Quick note

[OmahaVapor]

I'm one of those guys that can't make himself 'pull the trigger' on getting a GG, but also can't stop pausing at the window to stare at it. Go figure.

I was like that also when I first saw the GGTS. Thats alot of money to spend on a mod but always went to go look at it. I was finally convinced by a friend on here to buy one. I just got mine today and its worth every penny I paid. I also got the fuse kit and will get the magnetic switch and new AFS when they are not out of stock. It is the best mod I have ever owned and I have owned most of the popular mods out there at one time or another. I sold my other mods to buy my GGTS. The GGTS is perfect in every way IMO. Takes any type of battery, the button is phenomenal, and adding the fuse kit and magnetic switch just adds to how perfect it is. I will not use any other mod I think ever. Now I want to buy the other GG's.

 

[Lisaf01]

Sorry, what "way of thinking" do you mean? The "way of thinking" that says if you want to pick a fight, it's best to do it in the presence of those you wish to fight with? Or is it the "way of thinking" that to lurk in another forum in the hope of finding something-anything-juicy that you can use to stir the pot, is lame?

That way of thinking?

ah, I see you mistook my post of clarity for picking a fight.

And lets not forget that GG button. Good lord, just for the button alone it's worth it.

Fab posts zof, you had me laughing out loud big time with your first one.

By the way, have you got one of the new domed buttons and have you tried the button magnets? if you haven't, you've GOT to.

 

[Zofryer]

I was like that also when I first saw the GGTS. Thats alot of money to spend on a mod but always went to go look at it. I was finally convinced by a friend on here to buy one. I just got mine today and its worth every penny I paid. I also got the fuse kit and will get the magnetic switch and new AFS when they are not out of stock. It is the best mod I have ever owned and I have owned most of the popular mods out there at one time or another. I sold my other mods to buy my GGTS. The GGTS is perfect in every way IMO. Takes any type of battery, the button is phenomenal, and adding the fuse kit and magnetic switch just adds to how perfect it is. I will not use any other mod I think ever. Now I want to buy the other GG's.

Gah, ok so I might be back back. You guys just have some interesting discussion at the moment.

We can use my math from earlier if you want to drive it home.

Lets say you go cheap as possible with a tornego setup, as it is a viable contender to anything else offered right now.

2X bats: 50
charger: 6
2 atomizers: 15 (assuming you get raped, and you would)
2X cone: 20
_______________________
91 bucks


GGTS 200
2X 18350's 5
Charger 7
2 atomizers: 15
+
________________________
242 bucks

Harsh indictment right?


Cisco, very respected and reknown PV expert, just had his first tornego battery die after 4 months of what he characterized as typical use. Lets assume the 18350's only last that long also.


1 year tornego's, two in rotation: 200
1 year 18350, two in rotation: 20


So lets redo that math for a year of replacement.

8X bats: 200
charger: 6
2 atomizers: 15 (assuming you get raped, and you would)
2x cone: 10
+
_______________________
256 bucks


GGTS 200
8X 18350's 20
Charger 7
2 atomizers: 15
+
________________________
257 bucks


NOTE: the 18350's will work for about 4-5 hours longer over the tornego battery, so will probably last a lot longer also since they are being recharged less.

I'll spend the buck.

Hope This Helps.

 

[Lisaf01]

Nice comparison Zof - then of course there are all the other options you have with the GGTS as regards atomisers and batteries. It's a no brainer really.

P.S. I know you weren't intending to imply that those same two atties would be good for a year of constant use but some people might assume that you might have been. Let's hope those people don't buy any atties from me........

 

[anim8r]

Yup when you do the math it's pretty crazy to ramble on about "how expensive" the GG is.

It's even more nuts when you consider the same people whining probably spent around $200 a month on smokes (I spent $240 on just my habit, almost twice that for the wife and me). So imagine how lame I think it is to hear people whine about spending $200 on a masterfully engineered device that is basically 8 mods in one and can use 4 different atomizer types right out of the box (or velvet bag as the case may be lol).

And when you think about the people that sell their GG models for almost what the paid for them, you realize that at the worst, you're probably only going to be out $30 or so if you don't like it.


Compared to the upkeep required for several other brands of e-cigs and especially compared to smoking, GG's are an excellent value.

 

[Lisaf01]

yep, for sure anim8r the device has always sold itself on its features and quality and this isn't about to change any time soon.

