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Couldn't agree more. I got rid of my veritas WAY before I even have it a fighting chance. I got ...... day one and sold it day two lol. I've regretted it ever since then. And this was when it first came out.

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See, I ended up loving mine on day one. Loved it even more two months later because I bought some garbage like the derringer and a few other "hype train" attys. Then I got my ology and due to it being so much easier to build and had more intense flavor I pretty much forgot about my veritas. And here I am almost a year later still fiddling with it and comparing to some other attys I love and I'm finding that nothing really seems to give you the full flavor profile of your juice like the veritas does. Some attys may have more intense flavor like the ology, snapdragon and the origen but when you vape the veritas right after, you notice some flavors you just didn't taste in the other attys.

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See, I ended up loving mine on day one. Loved it even more two months later because I bought some garbage like the derringer and a few other "hype train" attys. Then I got my ology and due to it being so much easier to build and had more intense flavor I pretty much forgot about my veritas. And here I am almost a year later still fiddling with it and comparing to some other attys I love and I'm finding that nothing really seems to give you the full flavor profile of your juice like the veritas does. Some attys may have more intense flavor like the ology, snapdragon and the origen but when you vape the veritas right after, you notice some flavors you just didn't taste in the other attys.

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Well in my defense this was way before I was ever really good at building coils, it was mainly my first high end rda and I never gave it a real fighting chance. I got frustrated easy and said screw it and sold it. Which really sucks cause the price never really dropped any and no one ever sells there's lol go figure. Which come to think I've built attys that were way harder in my opinion of course, the rem atty and low pro to name a few that come to mind that to me were a pain, but I still did it.

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Well in my defense this was way before I was ever really good at building coils, it was mainly my first high end rda and I never gave it a real fighting chance. I got frustrated easy and said screw it and sold it. Which really sucks cause the price never really dropped any and no one ever sells there's lol go figure. Which come to think I've built attys that were way harder in my opinion of course, the rem atty and low pro to name a few that come to mind that to me were a pain, but I still did it.

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I am a mix of you two. I got mine early (first couple weeks it was out) and was able to immediately get a great tasting build off of it (the "Faceless build"), but I really didn't know how to zero-in on a build--a special build--and really master it. So I could get a great build, but doing so ended up being wrought with more frustration than not, and that was no fun! I sold mine in July of last year after only having it for a couple months. As soon as I sold it I thought I would get another after the price dropped. Still waiting for a drop of, even, a dime! Crazy when you think about how this industry has turned as of this year. That atty is about is over a year and a half old and has not seen a reduction in price.
 
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I got really lucky then; I got my veritas for $90 at beyond vape manhattan. It was only one in stock and was the display model; fortunately it was in perfect condition so I bought it and haven't looked back.

On another note, has anyone else got their NarDA invoice yet?

I did and promptly paid up.
 

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I got really lucky then; I got my veritas for $90 at beyond vape manhattan. It was only one in stock and was the display model; fortunately it was in perfect condition so I bought it and haven't looked back.

On another note, has anyone else got their NarDA invoice yet?
Yeah I got mine like 2 or 3 hours after the list closed and paid right away.

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Well in my defense this was way before I was ever really good at building coils, it was mainly my first high end rda and I never gave it a real fighting chance. I got frustrated easy and said screw it and sold it. Which really sucks cause the price never really dropped any and no one ever sells there's lol go figure. Which come to think I've built attys that were way harder in my opinion of course, the rem atty and low pro to name a few that come to mind that to me were a pain, but I still did it.

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Yeah I got mine like 2 or 3 hours after the list closed and paid right away.

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I didn't get mine yet. I'll have message him.

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I am back to wanting the direct-to-coil, bottom-fed airflow (with a two-post deck).

Mr Mann, you prompted me to write my Nectar review. While technically this might be a RTA, there is little separating it from the RDAs other than a deck that covers the juice well. This is 22mm, two post, single coil, bottom air flow device with an single adjustable 2.5mm air inlet. Air flow is from the lower side to directly under the coil.

