rcr123's protected

[Skrymr]

I read in a few posts that people using rcr123 protected batteries were having problem's with short battery life, and uneven draining of the batteries. I.E. one battery was 2.2v, and the other was 3.2 v when taken out of the mod. (not chuck specific). I would really like to try 6v. vaping on a chuck. I have one 6v. device and I am not really happy with it. Can some of you 6v. chuck vapers sound off about the battery life and any possible shortcomings of 6v. vaping? I don't want to invest in another mod if the batteries can't really keep up with my vaping habits.

Dan (current little chuck owner)

 

[Mr Sinister]

I am still waiting for my Chuck, but these are the batteries I got for 6v.

2 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh Rechargeable LiFePO4 Li-Ion Batteries with AC/DC Smart Charger

From what I read, the reason for uneven discharging is the PCB. These are LifePo4 so they don't have a PCB, and are also a different chemistry than the Li-ion so they won't blow your face off.

Again, I am still waiting on my Chuck so I haven't used them yet to be sure, just some info from what I've gathered.

 

[CatVTTV]

I bought the RCR 123A batteries some time ago. At first when charged, they didnt seem to give the power I was looking for. Then I read the instructions... typical, when it doesnt work, thats when we read the instructions....lol

These batteries require repeated charging in order to reach their full capacity. So charge, use, when running down after an hour or so, recharge, and so on.

Once this has been done about 6 times, with the vaping time increasing each time, you will find them good. And the guarantee promises that they will last for 3 years, well only time will tell on that one.

I bought the batteries to vape at 6v. Now everyone is different, some love 6v, others dont, I come into the latter group.

Im the kind of vaper who likes to take long deep draws... all day long....lol

So for me, 3.7 - 4.2v is enough, especially combined with a 18650 battery that lasts up to 3 days.

With most of the "Big Guns" you are offered the choice of 3.7v or 6v. As was the case with the GG I purchased, so nothing was lost by my decision to stick with the lower voltage.

I think, if someone is curious about it, the only answer is to try it and see for yourself, thats what I did, and many others no doubt have done the same thing.

 

[doots]

Like Mrsin said. I use the same battys. work great. never a problem!
dont hesitate to get them They are LIFEpo4's and safe. Be sure to get the charger for it too..

 

[6linkslam]

i have checked every battery that comes out of my chuck after it stops producing vapor and the bottom battery always has just a lil over 1 volt and the top battery always has over 3 volts. it doesnt matter if they are proteced or unprotected. 3.0 volt 3.6 volt or 3.7 volt. tenergy LiFeP04,ultrafire,uniquefire,trustfire. all the same result

 

[6linkslam]

2 RCR123A 3.0V 750mAh Rechargeable LiFePO4 Li-Ion Batteries with AC/DC Smart Charger
and are also a different chemistry than the Li-ion so they won't blow your face off.

i dont understand. you say these tenergy Li-Ion batteries are different than Li-Ion? are there 2 types of Li-Ion?

 

[steven.rn]

i dont understand. you say these tenergy Li-Ion batteries are different than Li-Ion? are there 2 types of Li-Ion?

Yep. The way I understand it, there are different chemistries- have some wiki:

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The LiFePO4 battery uses a lithium-ion-derived chemistry and shares many of its advantages and disadvantages with other lithium ion battery chemistries. The key advantages for LiFePO4 when compared with LiCoO2 are improved safety through higher resistance to thermal runaway, longer cycle and calendar life, higher current or peak-power rating, and use of iron and phosphate which have lower environmental impact than cobalt.

