Questions, help me "get it".... Wire, ribbon wire, ohms, volts, watts number of wraps and how it all related to vapor production???

[Jethead]

So....I have a Zenesis ASH II (18650 fully charged AW battery) with a ceramic wick and a 4 wrap (32 gauge Kanthal wire), I'm vaping Max VG and or max VG liquids.

Want more vapor. Not throat hit...I can feel the hit, there just isn't enough vapor and for goodness sake with 100% VG there should be LOADS of vapor.

So if I understand correctly lowering the number of wraps on the wick lowers the resistance meaning the Zen will dump more voltage or watts into the coil and by default vaporize more juice....

Correct?

Let's start there, your response will no doubt bring more questions.

Because, I'm seriously considering just selling the Zenesis and buying a Provari with a Z-Atty Pro and going VV.... Or I guess I could Kick the Zenesis and then it doesnt really matter what gauge wire or how many wraps as much.....

HELP!!!

 

[imrdy85]

do you already have a wide open draw on the atty? i remember hearing most of the Zen attys have a loose draw. it should help get air to the coil and smooth out or eliminate the throat hit.

Lowering the resistance will require more power with every button press.
Genesis style attys work real well with lower resistance as long as a quality battery is supplying the power.
If you wrap higher resistance and use a variable mod you can come close, the coils just dont respond as quick

Depending on the thickness of your ceramic wick, 4 wraps of 32g kanthal could be anywhere from 2.0-3.0ohms. Best to check with a multi meter if available.

total power is (voltage x voltage)/Resistance. A fresh battery with a 2.0ohm coil will still put out 8.8watts. but a 1.0 ohm will put out 17.6 watts. currently i dont know of any production variable devices that will fire a 1.0 coil other than a DNA20 powered mod

 

[jangeisler]

If you get watts enough by using the posted calc method, maybe your mesh doesnt wick well, or your coil is too tight or loose?

Try vaping with the mod vertically vs horizontally to see..

 

[Soundhunter]

Not really up on the Zen Ash but I do have and enjoy the ZAP/Provari "Hybrid" and several mechs... 4 wraps with 32 gauge Kanthal normally gets me over the 2.0 ohm range .. That's a bit high for a mech in my opinion. I think they start to shine at 1.2 ohms and heading south...for me anyway

The ZAP is a different animal altogether for me - More like my sophisticated pipe.. I can take the "slower" pace (because the coil heating slower at the higher ohms) of the draw because it is soo open and enjoyable and lends itself to deeper more "chest" like vape..

Don't know where the Ash would fit into that but I would bet you get more vapor with 28 gauge or .8 ribbon wire

Edit: 4 wraps may not always get me over two ohms but certainly up into the 1.6 - 1.8 range which I still think is high for a mech

 

[Rule62]

I agree with the poster above. I don't have a Zenesis, but I do have a couple ZAPs. The ZAP comes with a pre-installed thin wick and 2.0 ohm coil. This set up works very well on a Provari. However, IMO, this set up wouldn't be optimal on a mechanical device, such as a Zenesis. I wouldn't even consider building a coil with that high resistance on a mechanical, Zenesis or otherwise. Mechanicals don't begin to come into their own until you get the resistance down around 1.0 ohms. I build mine around .8 or .9. In order to do this, the gauge of the wire needs to be changed. 32ga is too thin. I think you'll get much better results with 28ga. I can't advise as to how many wraps, without knowing the diameter of the wick. But, just as an example, with a 1/8" dia. wick, a 4/3 wrap with 28ga is about right.

 

[Jethead]

So thicker wire or ribbon, less coils.....

I was looking on Kidneypuncher and they have good pricing on ribbon, mesh and wire. Really interested in trying ribbon!

Currently 1/8" ceramic wick 4 wraps, takes a while to heat up the wick, little vapor.....

Thanks for the insight! It's really helping!

Amazed at how little I understand....

 

[Rule62]

The thicker the wire, the lower the resistance, per equal length. Also, the thicker the wire, the lower the gauge number. For example, 30ga is lower resistance than 32ga. 28ga is lower resistance than 30ga, etc. But, bear in mind, the total resistance of your coil depends on the amount of wire used, between the + and - connections, also. Whatever gauge wire you use, the longer it is, the higher the resistance will be. That's why, if you made, say, 4 wraps around a 1/8" diameter wick, with 30ga wire; and made 4 wraps around a 3/32" diameter wick, with 30ga wire, the resistance of the coil on the 1/8" diameter wick would be greater. Why? Because it takes more wire to go around a 1/8" wick than a 3/32" wick.

 

[Jethead]

Yes sir, got it. Thank you.

 

[Uma]

My first thought was: ut oh, the airhole isn't lined up with the wick. Been there, done that...

 

[Jethead]

No sir, it's lined up fine.

Might try 2-3 drops of distilled water in the tank. I'm vaping Boba's in the Zen, does anyone else have problems with Boba's going through ceramic wicks?