The chamber size is quite small; almost identical to the Stumpy. And indeed this thing is a FLAVOR MONSTER on par with Stumpy. In fact I find flavors slightly crisper likely owing to the bottom airflow. The deck cover has three holes, two to feed the wick through to the juice well and a third for filling. While some have complained about filling, I had zero issues and the fill hole is a perfect fit for standard glass droppers. I insert the dropper and fill until the juice is visible coming up through the wicks.

This is not a lung hitter but I found the draw quite satisfactory i.e. not strained. By point of comparison, I use two air holes on the Stumpy.

Additionally I need to note this is simply the easiest device build that I've ever encountered. I did multiple builds just to make sure I hadn't gotten lucky. With leads ending on opposing sides, a mandrel laid across the device puts the coil exactly at the right height for the screws and in exactly the right position. This is not happenstance -- this is a well designed piece of gear.

However, capacity on the Nectar Nano is too small for my purposes. Though you can drip 2-3 drops through the drip tip, generally you'll want to pull the chimney to fill. Believe stated capacity for the Nano is .7ml. I subsequently purchased a standard Nectar (5ml). This likewise delivered stellar flavor. However, as a flavor hopper, its capacity is higher than my period of interest for most flavor. I think the Nano Micro (1.5ml) capacity would be near perfect.

I believe the point of the deck cover is to prevent leaking and it does so admirably. I don't believe you could convert to squank but then, with capacity and minimal leakage, maybe you won't need to. The 510 pin retains the top and bottom with translucent "tank" compressed between without o-rings. The 510 is consequently not adjustable (though you may be able to back it with a small o-ring). The air hole enters the chamber dead center in the deck cover and is raised ~3-4 mm.

As point of reference my preferred build is NI200, 3.5mm dia., 10 to 12 wraps, spaced, which is .14 to .19 ohms with CC rayon wicks I run on a VF with max temp at 420F and typically from 7.5 to 11 watts. I make my own with 100% VG plus flavor and ~7% H2O. Other devices I have, use, and enjoy: Veritas, Magma, Cyclone, mini A-6, mini A-7, Kayun v4, The Erl, (and others I'm sure...)

Pros
-- Stellar flavor
-- Small chamber
-- Bottom air flow
-- Ease of build
-- Leaking comparable to side-air rather than bottom-air device (and minimal)

Cons
-- Nano capacity too small
-- Need to pull cap to fill (i.e. for more than 3-4 drips through the tip)
-- Cannot be adjusted to higher air flow (a la Stumpy)

Bottom line? If you like flavor and enjoy the Stumpy, this is certainly a device to consider. And at a low enough price, it's a no-brainer.
 
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Mr Mann, you prompted me to write my Nectar review. While technically this might be a RTA, there is little separating it from the RDAs other than a deck that covers the juice well. This is 22mm, two post, single coil, bottom air flow device with an single adjustable 2.5mm air inlet. Air flow is from the lower side to directly under the coil.

The chamber size is quite small; almost identical to the Stumpy. And indeed this thing is a FLAVOR MONSTER on par with Stumpy. In fact I find flavors slightly crisper likely owing to the bottom airflow. The deck cover has three holes, two to feed the wick through to the juice well and a third for filling. While some have complained about filling, I had zero issues and the fill hole is a perfect fit for standard glass droppers. I insert the dropper and fill until the juice is visible coming up through the wicks.

This is not a lung hitter but I found the draw quite satisfactory i.e. not strained. By point of comparison, I use two air holes on the Stumpy.

Additionally I need to note this is simply the easiest device build that I've ever encountered. I did multiple builds just to make sure I hadn't gotten lucky. With the leads ending on opposing sides, a mandrel laid across the device puts the coil exactly at the right high for the screws and leads are in exactly the right position. This is not happenstance -- this is a well designed piece of gear.

