Ranking common brands in order of vapor volume.

[vaporbird]

Joye 510
Joye 510-T
Joye eGo
Joye eGo-T
DSE 901
Provari with 510 Atty
BuzzPro with 510 Atty
BuzzPro with 901 Atty
IPro with 510 Atty
Ipro with with 901 Atty
Blu
Riva
Apollo Disposable
???


That is my obviously incomplete lists of various vaping systems. What I'd like to see are various folks' take on ranking them by the *volume of vapor* and no other criteria. I'm having a hard time telling if an 'upgrade' is worth it, and even what would constitute an upgrade. The only thread I could find on the subject was from 2009 and really outdated!

Here is my ranking of what I know:

LEAST VAPOR

Apollo Disposable
510-T Auto
510-T Manual

MOST VAPOR

 

[dormouse]

How can anyone compare? I don't anyone has tried all of those. I have never tried tanks - I sort of class them as a marketing breakthrough instead of a breakthrough in vaping.

Vapor volume and drag volume are two different things. Visible vapor is a factor of how much VG is in the liquid. But the most popular and consistent methods of vaping mostly need thin juices which means low VG. In slim ecig cartomizer I use PG w/ 20% or less VG. In addition, the amount of liquid vaporized per second is a factor - I can take my 3 ohm carto off the 510 (3.4v) and move it to a 3.7v big battery model or mod (not Ego since Ego is still 3.4v) and on 3.7v that carto will give a bigger drag (and therefore more vapor) and more heat/hit.

Also - auto batteries are no way to judge vapor. Manual batteries let you get the best drag out of an ecig.

For slim ecigs I think the SmokelessImage Volt kind of KR8 in MANUAL does pretty well vaporwise due to the 3.6v + the design of their cartos. Even better with a Vapor4Life manual (allows 10-13 second drags versus 5 second) used with a SmokelessImage or Bloogplanet carto (for the easier drag and less dense stuffing for more vapory drags) w/ 80PG/20VG juice (the most VG I will use in a slim ecig carto). BUT the amount of visible persistent vapor will not compare to what you could get dripping 100% VG on an atomizer.

901 also makes good vapor (though more airy than the above combo) as long as the atomizer is in top condition and then as soon as it isn't, it sucks IMO. And there are hardly any cartomizers for 901 - you'll end up using KR8 cartos anyway so you may as well have the manual 3.7v Vapor4Life batteries.

Provari - not even sure how you could rate that in vapor. It is a variable voltage battery and people put all different kinds of things on it. But I believe it refuses to use the 1.5ohm dual coil cartos which DO make a lot of vapor due to double coils.

My total guess for most vapor would be a 3.7v mod w/ something dual coil on it and it highest VG juice it can use. Total guess.

 

[vaporbird]

Thanks for the response ... by the way I've been meaning to ask you about something you mentioned on another thread: you said that the charger that comes with 510-T can't be used on 510 batteries? I have not found any of the dealers mentioning this. But, I find these things confusing, so go slow with me! I can't swap chargers, but it's OK to put a 510 atty on a 510-T battery, yes?

My 510-T kit came with ONLY VG liquid. It's called "VG Apple liquid. 5 ml - 0mg nicotine" I also bought a bottle of "unflavored VG" is that probably 100% VG? If so should I cut both of them with 30% PV since too much VG could cause problems?

Last question 901 and vapor for life are compatible, yes? VfL is just a branded version of 901, correct?

Thank you so much.

 

[kinabaloo]

@ Doormouse - not tried any commercial tanks (and some have problems) but the tank is as big an advance as the carto was from the cart - and for the same reason: better at keeping the coil fed. Do give it a go.

 

[ResDog70]

I would cut it with some PG, yes. VG isn't super impressive with a Tank system, so I make sure I'm at least 50/50.

The mix of choice for me when I use my 510-T is 70/30 PG/VG. Most vendors will elt you select the mix when you order.

VG can be too thick and clogging for the T systems. YMMV, but it was for me.

 

[kinabaloo]

In terms of the equipment it just depends on the battery - in fact the power in, which equates to the amount of liquid vaporised.

VG doesn't produce more vapor, but that vapor lingers longer so it can appear to be more.

