Ran into one today.

[Iffy]

Seriously, if ya don't have your vaping 'ducks' in a row to counter da 'opposition', just slink away and cower in da corner of your (or your parents') basement! That's where our vaping incoherent can do da most good/least damage.

No, logic doesn't always convince da doubters/clueless. But having BS 'excuses' with apologetic patter without supporting documentation is just wizzing in da 'vapor'!

BTW, while one is 'underground', redeem yourself and actively contact YOUR representatives and add your voice and tell your story!

Day-um, must be gettin' old and intolerant, like my passed parents (RIP). Kinda sad in that they didn't get to see my joy in my smokless redemption! Nonetheless, their willingness to stand up for their 'perceived rights' taught me a priceless life lesson and gave me a cherished sense of LMTFA!

Bottom line, take your (our) battle to da pile-o'-tics and ANTZ; not da ECF!

 

[Shootist]

Halo's definitely a good one to recommend, in my opinion. It's the brand that got me away from smoking for good. I'm sure that there are other brands that are just as good as Halo, or perhaps even better. But I know from experience the effectiveness of Halo's e-cigs.

Me also. I started with Blu and after a short while ordered the Halo. It was shortly after getting the Halo kit I stopped smoking analogs.

Other that Blu Halo was the only Cig-A-Like I tried. I now have other full mod, atomizers and the like but still use the Halo gear and their juice.

Thanks.

 

[Anjaffm]

The one I'm hearing a lot of is "You know the flavors have to go, that's marketing to children" I ask them to explain who bubble gum flavored condoms are marketing to, and that's usually the end of them saying dumb stuff.

bwaahaahaaa Good one!
Let me remember that

 

[Anjaffm]

EXACTLY!!!!

Way too many vapers are terrified of offending others, afraid of the slightest possibility of a negative response, and give way too much consideration to the smallest fraction of the population: ANTZ.

Over & over again, ad nauseum, the fear-mongering amongst our own community... "oh don't do that, that will just get more bans passed - that will make people hate us... on and on.

Read these threads and you'll find the less than positive to the out-right negative responses are RARE.

Even if you could possibly document 50 negative stories here, you'll find 1,000's and 1,000's of positives.

Do we let the smallest chance of negative silence us?

Shootist has the right idea: these situations / people are our prime opportunity for us to inform & educate and provide truth, facts & first-hand experience.

This is a war to protect smoking - and e-cigs are vapers are just the current battle-front for the politicians/BP/BT/tobacco control freaks/ANTZ/Nanny-Staters to focus on.

Seize every opportunity to be the source of facts, science & positive first-hand experience to fight back the propaganda & misinformation.


Join CASAA now and stay engaged

Reach out & communicate with everyone you can - especially the politicians:

CASAA's Third Call to Action Regarding FDA Proposed Regulations

Precisely! And thank you for putting it so well!

By the way, here is a nice story about my activities in this respect, just yesterday: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-i-dont-understand-people-3.html#post13437691

Yes, tell the truth to those who are interested, counter parroting and blathering (my favorite retort, with a smile, is "Yes, that is very harmful. To the tax coffers" ) and take the opportunity to educate others if they show an interest.

Slinking away in fear has never solved the problem of oppression. Not in a domestic context. And not in any other context either. Listen to the words. Again. And you will see what I mean:
Lyrics - Luka (Suzanne Vega) - YouTube

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[zanthious]

i just counter with if you know its soo bad then why do you do it, then shut down their entire argument with whatever you gotta lie about to help you sleep at night. *Shrug*

My favorite excuse thus far is if they quit smoking they are more likely to die then if they keep smoking.

People crack me up

 

[jpargana]

(...)

"One of the major challenges the researchers faced early on was finding a substance that could be mixed with the cyclosporine to enable patients to safely inhale the drug without irritating their throat or lungs. They decided to combine the cyclosporine with propylene glycol, which allowed the drug to be administered as an aerosol. Novartis Pharmaceuticals provided the cyclosporine powder, which was then compounded by the researchers."

Study shows inhaled medicine improves survival for lung transplant patients

So, there goes the "but you are *inhaling* the PG, THAT has to be bad" argument.

Well, not always unfortunately.

Recently I had this kind of conversation with someone. Pulled exactly that argument, saying that "If it is safe enought to be given to someone who just had a lung transplant, then it MUST be safe for an 'healthy' smoker too!"

His reaction:
"Not quite. One thing is having a treatment for a short while, another thing is sucking on those chemicals for years in a row. Our lungs were 'not made' (his words) to breathe those for that long."