However, capacity on the Nectar Nano is too small for my purposes. Though you can drip 2-3 drops through the drip tip, generally you'll want to pull the chimney to fill. Believe stated capacity for the Nano is .7ml. I subsequently purchased a standard Nectar (5ml). This likewise delivered stellar flavor. However, as a flavor hopper, its capacity is higher than my period of interest for most flavor. I think the Nano Micro (1.5ml) capacity would be near perfect.

I believe the point of the deck cover is to prevent leaking and it does so admirably. I don't believe you could convert to squank but then, with capacity and minimal leakage, maybe you won't need to. The 510 pin retains the top and bottom with translucent "tank" compressed between (without o-rings). The air hole enters the chamber dead center in the deck cover and is raised ~3-4 mm.

As point of reference my preferred build is NI200, 3.5mm dia., 10 to 12 wraps, spaced, which is .14 to .19 ohms. I run on a VF with max temp at 420F and typically from 7.5 to 11 watts. I make my own with 100% VG plus flavor and ~7% H2O. Other devices I have, use, and enjoy: Veritas, Magma, Cyclone, mini A-6, mini A-7, Kayun v4, The Erl, (and others I'm sure...)

Pros
-- Stellar flavor
-- Small chamber
-- Bottom air flow
-- Ease of build
-- Leaking comparable to side-air rather than bottom-air device (and minimal)

Cons
-- Nano capacity too small
-- Pull cap to fill (minimal dripping through tip)
-- Cannot be adjusted to higher air flows (a la Stumpy)

Bottom line? If you like flavor and enjoy the Stumpy, this is certainly a device to consider. And at a low enough price, it's a no-brainer.
Man, I've always wanted a nectar micro so bad! It looks amazing from a person preference and I see nothing but good things about it. I may have to look into this when the money is right. Thanks for the awesome review!

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@LoveVanilla - nice write up. I'm still after a Nectar Micro. It and the Hobo V3.1 are the only "new" RDAs I still want to purchase. I also want another NarDA and Snapdragon.
Get a hobo 3.1! You would love it. Trust me. I use mine every single day. Nothing has dethroned it......yet. That'll end soon though once my Nar comes.

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Get a hobo 3.1! You would love it. Trust me. I use mine every single day. Nothing has dethroned it......yet. That'll end soon though once my Nar comes.

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Oh I definitely will. I'm kinda hoping for a Black Friday sale at Flawless to pick one up at a bit of a discount. If not, I'll buy full price.
 
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Get a hobo 3.1! You would love it. Trust me. I use mine every single day. Nothing has dethroned it......yet. That'll end soon though once my Nar comes.

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What build are you loving so much in your hobo?

I just tried a crazy stage heated fused clapton between the posts single coil and the flavor so far is decent at best.

I've only done one build so far because I got it yesterday but so far I'm not that impressed.

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What build are you loving so much in your hobo?

I just tried a crazy stage heated fused clapton between the posts single coil and the flavor so far is decent at best.

I've only done one build so far because I got it yesterday but so far I'm not that impressed.

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I'm just pro hobo so I guess I'm biased in a sense. My builds aren't anything special to be honest, I think I have a dual macro in it now 10 wrap 24g around .50 ohms. I'll be honest here, I don't do those fancy coils everyone's into, I don't feel rda's need them for flavor, I feel like there a little overrated. No offense I'm not being a douche or anything cause you seem like a cool dude it's just my opinion. I know everyone has there preference. But for me it just has almost everything I'm looking for in an rda, no leaking, 2 post design, made well, has good customer service behind it, holds a lot of juice, the air flow is perfect imo, and it's easy to break down and build.

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Mr Mann, you prompted me to write my Nectar review. While technically this might be a RTA, there is little separating it from the RDAs other than a deck that covers the juice well. This is 22mm, two post, single coil, bottom air flow device with an single adjustable 2.5mm air inlet. Air flow is from the lower side to directly under the coil.