 

[Zofryer]

yep, for sure anim8r the device has always sold itself on its features and quality and this isn't about to change any time soon.

This drives home an important point. If I had just kept my GGT, it would also have worked fine with 18350's. Some things are just well engineered. Let me tell you about my 24 year old car that is my daily driver.

Oh, you heard that right? Yes. I'm driving a 24 year old car. Ok, so who made it. Ford? Maybe. If it's an F150. It isn't. Ok Honda? Possible. But most of the 80's hondas have been "fast and furious'd" to death by now. Ok, chevy? hahahaha. Ok, one more hint. The car had 200,000 miles on it when I bought it, and it drove perfectly fine and was completely in tolerance on all measurements because the FIRST OWNER always took it to the dealership to get maintenance done. 200k miles. STILL certified by the manufacturer. 24 years old. The guy drove the same car for 24 years. In his words, "I'd probably just have kept it if it wasn't going to outlive me. I'm too old to drive now". A car that outlived its owner.

People don't love BMW's just because they are pretty. They are just very well made cars. Count the number of really old BMW's you see on the road. With the stock engine, with 200k miles, upgraded suspension, upgraded brakes, and a simple turbo kit, I'm embarassing mustang owners in my 24 year old car that cost me very little to upgrade.

Some things are just made very very well. You bulk at the initial sticker shock, but you didn't understand how long you'd be enjoying it.

 

[grimmer255]

now that is messed up... as a matter of fact i was reading an artical about how greece is doing very well because they went to the euro.... and because of this reason they cant print money....But thats a different story and is not the topic here, so i'll keep it short and simple. In other words due to the exchange rate Imeo cant help the prices. Compare to USD stuff over there cost more. In some other articals I've seen many folks over in europe are buying stuff here because to them its cheaper....

basically any labor costs and suplies Imeo needs will cost more over there than what it would here due to the exchange rate. thats why the gg costs more here. But if you look at Lisa's prices and your sallary was paid in Euros value than it look like a basic going price for mods here in the US... thats just the way it is...

 

[voltaire]

now that is messed up... as a matter of fact i was reading an artical about how greece is doing very well because they went to the euro

Are you kidding or were you by chance reading The Onion? Greece is not doing very good at all, and neither is the Euro. In fact, as was mentioned in the OP, the GG prices have dropped because the Euro has been dropping in relation to the dollar. Partly due to the financial crisis in Greece, there is even talk about the Euro countries fragmenting, though that's probably not likely.

But I'm not arguing the rest of your point or anything.

 

[grimmer255]

Are you kidding or were you by chance reading The Onion? Greece is not doing very good at all, and neither is the Euro. In fact, as was mentioned in the OP, the GG prices have dropped because the Euro has been dropping in relation to the dollar. Partly due to the financial crisis in Greece, there is even talk about the Euro countries fragmenting, though that's probably not likely.

But I'm not arguing the rest of your point or anything.

I said Greece is doing better since switching to the Euro.... please read greece's history..... yes the Euro is falling, but it will gain momentium again... And if you've been reading.... the global econemy is bad no matter where you look.

And if these countries do switch they would go into an even worse situation because the Euro is keeping there heads just above the water. And for the countries to start fragmenting man that will make hard situation turn even worse.... but thats just my opinion.

 

[voltaire]

I said Greece is doing better since switching to the Euro.... please read greece's history..... yes the Euro is falling, but it will gain momentium again... And if you've been reading.... the global econemy is bad no matter where you look.

Yes, the global economy has been bad, and has significantly recovered. But even during the worst of it you didn't see many countries get their debt cut to "junk" status like Greece's just did and Portugal's will probably soon be.

/hijack

 

[imeothanasis]

I saw a link to this in another forum and felt the need to clarify a few things as a person that nobody in their right mind could consider a relevant source of concentrated bias.

There was a day on these here forums when nobody in their right mind did NOT lust after the pristine sexy love that was the dual CR2 mod known as the GG Grant. For quite some time, it was not only THE king of the hill, the original design was so faithful to the kinds of tactile joys you can only get from those things immediately familiar that it's STILL a fantastic mod to showcase, and brag about, and still would constitute a crown jewel in someone's device collection. (inhaling air....)

