seemed the general consensus was the average vaper is taking in more nicotine than analogs....

 

[Jammin]

I was reading another thread about the mathematical equation comparing the nicotine we get in cigarettes as compared to the nicotine the average person who vapes regularly is inhaling. It was alarming to me to see that we are probably getting much more nicotine in most cases vaping than smoking. So i did a little bit of research on the effects of nicotine and the best news I could find is that while nicotine is considered a 'poison' it is mostly the other chemicals and ingredients in analogs that cause cancer.

But it still has me wondering how bad inhaling pure nicotine really is, and so no one knows the longterm effects of e-cigarettes yet I just wonder ....I am wondering if any of you guys have pondered this and have any thoughts on it?


I still see it as a better alternative to not only getting nicotine but also thousands of other chemicals and tar, not to mention the cosmetic affect of yellow teeth and a horrific smell from analogs, but at the same time, i just wonder about getting so much nicotine and inhaling it that way.....and what ill effects longterm use could have.

This isn't intended to be a thread looking for an absolute answer as I don't think medical science even has one yet, just a discussion thread on everyone's thoughts about the e-cigarette and the fact that most likely we are inhaling a lot more nicotine than we were on the analogs....I also wondered about how i get some drips on my lips and even tonuge, small amounts obviously but with analogs the nicotine doesn't normally drip on us the way it does with e-cigs and i wonder what longterm effects might be. Occasional drips probably no issue, but i am thinking it i vaped the next ten years what the cumulative effects of those drops of juice getting on my lips and tongue might do.

I'm not saying that i think e-cigs are worse than analogs so please don't misconstrue my post...this is as I said just intended as a discussion thread. I am just curious if others think about this very much as they vape?

Am I allowed to also create my own thread? That talks about how much nicotine is in them, but I just wanted everyone's thoughts on the effects of it, and how they feel in general about the drips that get on our skin, our mouths, etc.

Just looking for everyone's thoughts for discussion.

 

[markmcs]

I've read that you actually get much less nicotine by vaping! You would have to chain vape all day to get the same nicotine level as smoking.

I think it has to do with the fact that vapor is cooler than smoke, so the absorption rate is lower.

In any case, vapor is a mixture of PG, VG, flavoring, water, and nicotine. It's far from pure nicotine.

I wouldn't worry about the levels, because since it is a quick acting stimulant, if you were getting too much, your body would let you know...shakes, heart palpitations or racing pulse, sweating, nausea and headaches. If you get any of those symptoms, ease off or switch to a lower mg level.

 

[DC2]

My thoughts on nicotine are that it might be better to get some than not to get some.
And for that reason, I am using 12mg strength now, and have no intention of going any lower.

Nicotine is generally recognized as being no worse for you than caffeine.

I'm not saying it is wonderful and fabulous, but you should check out this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...otine-helps-memory-alzheimers-parkinsons.html

The thread linked above discusses many other possible benefits of nicotine as well.

 

[Irons]

I feel like I get way more nic vaping than smoking, or maybe its just more concentrated. Either way I'm diluting my 24 mg down 2/3 after 6 weeks off the smokes, it was making my ears ring.

 

[Jammin]

My thoughts on nicotine are that it might be better to get some than not to get some.
And for that reason, I am using 12mg strength now, and have no intention of going any lower.

Nicotine is generally recognized as being no worse for you than caffeine.

I'm not saying it is wonderful and fabulous, but you should check out this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...otine-helps-memory-alzheimers-parkinsons.html

The thread linked above discusses many other possible benefits of nicotine as well.

I have also heard that, that nicotine is no worse for you than caffiene in small doses. I can live with that.

 

[Jammin]

I know i DID suffer withdrawals the first four or five days of using the ECig. I stopped analogs completely from my first puff and i had to go thru some withdrawal which at the time made me think i wasn't getting as much nicotine...however it has also been suggested that the withdrawal wasn't entirely from nicotine but some of the other additives, which could also be true.

 

[markmcs]

When you stop analogs, you also stop putting 4000+ other chemicals into your body. I definitely feel a lot of changes going on that have nothing to do with nicotine.