LFP batteries have some drawbacks:

1.The specific energy (energy/volume) of a new LFP battery is somewhat lower than that of a new LiCoO2 battery. Battery manufacturers across the world are currently working to find ways to maximize the energy storage performance and reduce size & weight.[6]
2.Brand new LFP's have been found to fail prematurely if they are "deep cycled" (discharged below 33% level) too early. A break-in period of 20 charging cycles is currently recommended by some distributors.[citation needed]
3.Rapid charging will shorten lithium-ion battery (including LFP) life-span when compared to traditional trickle charging.[citation needed]
4.Many brands of LFP's have a low discharge rate compared with Lead-Acid or LiCoO2. Since discharge rate is a percentage of battery capacity this can be overcome by using a larger battery (more Amp-Hours).
While LiFePO4 cells have lower voltage and energy density than normal, LiCoO2 Li-ion cells, this disadvantage is offset over time by the slower rate of capacity loss (aka greater calendar-life) of LiFePO4 when compared with other lithium-ion battery chemistries (such as LiCoO2 "cobalt" or LiMn2O4 "manganese spinel" based Lithium-ion polymer batteries or Lithium-ion batteries).[7][8] For example:

After one year of use, a LiFePO4 cell typically has approximately the same energy density as a normal, LiCoO2 Li-ion cell.
Beyond one year of use, a LiFePO4 cell is likely to have higher energy density than a normal, LiCoO2 Li-ion cell due to the differences in their respective calendar-lives.

**end wiki clip**

Still, I dunno if they drain unevenly like the others say they do. I'll see, they get here in a couple of days.

 

[6linkslam]

Yep like I said a few posts up. All of the different brands and voltages of batteries that I use drain uneven. Even the tenergy

 

[emsmom]

The only way around this uneven draining battery problem that I have heard, is to switch the position of the batteries after every 10 minute vape session. A royal PITA in my opinion. But it does work! So for those of you hooked on 6V, try switching the postion of your batteries on a regular basis and see just how much longer times you are getting! You will find that your batteries are draining more evenly by doing this.

 

[doots]

I get at least 4 hours out of a set of 123a's tenergy batts..
I never measure volage just use them and am happy with their performance.
LIFEPO4 are safe chemistry and they will not explode on you.
They dont cost much so Id suggest try them. I bet you will be happy..

 

[Scottes]

Switching the battery positions once a day would be better than never. Every 10 minutes sounds like a bit of overkill.

I've been using these Tenergy LiFePO4's in my Prodigy for almost 2 months now. I swap 2 sets every day, just because I want to not because I have to. I just want to make sure that I have a fresh set when I leave for work.

I've tested the voltage on these 4 or 5 times, just to see if they're getting different. Luckily they've never been different by more than 0.15 volts. And I don't swap positions, ever - though I should.

OK, just swapped them. And I'll do so every couple hours from now on. It's a good, safe habit.

 

[shivadance]

I've been using the Tenergy LiFePO4's on my Prodigy like Scottes except for almost 4 months and have the same results. I don't swap positions in the tube but do rotate through two pairs of batts every other day. I recharge at night whether they need it or not, just to ensure I have a fresh charge heading out to work. I just pulled mine out of the tube and measured 3.23 on each batt after most of a day of intermittent vaping.

I'll start checking occasionally now for uneven draining, especially if I drain them to the point of no vapor (but I rarely do that - only when I chain vape at night to early morning in front of the computer). But I've had no issues with the LiFePO4s yet.

Edit: Just got my Chuck so no experience with the batts and Chuck yet but plan to use the LiFePO4's with it.

 

[Skrymr]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate the info.

Now for a bit of an update. I had just about given up on 6v vaping because of the battery life(cr2's), and horrible flavor on a 510 atty. Then I got my adaptor and DSE801 atty. I kept using the batteries and the life increased as I used them more. And the 801 at 6v just plain rocks for me. When the money comes together for another one, I will definitely be getting a regular Chuck.

 

[Scottes]

If you're going to use a Chuck, I would strongly recommend the RCR123a 3v LiFePo4s from Tenergy. Two of them will fit in a Chuck and the battery is *much* safer than an unprotected CR2.

 

[Skrymr]

That is what I am planning Scottes, thanks. I'm very happy with my copper, but I want the safety of the lifePo4's.