That button. That button that stays the same in all the right ways through all the changes, but just keeps getting better. The unique placement of it that makes you feel like Ian Anderson playing some magical flute that gives you nicotine. I LOVE that button, as do the rest of you posting in here. And...

The Majesty that was the GGT. The mod I wish I'd never given away because it was timeless. Every friggin battery fit it. In nano it was one of the cutest things in all reality. Set up high volt, with that razor sensitive button, it wasn't the slimmest kid on the block, but it made up for it with supreme versatility.

So along comes the LR revolution. And it's here. And when I needed a great mod for 18650, the only thing available NOW was the GGTS. Thanks Vaporkings. And thanks for the fast shipping too. And whoever is responsible for the pristine condition it arrived in, polished mirror bright. And I mean, it's not like I put a note in there saying "Hey, this is Zofryer. I'm a pirate and stuff". I was just some guy. I got GGTS number 174, and it is brilliant. Let me tell you how brilliant.

I messed up. I accidentally ordered AW 18500's instead of 18650's. With any other mod I'd have been SCREWED. Any other mod for 18650 does not also do 18500. I quite dig 18500's. That got me trying out regular 18350's. So now I have an awesome looking 18350 mod. Definitely the sexiest one you can own. I get 12 hours out of it with a 901 LR atomizer. Hits awersome. Very tiny. Perfect button.

I LOVE dedicated mods. It's all about the battery if you think about it. So I start liking a type of battery, and I get a dedicated mod for it. I have my dedicated 18350 mod.

And this time, I'm not giving up my GG. I'm keeping this GGTS. If I had kept the GGT, I wouldn't have had to buy anything. The 18650 or 18500 would have worked. And when the universe changes again, and it's SQ34234 atomizers, and Lithium Pudding batteries (LiPd), I know my GGTS will work with them.

Simply put, Imeo makes great stuff. It's just not cheap in any sense of the word. Is it just a battery box? Sure. And a Ferrari is just a car. Faberge is just an egg. Mozart was just a piano player, and Divinci was a smartass.

/bows

Going back into the shadows now. Night.

If those are the things you are thinking into the shadows then we all have to come there sometime Zof.! Thanks a lot friend for your pm, it is one of the latest best descriptions about GGTS and me. It was about time to see you again here buddy

 

[imeothanasis]

Euro really destroy us guys and it did that to other countries too like Italy. The reason is that products went up to 3 times. This is not a fault of the goverment but our fault bec ause some people found the oportunity to steal the others. Some people follow the t5hiefs because they couldnt stay out of this bad profit so now situation is dificult. On the other hand, goverment made always mistakes because of 2 simple reasons:

1) They are thiefs
2) Their hands are tied because bigger countries do the managment here. Greek politicians are puppets.

The only period that Greece has the strongest economy (maybe the strongest in the world and drahnas were the strongest money in the world too), was when Papadopoulos (he was a caesar here) was in charge. Some people will argue but thats the truth. One of the reasons was that he didnt want to borrow money from anyone and he also gave to us the oportunity to make real business here.

p.s.....A caesarism have other bad things that maybe we have to have in mind but the truth about economy and about this specific caesar is this.

 

[blobe]

Disclaimer : i'm not anti GG, but i'm a devil advocate. (And yes i plan to buy a GGTS soon)

I was (against my better judgement) taking a look at some of the other forums again last night and I stumbled on some completely crap and false information regarding GG so I thought I would answer here so everyone can see.

Well, here, you basically answer to Imeo lovers, so nothing wrong can happen, would have been better to answer op concerns (even tho it might be trolling)

I know this guy is just one of the sheep, jumping on the anti-GG bandwagon, and I should ignore it, but sometimes I just feel I have to get the facts out, particularly when the statements are of this nature.

People who doesn't agree with you or "your version of the truth" are not automatically "sheeps" or in an extent ".......s". (Even tho they might be).

Allegation 1
A poster insinuated that the recent $ price drop on the GGTS was some sort of hook or false price fiddling to encourage sales.
I'd like to make it completely clear to everyone that the price drop was to do with the exchange rate fluctuations and nothing else!
No intrigue here, just Rob passing on his savings to the customer.

Well... i don't know any sales person who are passing their savings to their customer, and if so, they must not be very succesful in their business then. The essence of a sale person is to make money right ? If i he makes more he can make his front/back office better or stuff like this, now.. "passing savings" to customers.. I hardly believe it. (Even tho it might be the case!)

