Question for mixing by weight
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This thread took all of my preconceived notions about, well, everything having to do with anything, turned them upside down, bent them over backwards, hung them from a telephone wire and brought them into a new state of consciousness...
A great discussion mates. I just mixed my second eliquid by weight. I am never ever going back and if it weren't for this thread I wouldn't have tried it.
A great discussion mates. I just mixed my second eliquid by weight. I am never ever going back and if it weren't for this thread I wouldn't have tried it.
Ok, the American Weight Scale (500gr x 0.01gr) is coming sometime before next weekend, also 100 disposable pipettes ($3,70) since wizard lab's flavorings come in vials without droppers.
My OCD already kicked in so I found and downloaded the MSDS of the flavoring companies I like (TFA, FA, FW, CAP) with the idea of using the exact SG of each concentrated. Which arise another good question for you guys: plenty of e-liquid calculators around the net, which one do you recommend??
My OCD already kicked in so I found and downloaded the MSDS of the flavoring companies I like (TFA, FA, FW, CAP) with the idea of using the exact SG of each concentrated. Which arise another good question for you guys: plenty of e-liquid calculators around the net, which one do you recommend??
I've stuck with ejuice me up, since that's what I'm familiar with.
I use the built in one from e-liquid recipes dot com since I use the recipe's there or import my own to save on my own personal page there, it's really convenient having them all on one page.
JuiceCalculator is the one I would recommend. It has more features than any other that I have tested and the developer is very very active in his thread.
I use a post-it note and a ballpoint pen. Sometimes the calculator app on my smartphone, if the numbers aren't nice and round.
Every time this topic comes up, I post my opinions, wait for the inevitable person to comment how wrong it is to mix by weight, explain why it is better and then get told again that it is still not a good way. But almost always, some one else looks at it and a light bulb goes off. Very slowly the weigh way is gaining momentum.
"I remember when we use to mix with syringes, it was so messy and........."
I actually used to have an abacus, but I never learned how to use it.
What happens with this topic, and with life in general, is that you start doing/learning something. You master it or feel comfortable enough with the way you do it. Someone shows up and says: "this way is more accurate/better/easier". Suddenly, their world falls apart and start looking for any reason so they don't have to change. Change is bad.
Time goes by, proud keeps them in the dark but the doubt is already there. Then, one day, quietly they try and discover change wasn't that hard.
That's what I heard,anyway. Not my experience.
Right there with ya Sloth... just got my scale today, and threw together a few 5mL testers, and it couldn't have been easier. Way better than the syringes, IMO. Welcome back to the world of flavor!
And another convert heard from 
I was amazed how much easier, and faster it was when I first started, and I had kept putting off trying.
I was amazed how much easier, and faster it was when I first started, and I had kept putting off trying.
I put it off for a while too, but that's because my first 2 attempts at DIY failed miserably. I wanted to make sure this time that I could make something I'd want to vape, so I held off buying anything extra.And another convert heard from
For me, the scale already has made it so much easier, and because of that, it's something I want to do, rather than feeling like a chore.
Thank you my friend
glad you're digging the scale method too. Last night I topped off my INW Dark for Pipe and, uh oh, finished it! No prob--scale, drip drip drip--done. Another 20ml tester. Maybe this one will steep...
LOL
Hello old thread 
So I have a question. I decided to mix up a nic base with 10%PG 90%VG so that I can just add flavorings to it, not caring what nic level it ends up at. I like to hang between 10-20% PG, so the idea is, most of the time I can just mix base with flavorings, and perhaps sometimes add a little VG.
I was using 36mg/ml 100%PG nicotine (I don't like dealing with higher strength, I know most prefer 100mg, I just don't like having it around) so I ended up with a 3.6mg nic base at 90/10 VG/PG.
That all went fine and dandy, mixed up a bunch. Great base IMO. But my problem is that my calculator (I use the .................... calculator) will not acknowledge a 3.6mg nic base when creating new recipes.
There's two problems actually. One is that with this calculator I either must enter a target nic strength or it will not even factor in the nic base, only PG and VG. In other words say I want to mix 20ml of juice and the only flavor is Dark for Pipe 3%. This means my VG/PG ratio will be 87/13 because my nic base has 10%PG and I am using 3% flavoring suspended in PG. Again, I don't care what the nic is at the end. It will be between 3mg and 3.6mg which is where I like it beyond that I don't care. But in this scenario if I do not enter a target nic strength, my recipe will not include the nicbase I am using. It will give me PG and VG measurements only.