Generally, the more alcohol and water in the liquid, the less vapor (more imortant than VG/PG ratio), though the humidty of the air is a factor too.

 

[swedishfish]

Thanks for the response ... by the way I've been meaning to ask you about something you mentioned on another thread: you said that the charger that comes with 510-T can't be used on 510 batteries? I have not found any of the dealers mentioning this. But, I find these things confusing, so go slow with me! I can't swap chargers, but it's OK to put a 510 atty on a 510-T battery, yes?

My 510-T kit came with ONLY VG liquid. It's called "VG Apple liquid. 5 ml - 0mg nicotine" I also bought a bottle of "unflavored VG" is that probably 100% VG? If so should I cut both of them with 30% PV since too much VG could cause problems?

Last question 901 and vapor for life are compatible, yes? VfL is just a branded version of 901, correct?

Thank you so much.

You can use the charger that came with your kit for any of the big, ego batteries. You can't use that charger for the 510 (mini) pvs. It's confusing.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

dormouse said:
"My total guess for most vapor would be a 3.7v mod w/ something dual coil on it and it highest VG juice it can use. Total guess."
She's absolutely right. Dual Coils on a 3.7 Batt on a Mod are out of this world. When I flip to a larger 5 or 6 volt batt it's actually too much vapor and kick. And I also agree manual batts are the only way to go.

 

[dormouse]

Real 510-T auto battery kits came with a charging cable that batteries incompatible with other 510 batteries and will hurt them. One guy melted two Egos. Somebody else did the same to some 510's. I noticed one smart vendor started to substitute a normal 510 cable in his 510-T kits. And some vendors roll their own 510-T kits and some some kits might have a normal charging cable. Atomizers and cartomizers don't care they work on 510 or 510-T with the caveat that only standard resistance stuff should be used on slim batteries.

They gave you 100% VG with tanks? You could try thinning it a bit. Buy some new juice if you want good flow, flavor and TH.

901 standard resistance atomizer can be used on KR808D-1 batteries. And if you get manual batteries you could use a drip tip. I do not know if KR808D-1 batteries are compatible with 901 chargers and I know they are not compatible with some 901 PCCs.

kinabaloo - I was referring to commercial tanks as in 510-T (which holds less than a cartomizer) and which I see as an improvement over cartridges (at the added cost of tank atomizers) but not really an improvement over cartomizers. I see no reason why I would want to have my flavors blend in an atomizer (that I also have to keep clean) after getting used to vaping cartos for my favorite flavors. And for the other flavors I vape occasionally I drip. I was not talking about the big carto tanks and juice feeders - those look awesome.

 

[kinabaloo]

kinabaloo - I was referring to commercial tanks as in 510-T (which holds less than a cartomizer) and which I see as an improvement over cartridges (at the added cost of tank atomizers) but not really an improvement over cartomizers. I see no reason why I would want to have my flavors blend in an atomizer (that I also have to keep clean) after getting used to vaping cartos for my favorite flavors. And for the other flavors I vape occasionally I drip. I was not talking about the big carto tanks and juice feeders - those look awesome.

Agreed; they're not really tanks at all. It's confusing !

 

[bnrkwest]

I agree with Dormouse. I can increase my vapor alot on my KR808D-1 by adding pure VG to the carto. I prefer a higher PG than VG tho as I like the "feel" of it better. I know some people love pure VG but it is too much vapor for me It hangs around like a thick cloud! ha ha But if you want tons of vapor just vape pure VG. bnrk

 

[kabonk]

I don't think there is any reason to put a lr atty on a vv mod it just unneassary strain on the battery. just my opinion though

 

[Michael Curry]

There are far, far too many other variables involved to make a ranking list like that. It could never be validated.

Provari - not even sure how you could rate that in vapor. It is a variable voltage battery and people put all different kinds of things on it. But I believe it refuses to use the 1.5ohm dual coil cartos which DO make a lot of vapor due to double coils.

Not sure why anybody would have told you that. I have a bunch of carto's in that range, and my Provari gets along with them just fine - up to 4.2 volts. After that, they exceed the allowable current drain and it shuts down till you lower the voltage.

My total guess for most vapor would be a 3.7v mod w/ something dual coil on it and it highest VG juice it can use. Total guess.

Dual Coil + VG is a sure winner for maximum vapor!