My reaction:
"Well, they certainly were 'not made' to breathe SMOKE for years, either..."

 

[CKCalmer]

Our lungs were 'not made' (his words) to breathe those for that long."

I would say, "Our lungs weren't 'made' at all. They, like everything else in the human body, evolved over time to a continually changing environment and atmosphere. Breathing in e-vapor every day for years is safer than simply breathing the air in large cities for years. You're breathing in poison if you're within fifty feet of a running car, for instance. You're not breathing in any poison at all when you inhale e-vapor. Well, except the poison of the running car you're vaping next to."

 

[rurwin]

"Well, they certainly were 'not made' to breathe SMOKE for years, either..."

That isn't absolutely certain...
Not trying to make an argument here, certainly not one I would defend, just shooting the breeze...

The homo genus has had fire for probably over a million years. Over the vast majority of that time they were habitually sitting around a campfire for hours every day. That didn't really change until a few hundred years ago.

It is "known" that wood smoke is a carcinogen. A million years is plenty of time for significant evolutionary change. One might suspect that the human lung is now more capable of dealing with wood smoke than it used to be.

 

[Virtual Life]

If someone states that e-cigs are as bad or worse than smoking then they have already proven that they do not think for themselves. Therefore it is unlikely there is anything you can say that they are going to hear. Of course this is a generality, there are exceptions.

But in so many other aspects of life I find a lot of people who are stubborn, in denial, afraid of change, even just stupid. Facts are not as much fun for them as what they can make it look like! Why would vaping be any different?

Since only 20% of the population in the US are smokers then vapers are even less. We are a minority and most others just do not care if vaping is safe or not. They have their own problems. This will not stop them from spouting the junk they have heard. Most of the time they are not going to hear anything you have to say.

 

[Bunnykiller]

Smokers are quick to tell you how bad e-cigs are, but it's the first time in 25 years they have been told they have done anything right (by staying away from e-cigs)
The one I'm hearing a lot of is "You know the flavors have to go, that's marketing to children" I ask them to explain who bubble gum flavored condoms are marketing to, and that's usually the end of them saying dumb stuff.

and you can visit a large alcohol distributor and see they have more flavors of Vodka than we have flavor choices in juice

 

[-Redd-]

i just counter with if you know its soo bad then why do you do it, then shut down their entire argument with whatever you gotta lie about to help you sleep at night. *Shrug*

My favorite excuse thus far is if they quit smoking they are more likely to die then if they keep smoking.
People crack me up

I had someone say this to me just the other day and they really believed it! Some people are just too stupid for their own good.

 

[CabinetGuyScott]

...
Since only 20% of the population in the US are smokers then vapers are even less. We are a minority and most others just do not care if vaping is safe or not. They have their own problems. This will not stop them from spouting the junk they have heard. Most of the time they are not going to hear anything you have to say.

By the numbers, smokers & vapers are clearly a minority, but, the percentage of the population that has a vested interest in smoking is much much larger!

By vest interest, I mean those who have a loved one, family, friend, acquaintance who smokes, and would be directly or emotionally benefited if the smoker quit.

Even more if you include those who may have had someone in their personal history that was affected by smoking and they would have benefited if they had had an opportunity to quit.

That number crosses well into the land of majority.

That's why I like to re-frame the conversation to a basis of personal relevance , and starts to break down the ties to political correctness or the media propaganda talking-points.

Encourages people to challenge the information they absorb through the media.

 

[Joe Gordon]

I always in any conversation I get into about vaping suggest that they don't believe me, but go and do the research themselves, just dont believe all the nonsense be spouted out there go look with you own eyes

 

[CMD-Ky]

Next time, don't tell her what is in the vape. Ask her what is in the vape, you will see utter ignorance made instantly manifest. These people don't know, they don't think, they simple swallow whole and then regurgitate what they are told. Vaping is simply another manifestation of phenomenon. Take any popular "scientific" concept, ask about it but don't tell about it, ignorance flows. And it is disgusting.

 

[DaveP]

We all know that vaping is better for us than smoking. It may not be as safe as just inhaling plain old air, but it's far better than inhaling burning plant residue.

It bugs me when people comment that ecigs are worse than smoking, or they are just as bad, or they say "No one knows what's in those things". Excuse me, I've read several lab reports and I can tell you what's there. Sure, we don't know what long term inhalation of PG/VG and flavors will do, but there's virtually no carcinogenic component in ecig vapor.