Allegation 2
The same poster hypothesized that the demand for GG has reduced. A conclusion drawn by said poster by using the highly scientific method of noting that they have seen GGs in stock more frequently recently. Sorry man, you couldn't be more wrong.... the increased availability is due to much greater quantities in production and better stock management than before, that's all. Demand is higher than it has ever been at any time since GGs first became available and continues to rise daily.

I plan on buying a GG since 3,4 months, and i don't see what you are talking about when you speak on "the increased availability". The fact that the gg brand is a rare, sexy piece of metal adds (imo) to the hype it generates. I know i'm falling for it (rare and sexy ? i must have it). Anyway that leads to...

Allegation 3
The same poster suggested that the GG business model was based on artificially limiting supply and an artificially increased price (like a drug dealer's "business model"). I strongly resent the inference here and I'd go so far as to say it might constitute libel.

Well, it could make sense to do that you know. Let say, if my product does cost me 80$ to produce, do i want to sell them "regulary" at 120$ or sell them by spurts at 199$ once in a blue moon.

Again, just teh devil advocate here, but i can understand frustration of certain people. And, yes, again, i'm going to "try" to buy a ggts and all the good stuff once it will be available. So no hard feelings at all

p.s please note that english is not my natural language, so if i sound harsh it's probably un-desired.

 

[Mist_Of_Joye]

I love this car and I'm searching for a 1989 635CSI to add to my collection that I started with her ancestor here.

After restoration I should have it look like this.

 

[Lisaf01]

Disclaimer : i'm not anti GG, but i'm a devil advocate. (And yes i plan to buy a GGTS soon)

Nice, I like a devil's advocate - blinkered hatred however, I have a problem with.

Well, here, you basically answer to Imeo lovers, so nothing wrong can happen, would have been better to answer op concerns (even tho it might be trolling)

I completely understand your point here. My intention in the original post was to let off steam whilst at the same time, posting correction information in the forum that all people would look to for up to date and factual GG information. I have been personally insulted on the other forum on too many occasions to go into now, but suffice it to say, I believe posting there would not have helped matters any more than posting the corrections here.

People who doesn't agree with you or "your version of the truth" are not automatically "sheeps" or in an extent ".......s". (Even tho they might be).

oh no, I wasn't calling anyone who didn't share my opinion a sheep, not at all. I was referring to the historic anti-GG feeling on that forum and the fact that people just join in the bashing like sheep.

Well... i don't know any sales person who are passing their savings to their customer, and if so, they must not be very succesful in their business then. The essence of a sale person is to make money right ? If i he makes more he can make his front/back office better or stuff like this, now.. "passing savings" to customers.. I hardly believe it. (Even tho it might be the case!)

Blobe - meet Rob from Vapor Kings - a man who passed his savings due to the exchange rate fluctuations to his customers.

I plan on buying a GG since 3,4 months, and i don't see what you are talking about when you speak on "the increased availability". The fact that the gg brand is a rare, sexy piece of metal adds (imo) to the hype it generates. I know i'm falling for it (rare and sexy ? i must have it). Anyway that leads to...

Trust me, the periods in stock this time around have been slightly longer than the periods in stock the last time around - if that makes sense.

Well, it could make sense to do that you know. Let say, if my product does cost me 80$ to produce, do i want to sell them "regulary" at 120$ or sell them by spurts at 199$ once in a blue moon.

ok, whilst it might make sense, it's not the case here at all. This is the reason to point this information out as I did originally and a reasoned debate such as this is more than welcome.

Again, just teh devil advocate here, but i can understand frustration of certain people. And, yes, again, i'm going to "try" to buy a ggts and all the good stuff once it will be available. So no hard feelings at all

p.s please note that english is not my natural language, so if i sound harsh it's probably un-desired.

I must say, you speak English far better than a lot of English people do.

 

[mre5674]

now that is messed up... as a matter of fact i was reading an artical about how greece is doing very well because they went to the euro.... and because of this reason they cant print money....But thats a different story and is not the topic here, so i'll keep it short and simple. In other words due to the exchange rate Imeo cant help the prices. Compare to USD stuff over there cost more. In some other articals I've seen many folks over in europe are buying stuff here because to them its cheaper....

basically any labor costs and suplies Imeo needs will cost more over there than what it would here due to the exchange rate. thats why the gg costs more here. But if you look at Lisa's prices and your sallary was paid in Euros value than it look like a basic going price for mods here in the US... thats just the way it is...

