@dr g:
Thank you for your input.
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tl;dr:
Scroll down to the link, read it and see for yourself just whom we are up against in Europe, and whose interests those people represent
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If somebody else wants to "represent the European vapers" and wants to beg those little mice - or especially the little backstabbers - to help the vapers in Europe (or anybody else, for that matter), then they are welcome to it. It will be to no avail, of course, but they are welcome to waste their time talking to such people. And getting sneered at. - Thank you but no thank you.
- By the "little mice", I mean those who continue to squeak "mimimi, just hide in your little hole and people will not ban vaping, mimimi". I do NOT mean those who are not active. Those who are not active can become active once they learn more.
I mean those who are
opposed to any activity, because "mimimi.." see above. -
We European vapers are mostly in the EU section at the moment, you are welcome to visit us.
I may seem a little extreme at the moment.
That is what happens to an un-political private citizen who is suddenly faced with corruption and maneuvering by a handful of un-elected bureaucrats who have total disregard for the citizens whom they are supposed to represent.
In the
US, bans are instituted on
where to use the e-cigs at the moment.
In the
EU, the Commission is planning a total
ban on the availability of any e-cig device and liquid except for those silly cigalikes which are made by Big Tobacco. With a top limit on nicotine, to ensure that those overpriced throwaway Big Tobacco-made thingies will not work to get / keep anybody away from analogs.
That means: buy your stuff on the Black Market or go back to tobacco. Disease and possible death included.
The proposed ban also includes a ban on Freedom of Expression and a ban of assembly. For all vaping related matters, for all private citizens in the entire EU. Overriding the constitutional rights of citizens of sovereign, democratic countries. In a product (!) directive made by un-elected bureaucrats in some office building in Brussels.
Yes, when a person has been faced with that kind of maneuvering - since summer of this year -, when one has been fighting that nonsense every step of the way, when one has written approx 300 e-mail messages to MEP's (Members of the European Parliament) within a few months (with content, of course, not just blabla), when one sees the arrogance of those un-elected bureaucrats, when one has only a few MEP's fighting for the health of the people, while some others give press conferences filled with clear lies - that does tend to make one.. shall I say.. a little aggressive.
And I'll tell you something about the European vapers:
IF - and I say IF - we had been little mice, hiding in our little holes, sitting on our little behinds - then we would have lost on 8 October 2013 already. As it is, we won on 8 October 2013. But as corruption and greed did not agree to let us vape instead of smoking tobacco, our fight goes on.
This is war.
And people have no time for niceties in a war.
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For some comic relief and some information: THIS is the European Commission, and THIS is how it operates - and for WHOSE interests:
EU drops olive oil jug ban after public outcry - Telegraph
They lost once. They will lose again. Due to the activity of the people. Who have no desire to be allegedly "protected for their own good"
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I don't think new vapers are worried about the political side of vaping yet. They are still trying to get away from analogs and find the right device and liquid to keep them away from analogs. Once they find their vape nirvana, then they start hearing about the government, landlord, employer, school & third cousins twice removed who what to "regulate" or outright ban their magical new device.
They have banned smoking at many outdoor places and gotten away with it. Now they are starting on people's private homes. Apartments & especially condos are private homes. I refuse to go out with the smokers and there is no way in HE-double hockey sticks that someone is going to tell me that I can't vape in my own apartment, condo or house. That's where the "I won't vape any place I'm not allowed to smoke" argument is going to end. When one of those people moves into or just happens to visit one of those newly banned places. That retirement center you put Aunt Mary in just instituted a no-smoking anywhere on their premises policy. Buying Aunt Mary vape gear isn't going to help because she will have to use her walker to go 3 blocks to vape because you don't believe she should vape where smoking is banned. Oh, and Aunt Mary is in Minnesota!
very well said indeed