I want to carry around a copy of the 5 year Drexel study that tested thousands of vapers and followed them through time. But, they wouldn't read it. It's easier to repeat what you hear on the news.

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

 

[Shootist]

Next time, don't tell her what is in the vape. Ask her what is in the vape, you will see utter ignorance made instantly manifest. These people don't know, they don't think, they simple swallow whole and then regurgitate what they are told. Vaping is simply another manifestation of phenomenon. Take any popular "scientific" concept, ask about it but don't tell about it, ignorance flows. And it is disgusting.

Well I disagree. Asking them what is in the liquid I am vaping does nothing to help them understand that vaping is much better than smoking cigarettes. Whether they know or don't know what is actually in it.

Once I ask and they don't really know and then I explain to them what really is in the liquid I am trying to show them Up.

Just because they don't know what is in it does not make them ignorant. I bet you don't know a lot about a lot of things. Does that make you ignorant (Def of Ignorant. "lacking knowledge" (?) or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.)

That is not a way to start a conversation, pointing out their shortcomings or unawareness, where you want to change someones perspective on a subject.

That just puts them on the Defensive.

 

[milescadre]

Eh a coworker is firmly set on believing that her e-cig caused a onset of pneumonia. PErsonally, I think she was chain vaping like a freight train, and the fact she tried it when it was new it probably was a 100% pg blend, plus the fact shes diabetic. Long story short I bet the blend didnt agree with her conditions and she agrivated it.

Now for me, I have had issues myself. Since sub ohming, I found it feels as if I have somethin in my throat, it hurts very little to take a deep breath and I'm coughing like crazy. Personally, I think I'm gettin too much juice in my lungs, so I either need to change technique (mouth hits and not lung hits) or bump the resistance up. But for the next few days, no vaping for me til it calms down (thankfully I dont smoke so I dont have a nicotine craving to sate ^^)

 

[DaveP]

Pg is a known irritant. VG causes a feeling of lung heaviness in many people. Vaping isn't 100% side effect free. Less is more for me and I try to control my vaping to remain just under the level that causes dryness or other maladies.

 

[rurwin]

I want to carry around a copy of the 5 year Drexel study that tested thousands of vapers and followed them through time. But, they wouldn't read it. It's easier to repeat what you hear on the news.

http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/media/files/publichealth/ms08.pdf

Are you saying that the paper you link to is a 5-year study of vapers? Because it isn't. It's a literature study on eliquid analysis. I would be very interested in a link to the 5-year study, if perchance there is one out there.

 

[FinchX]

First off, I have to agree with Shootist by HIGHLY disagreeing with Cave123. I would never talk religion to anyone under any circumstance (my views aren't anywhere near a norm and offend almost everyone). However I'm more than eager to discuss vaping with ANYONE. Simply put, the fewer people walking around smelling like ashtrays who I have to be around, the better.

It's a combination of misinformation AND misinterpreting in my personal opinion. At least in my area where intelligence is few and far between.

Example of what I mean by that: I've been vaping over 2 years, and most of the comments I got were questions. Curiosity about vaping, hey, great in my opinion. Suddenly one day, a customer approached me claiming "you know those are bad for you too" Never had this accusation before. That same day, 3 other people say basically the same thing. Finally one of them admits they read it in one of the local newspapers. I don't read local newspapers because the journalism is horrendous.

This however prompted that I pick up the paper, and I'll be d*mned, FRONT PAGE... Article titled "Electronic cigarettes are just as harmful." Couldn't believe it so I cringed and read the news piece. It shows the local intelligence level because the article itself had nothing but reports from POISON CONTROL, explaining how many more calls they had received in regards to ecigs. Here's the kicker.., if you read further, the story went on to explain that these calls were from users who had swallowed a load of liquid due to improper filling of their device, gotten liquid in their eyes or nose, or my personal favorite.., experienced skin reactions after spilling liquid on themselves.

Absolutely none of that has anything to do with actual vaping. It's ecig users who are either just getting the hang of working with liquid, or people who are apparently too incompetent to fill a carto tank or clearo.

Yet the narrow minded locals read the HEADLINE and assumed everything else, or didn't understand what was meant by the reports from poison control. Neither of which merited them the right to approach me as they did.

Fortunately, the locals have short attention spans and the harassment was over after only a week... except from my boss who never stopped making comments about my mods being used to smoke pot somehow despite what I told him. Yeah you can get liquid with a ... content in states like Colorado but I live in Texas .... That's a hell of a drive to be able to vape and get high from it.