Quitting???

[KODIAK (TM)]

I do Think its kinda weak that just because you dont agree with me nou start. Comparing me with some alcoholic you once met im addicted to nicotine aswell not trying to judge you or anything

Woah there Joe! Boy did I come across wrong. No insults intended I assure you. And no, I wasn't comparing *you* to an alcoholic. This topic only reminded me of it.

And yes, I agree with the gist of your post. We aren't quitting nicotine.

I hope things are cool my friend.

 

[cbrite]

I no longer smoke cigarettes and have told friends and family that I stopped smoking. They are happy and I am happy. Yes, I vape because I love the many, many flavors of e-juice. I started vaping a couple of months ago using 12 mg juice. One day, for no particular reason, I thought "Hmmmm..I am going to buy some 6 mg juice and see how that goes." I didn't notice one bit of difference in my physical needs/reactions on the lower nicotine. One of these days I will drop down again, and I suspect with the same result, and then I will hit zero nicotine. Am I addicted--to the act and the juice, maybe; but it sure doesn't seem to me that there is some huge physical addiction to nicotine going on if I don't even notice when I drop down.

When I smoked, I liked all the "stuff" that went with smoking--opening a pack, pulling out a cig, playing with the fire (lighter or matches), and the hand to mouth business. I didn't like the actual smoking part all that much--stunk, dirty, burned up if you set it down for too long, etc., but my body wouldn't let me stop. Now that I vape, I have most of the fun parts, just in a different way (filling cartridges, charging batteries, etc.) and the wonderful tastes that go with vaping. I could care if I ever see a vapor cloud, although maybe I'd miss them; I don't know.

So bottom line, I am probably just as "addicted" to the act of smoking as I ever was, only now I do all those things as a vaper. But I am no where near addicted to vaping physically as I was to all that crap they load into cigs.

 

[joelv]

I think a better way to put it is trading one for another.

I in no way see the two as being the same regardless of the fact that they both contain nicotine.

Thats basically what i was saying in the first post

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[joelv]

Woah there Joe! Boy did I come across wrong. No insults intended I assure you. And no, I wasn't comparing *you* to an alcoholic. This topic only reminded me of it.

And yes, I agree with the gist of your post. We aren't quitting nicotine.

I hope things are cool my friend.

I interpreted (hope thats correct lol) that wrong i apoligize im definitly cool haha

 

[30+Years]

Thats basically what i was saying in the first post

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Except for this "everyone is saying they quit" part.

I did "quit" smoking.

 

[joelv]

I no longer smoke cigarettes and have told friends and family that I stopped smoking. They are happy and I am happy. Yes, I vape because I love the many, many flavors of e-juice. I started vaping a couple of months ago using 12 mg juice. One day, for no particular reason, I thought "Hmmmm..I am going to buy some 6 mg juice and see how that goes." I didn't notice one bit of difference in my physical needs/reactions on the lower nicotine. One of these days I will drop down again, and I suspect with the same result, and then I will hit zero nicotine. Am I addicted--to the act and the juice, maybe; but it sure doesn't seem to me that there is some huge physical addiction to nicotine going on if I don't even notice when I drop down.

When I smoked, I liked all the "stuff" that went with smoking--opening a pack, pulling out a cig, playing with the fire (lighter or matches), and the hand to mouth business. I didn't like the actual smoking part all that much--stunk, dirty, burned up if you set it down for too long, etc., but my body wouldn't let me stop. Now that I vape, I have most of the fun parts, just in a different way (filling cartridges, charging batteries, etc.) and the wonderful tastes that go with vaping. I could care if I ever see a vapor cloud, although maybe I'd miss them; I don't know.

So bottom line, I am probably just as "addicted" to the act of smoking as I ever was, only now I do all those things as a vaper. But I am no where near addicted to vaping physically as I was to all that crap they load into cigs.

Fair enough same here miss my zippo though

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[joelv]

Except for this "everyone is saying they quit" part.

I did "quit" smoking.

Fair enough what i meant was more about. The addiction not perse the cigs

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[Myk]

Fine you quit smoking cigs
All im trying to say is that in my opinion you didnt got rid of the addiction if your still getting your nicotine fix
getting the feeling some people take this very personal

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Actually I did cut down on nicotine to 0mg and 5mg in the mornings for about 6 months until I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis.