So I end up fiddling with the numbers until it is perfect. This means putting in nic strength of like 3.545, 3.546 etc until it evens out. While doing this I have my nic base set, of course, at 90/10 VG/PG and 3.6 mg nicotine.
So I can get it to even out and give me the info I am looking for. It takes a while of random plugging in numbers in the decimals. Now I go to save my recipe but once saved, it changes because it will not really recognize the 3.6mg base so it bumps that up to 4mg, and adds VG or PG into the recipe which shouldn't be there.
Sorry this is so confusing. My question is how would you deal with this. Would you just leave the target nic strength blank, then add the PG and VG measurements together and use that percentage and weight for your base? I did some math and it doesn't come out the exact same weight, I guess because ELR is factoring a slightly different weight for the base when nic is in it. But it was only off a few decimal points if I did my math right.
Most people seem to use a downloadable calculator but I haven't because I either use a work computer or my cell phone for recipes. Not sure if that would negate this problem though...
So I have a question. I decided to mix up a nic base with 10%PG 90%VG so that I can just add flavorings to it, not caring what nic level it ends up at. I like to hang between 10-20% PG, so the idea is, most of the time I can just mix base with flavorings, and perhaps sometimes add a little VG.
I was using 36mg/ml 100%PG nicotine (I don't like dealing with higher strength, I know most prefer 100mg, I just don't like having it around) so I ended up with a 3.6mg nic base at 90/10 VG/PG.
That all went fine and dandy, mixed up a bunch. Great base IMO. But my problem is that my calculator (I use the .................... calculator) will not acknowledge a 3.6mg nic base when creating new recipes.
There's two problems actually. One is that with this calculator I either must enter a target nic strength or it will not even factor in the nic base, only PG and VG. In other words say I want to mix 20ml of juice and the only flavor is Dark for Pipe 3%. This means my VG/PG ratio will be 87/13 because my nic base has 10%PG and I am using 3% flavoring suspended in PG. Again, I don't care what the nic is at the end. It will be between 3mg and 3.6mg which is where I like it beyond that I don't care. But in this scenario if I do not enter a target nic strength, my recipe will not include the nicbase I am using. It will give me PG and VG measurements only.
So I end up fiddling with the numbers until it is perfect. This means putting in nic strength of like 3.545, 3.546 etc until it evens out. While doing this I have my nic base set, of course, at 90/10 VG/PG and 3.6 mg nicotine.
So I can get it to even out and give me the info I am looking for. It takes a while of random plugging in numbers in the decimals. Now I go to save my recipe but once saved, it changes because it will not really recognize the 3.6mg base so it bumps that up to 4mg, and adds VG or PG into the recipe which shouldn't be there.
Sorry this is so confusing. My question is how would you deal with this. Would you just leave the target nic strength blank, then add the PG and VG measurements together and use that percentage and weight for your base? I did some math and it doesn't come out the exact same weight, I guess because ELR is factoring a slightly different weight for the base when nic is in it. But it was only off a few decimal points if I did my math right.
Most people seem to use a downloadable calculator but I haven't because I either use a work computer or my cell phone for recipes. Not sure if that would negate this problem though...
Just tell it 0mg base and 0mg target. Since you don't care. Will it accept that? Or will it just tell you to use 0ml of that and give you amounts of PG and VG to add?
EDIT: Since you're not shooting for any particular target, it might be best to simplify. Tell it your target is 0mg, 100%PG (and if it asks, tell it your flavorings are 100% PG as well). Then it will give you a recipe with only PG and flavorings. Use your premade nic base as the "PG" value, and add the flavorings in the appropriate amount.
...oh, I sort of forgot what thread this was, though. This will work for measuring amounts in ml, but since we're mixing by weight, you will need to convert it to grams by hand, since the weight per ml given for PG in the calculator will not match that of your mostly-VG nic base.
(.9 * 1.036) + (.064 * 1.261) + (.036 * 1.01) = 1.076734 g/ml
...scratch that...had my PG/VG values mixed up, and my nic math was off by a factor of ten (this is why you check your work)...
90%VG, 9.64%PG and .36%nic:
(.9 * 1.261) + (.0964 * 1.036) + (.0036 * 1.01) = 1.2384064 g/ml
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