Well put Grimmer! When a company like Apple sells a product for $3000.00, it is sold for 3000.00 EU, etc., etc...The way of Imeo's business practice is MORE than fair. Most business is done this way...Go to Germany, and Mercedes are the national Taxi. When you make a superior product, it costs less in the country of origin. As for the yada yada cost issue that I am SO tired of hearing...Let the ignorants keep buying their less expensive devices, and find themselves replacing them time and time again. I had EVERY friggen Chinese model e.cig b4 I saw Iken's review of the Grant, and I NEVER went back! I now own two TS's and have sent 3 people to the World Of Imeo's Hand Made Creations. I was one who voted to keep the GG Franchise Boutique. This is the foundation of what makes the GG special...it is most definitely a modern art piece! Aside from the material aspect, there is NO other device in the world of e. cigs, that brings such AMAZING people together from all over the world. I travel frequently, and I am sure that whenever I go to a place I've not been b4, and a GG brother or sister is there...they will most graciously show me around. I've gotten to know Imeo over the past year and a half, and I can tell you that the love and passion put into ea. hand made piece is the foundation upon which everything will continually be supported. For people to comment on something they've NEVER held in their own two hands...well, there's a universal word for that and it is called IGNORANCE! It speaks VOLUMES when one of the first and best reviewers (Señor Scott) receives a TS for review, and the next day goes out and purchases one for himself!!! Anyone who raves about owning a piece of Imeo's creations, is not exhibiting "Fanboyism" by any means...They are merely feeling the positive energy and love (which is proven to retain in metals, gems etc.) that is sent with every single piece that leaves Imeo's hands This is what Imeo's grand master plan was to be...GG will find YOU...YOU will NOT find GG

Welcome to the family O.V., and glad you are as happy as I knew you would be!!!! (looking' forward to our chat)

Anyhow, that's enough out of me...MUCH LOVE TO MY GG FAMILY!!!!!

 

[Vaughanie]

Gentle ( but feisty when called for )

 

[portguy]

Why don't these *'?=#@ 's get a lige of their own? We love the GG. Period!

We have a saying in Portugal that goes like this "a donkey's voice does not reach heaven". So what if they bash Ferrari? I still think they ARE CARS. Too bad i can't afford one....

Now...i want a GG slim...let me check cloud9vaping

 

[imeothanasis]

Disclaimer : i'm not anti GG, but i'm a devil advocate. (And yes i plan to buy a GGTS soon)

Well, here, you basically answer to Imeo lovers, so nothing wrong can happen, would have been better to answer op concerns (even tho it might be trolling)


People who doesn't agree with you or "your version of the truth" are not automatically "sheeps" or in an extent ".......s". (Even tho they might be).

Well... i don't know any sales person who are passing their savings to their customer, and if so, they must not be very succesful in their business then. The essence of a sale person is to make money right ? If i he makes more he can make his front/back office better or stuff like this, now.. "passing savings" to customers.. I hardly believe it. (Even tho it might be the case!)


I plan on buying a GG since 3,4 months, and i don't see what you are talking about when you speak on "the increased availability". The fact that the gg brand is a rare, sexy piece of metal adds (imo) to the hype it generates. I know i'm falling for it (rare and sexy ? i must have it). Anyway that leads to...

Well, it could make sense to do that you know. Let say, if my product does cost me 80$ to produce, do i want to sell them "regulary" at 120$ or sell them by spurts at 199$ once in a blue moon.

Again, just teh devil advocate here, but i can understand frustration of certain people. And, yes, again, i'm going to "try" to buy a ggts and all the good stuff once it will be available. So no hard feelings at all

p.s please note that english is not my natural language, so if i sound harsh it's probably un-desired.

blobe, I never hurt anyone so Lisa is right. Anyone who is anti-GG is sheep for sure

You said that you dont know anyhone that pass his discounts to customers. Now you know one buddy. Its me!!!!

This man thought wrong about the availability and the price. He could ask first before making conclutions. I have already said that I made 300 GG on the latest batch so what is increased is the availability.

Thats all buddy, now you know the truth. But dont try to pass it to the other forum because you will be beatten for sure