Of course it's personal. You're making a judgment of other people without having all the facts. You have no idea whether they still use nicotine, you still judge. You do have an idea that vaping is not smoking yet you still judge.

 

[KenD]

I quit smoking and started vaping. If I would instead have dropped the cigarettes and picked up snus I still would have quit smoking. I'm down to 4-5mg liquids and I plan to go no lower than 3mg (nicotine does have its benefits after all), and have no plans quitting vaping.

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[joelv]

I quit smoking and started vaping. If I would instead have dropped the cigarettes and picked up snus I still would have quit smoking. I'm down to 4-5mg liquids and I plan to go no lower than 3mg (nicotine does have its benefits after all), and have no plans quitting vaping.

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Same here

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[MissBlue]

joel what you're saying is accurate but it is not the point.

The goal is not necessarily to "quit all habits" - the goal is to specifically, quit the SMOKING habit -- i.e. to stop inhaling burning tobacco and the hundreds of chemicals in cigarettes.

Eliminating 99% of the chemicals in cigarettes is EMINENTLY better for the health, even if one still uses a small amount of nicotine as they wean themself off the 'habit'. In my case, this has supported me to go all the way down to alternating between 3 mg and 0 mg nicotine - which is MUCH less than i was taking in by smoking. And for some people, they have no intention of completely stopping their nicotine intake - that's not their goal at all; as a small amount of it can be beneficial to brain function. So, by vaping, they are able to control and monitor their intake of just that - and take in just a little bit of nicotine by itself, without all the other chemicals.

What they don't want - and what they have quit - is their intake of all the OTHER chemicals, as well as inhaling the burning smoke. This is beneficial to our lungs, hearts, and other internal tissues - even if there is some nicotine intake.

As well, vaping also mimics the smoking behavior of having something in the hand, and something in the mouth to puff on- these are also very useful in helping someone to stop cigarettes, by mimicking the smoking "behavior", without the actual smoking.

All of this is helpful in putting down CIGARETTES, specifically. Because THAT is the goal..... not eliminating 'every' habit.

so yes, what you are saying is correct - you wanna 'be right'? ok, you're right, but so what? It's just pointless nitpicking.

 

[joelv]

Actually I did cut down on nicotine to 0mg and 5mg in the mornings for about 6 months until I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis.

Of course it's personal. You're making a judgment of other people without having all the facts. You have no idea whether they still use nicotine, you still judge. You do have an idea that vaping is not smoking yet you still judge.

i didnt judge anyone just gave my opinion and i was talking about the nicotine thing to someone
who just told me he vapes with nicotine

 

[twgbonehead]

Quitting what? Smoking, your job, your goals, <censored> in the shower?

I don't smoke any more. In fact, I smoke a hell of a lot less.

Nicotine is not the enemy, is not as addictive as has been said, and is something that helps me. Cigarettes, on the other hand, suck, ARE very addictive, and are very expensive. (Vaping is also very expensive if you do it like I do).

So what do you mean by "Quit"? And WHY is it important?????????

 

[twgbonehead]

joel what you're saying is accurate but it is not the point.

The goal is not necessarily to "quit all habits" - the goal is to specifically, quit the SMOKING habit -- i.e. to stop inhaling burning tobacco and the hundreds of chemicals in cigarettes.

Eliminating 99% of the chemicals in cigarettes is EMINENTLY better for the health, even if one still uses a small amount of nicotine as they wean themself off the 'habit'. In my case, this has supported me to go all the way down to alternating between 3 mg and 0 mg nicotine - which is MUCH less than i was taking in by smoking. And for some people, they have no intention of completely stopping their nicotine intake - that's not their goal at all; as a small amount of it can be beneficial to brain function. So, by vaping, they are able to control and monitor their intake of just that - and take in just a little bit of nicotine by itself, without all the other chemicals. What they don't want - and what they have quit - is their intake of all the OTHER chemicals, as well as inhaling the burning smoke.

As well, vaping also mimics the smoking behavior of having something in the hand, and something in the mouth to puff on- these are also very useful in helping someone to stop cigarettes, by mimicking the smoking "behavior", without the actual smoking.

All of this is helpful in putting down CIGARETTES, specifically. Because THAT is the goal..... not eliminating 'every' habit.

so yes, what you are saying is correct - but so what? It's just pointless nitpicking.