 

[CaptJay]

I feel I get LESS nic from vaping than smoking - certainly its a slower hit than smoking, but chain smoking used to make me feel headachey and sick (signs of nic OD) and chain vaping (at 12mg) does not.
There is a study here somewhere saying that we get about 3 times LESS nic from vaping than smoking as it (a PV) is pretty inefficient compared to a cigarette.
Either way I go by my own symptoms and this feels like less

 

[Jammin]

The first post in this thread is what got me to thinking and wondering...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nverting-e-cigs-regards-nicotine-content.html

Where is this thread? That is so wrong that I need to go there and correct whatever is being said.


It is almost certain you will be taking in less nicotine vaping.
Probably a lot less.

The average amount of juice used is somewhere between 1ml to 5ml per day, with most people at around 2ml to 3ml per day.
Since the juice strength is mg/ml a juice that is 24mg strength will provide 72mg for a person using 3ml per day.

Now here is the part that people who are worried don't know... we do not absorb all of that nicotine from vaping.

Some studies have shown that we get around 10% of the nicotine from vaping.
Others see flaws in those studies, have done their own testing, and feel we get more like 40% of the nicotine from vaping.

So if using 3ml per day of 24mg strength liquid, you would get anywhere from 7.2mg to 28.8mg of nicotine.
And that would equal about 7 to 28 cigarettes, depending on what cigarettes we are talking about, and how much we really absorb.

 

[DC2]

The first post in this thread is what got me to thinking and wondering...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nverting-e-cigs-regards-nicotine-content.html

The first post in that thread is completely messed up.
You'd have to read the rest of the thread when the people that know what they are talking about start talking.


That thread is really a terrible thread the way it starts out.
I'm hoping it gets buried forever.

And many of the first few replies were thinking it should be stickied!

 

[Rosa]

My thoughts on nicotine are that it might be better to get some than not to get some.
And for that reason, I am using 12mg strength now, and have no intention of going any lower.

Nicotine is generally recognized as being no worse for you than caffeine.

I'm not saying it is wonderful and fabulous, but you should check out this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...otine-helps-memory-alzheimers-parkinsons.html

The thread linked above discusses many other possible benefits of nicotine as well.

Nicotine can also benefit people with MS btw.

 

[Rosa]

All I know for sure is this:

I know if something I drink has alcohol in it because I get drunk when I drink it - I don't need to see the label to find that out.

Same with e-cigs, I can feel the nicotine in them, I can feel if I've had enough or if I've had too much. Basically, I know when to stop vaping and I know when to stop drinking - I don't need to do the math to figure it out.

So, based on my senses and my physical reaction to the e-cig I can definitively say that (used moderately: 18-24mg @ 2-3mL per day) it definitely does not supply me with more nicotine than smoking (camel filters 3/4 pack per day).

 

[Soulflower]

Nicotine can also benefit people with MS btw.

I have MS and was going to bring up the topic asking if there is anyone else here with MS. A study a few years back showed that Nicotine and of course ......... are good for MS. Some of my friends swear by it although I do not smoke it.

 

[tresrottn]

Nicotine *is* a poison. It's used in insecticides. It's also been around for centuries. In plants.
That said, the amount we are getting is not a lethal dose. This doesn't excuse not being careful when you are handling the super high strength mixer (48mg/ml and up) Nor would I think any of us could take a swig of our nic juice (that stuff's nasty!)

I feel strongly that we are getting less nicotine with vaping simply because of Big Tobacco's scientists spending years and millions of dollars researching on chemical combinations that make us more receptive to nicotine addiction as well as making it a more addictive substance. It's either that, or vaping without all those chemicals, maybe it's NOT as addictive as it is thought to be. I seem to have zero problem with moving down on my strength, and I see how tons of people around here are vaping what could be considered a MUCH lower dose than would be considered lower than the lowest super duper uber ultra lights ciggies.

The symptoms of nicotine poisoning/OD are not quiet, you WILL notice something is wrong. IF the headache doesn't wake you up, the racing heart will!

 

[Rosa]

I have MS and was going to bring up the topic asking if there is anyone else here with MS. A study a few years back showed that Nicotine and of course ......... are good for MS. Some of my friends swear by it although I do not smoke it.

My best friend has MS. I just recently read that nicotine can help with some of the symptoms. I think it's because it's a stimulant and (as I'm sure you know) people with MS can become quite exhausted some days/times/situations. That's the only explanation I can come up with, but I'm not a scientist.

 

[DC2]

Nicotine can also benefit people with MS btw.

And also ulcerative colitis, which I noticed was not listed in that thread I linked to.