Yes!!!!!!!! (is that 10 chars yet?) Couldn't have said it better (although I tried......)

 

[joelv]

joel what you're saying is accurate but it is not the point.

The goal is not necessarily to "quit all habits" - the goal is to specifically, quit the SMOKING habit -- i.e. to stop inhaling burning tobacco and the hundreds of chemicals in cigarettes.

Eliminating 99% of the chemicals in cigarettes is EMINENTLY better for the health, even if one still uses a small amount of nicotine as they wean themself off the 'habit'. In my case, this has supported me to go all the way down to alternating between 3 mg and 0 mg nicotine - which is MUCH less than i was taking in by smoking. And for some people, they have no intention of completely stopping their nicotine intake - that's not their goal at all; as a small amount of it can be beneficial to brain function. So, by vaping, they are able to control and monitor their intake of just that - and take in just a little bit of nicotine by itself, without all the other chemicals. What they don't want - and what they have quit - is their intake of all the OTHER chemicals, as well as inhaling the burning smoke.

As well, vaping also mimics the smoking behavior of having something in the hand, and something in the mouth to puff on- these are also very useful in helping someone to stop cigarettes, by mimicking the smoking "behavior", without the actual smoking.

All of this is helpful in putting down CIGARETTES, specifically. Because THAT is the goal..... not eliminating 'every' habit.

so yes, what you are saying is correct - but so what? It's just pointless nitpicking.

i agree with that apparently i misinterpreted what people meant by it sorry about that
but i stand by my statement im not saying i quit in the way that im still getting my nicotine

 

[Myk]

i didnt judge anyone just gave my opinion and i was talking about the nicotine thing to someone
who just told me he vapes with nicotine

Your OP said nothing of nicotine. Ecigs mimic cigarettes is it really quitting.

Your answer is that it is quitting smoking. Period. End of story.

Had you wondered whether it was quitting nicotine that would depend on the individual. It was my intention and I put up a good fight in spite of my body saying otherwise.
For me, no. I'd rather use nicotine than go on drugs that can cause cancer or have surgery. Nicotine without smoke is not that dangerous and it's not that addictive.

 

[MissBlue]

well no shyte, me neither. I never said "I quit nicotine". What i said - and what i have done, is quit SMOKING.

you are 1- playing semantics
and 2- conflating two completely different things.

 

[twgbonehead]

i agree with that apparently i misinterpreted what people meant by it sorry about that
but i stand by my statement im not saying i quit in the way that im still getting my nicotine

You need to realize that YOU are defining "quit" as "Quitting nicotine".
That is in no way a universal standard.

If someone stops smoking cigarettes, but uses SNUS instead, did they "quit"?
If someone stops smoking cigarettes, but is on the patch did they "quit"?
If someone stops smoking cigarettes, takes Chantix, and commits suicide, did they "quit"? ("Yes" is only the answer if you're not serious about the question).

Answer these ones, and then re-ask whether we can say we've "quit". (Well, not me, though).

 

[joelv]

You need to realize that YOU are defining "quit" as "Quitting nicotine".
That is in no way a universal standard.

If someone stops smoking cigarettes, but uses SNUS instead, did they "quit"?
If someone stops smoking cigarettes, but is on the patch did they "quit"?
If someone stops smoking cigarettes, takes Chantix, and commits suicide, did they "quit"? ("Yes" is only the answer if you're not serious about the question).

Answer these ones, and then re-ask whether we can say we've "quit". (Well, not me, though).

i was not talking about you perse i was talking about many vapers i met so far
that just how i see it fine with me if you dont agree you have the right to your opinion
but so do i

 

[AndriaD]

It mostly definitely IS quitting the habit of smoking, which is what was killing me. Plain nicotine isn't going to hurt me any worse than caffeine does, maybe even less -- I have to be every bit as careful with caffeine as I do with nicotine, or I'm bouncing off the ceiling and my stomach hurts, pretty much exactly what nicotine does to me if I take too much.

But we don't need vapers saying "it's not really quitting", thank you very much; we get enough of that from the ANTZ, or people in our families or our friends. It *IS* really quitting -- CIGARETTES. There aren't thousands of carcinogenic chemicals in vaping, and THAT is what kills people, NOT the nicotine!!!

*steamed*
Andria