The chamber size is quite small; almost identical to the Stumpy. And indeed this thing is a FLAVOR MONSTER on par with Stumpy. In fact I find flavors slightly crisper likely owing to the bottom airflow. The deck cover has three holes, two to feed the wick through to the juice well and a third for filling. While some have complained about filling, I had zero issues and the fill hole is a perfect fit for standard glass droppers. I insert the dropper and fill until the juice is visible coming up through the wicks.

This is not a lung hitter but I found the draw quite satisfactory i.e. not strained. By point of comparison, I use two air holes on the Stumpy.

Additionally I need to note this is simply the easiest device build that I've ever encountered. I did multiple builds just to make sure I hadn't gotten lucky. With leads ending on opposing sides, a mandrel laid across the device puts the coil exactly at the right height for the screws and in exactly the right position. This is not happenstance -- this is a well designed piece of gear.

However, capacity on the Nectar Nano is too small for my purposes. Though you can drip 2-3 drops through the drip tip, generally you'll want to pull the chimney to fill. Believe stated capacity for the Nano is .7ml. I subsequently purchased a standard Nectar (5ml). This likewise delivered stellar flavor. However, as a flavor hopper, its capacity is higher than my period of interest for most flavor. I think the Nano Micro (1.5ml) capacity would be near perfect.

I believe the point of the deck cover is to prevent leaking and it does so admirably. I don't believe you could convert to squank but then, with capacity and minimal leakage, maybe you won't need to. The 510 pin retains the top and bottom with translucent "tank" compressed between without o-rings. The 510 is consequently not adjustable (though you may be able to back it with a small o-ring). The air hole enters the chamber dead center in the deck cover and is raised ~3-4 mm.

As point of reference my preferred build is NI200, 3.5mm dia., 10 to 12 wraps, spaced, which is .14 to .19 ohms with CC rayon wicks I run on a VF with max temp at 420F and typically from 7.5 to 11 watts. I make my own with 100% VG plus flavor and ~7% H2O. Other devices I have, use, and enjoy: Veritas, Magma, Cyclone, mini A-6, mini A-7, Kayun v4, The Erl, (and others I'm sure...)

Pros
-- Stellar flavor
-- Small chamber
-- Bottom air flow
-- Ease of build
-- Leaking comparable to side-air rather than bottom-air device (and minimal)

Cons
-- Nano capacity too small
-- Need to pull cap to fill (i.e. for more than 3-4 drips through the tip)
-- Cannot be adjusted to higher air flow (a la Stumpy)

Bottom line? If you like flavor and enjoy the Stumpy, this is certainly a device to consider. And at a low enough price, it's a no-brainer.

Wow. A review written so nice, I read it twice. Very succinct, almost like I vaped it myself! Nice review, Nilla!
 
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I'll be honest here, I don't do those fancy coils everyone's into, I don't feel rda's need them for flavor, I feel like there a little overrated. No offense I'm not being a douche or anything cause you seem like a cool dude it's just my opinion. I know everyone has there preference.

No offense taken and you are absolutely not being a douche by stating your opinion :)

I feel that some atomizers benefit from crazy builds and others don't. With the huge post holes and the fact that it's been a while since I did some intricate coils, I decided I would start with that.

Out of curiosity, what's your experience with using the single 'z-coil' aka 'between-the-posts' single coil build on this? I know everyone raved about that build in the stumpy so I had to try it on this. I can't say that I'm that impressed with it. I still have to try a standard dual coil in here too so I'm far from giving up on it, I'd like a little guidance from someone who is more experienced with the Hobo RDAs.
 

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No offense taken and you are absolutely not being a douche by stating your opinion :)

I feel that some atomizers benefit from crazy builds and others don't. With the huge post holes and the fact that it's been a while since I did some intricate coils, I decided I would start with that.

Out of curiosity, what's your experience with using the single 'z-coil' aka 'between-the-posts' single coil build on this? I know everyone raved about that build in the stumpy so I had to try it on this. I can't say that I'm that impressed with it. I still have to try a standard dual coil in here too so I'm far from giving up on it, I'd like a little guidance from someone who is more experienced with the Hobo RDAs.
Ok well let me explain a little. The only reason I back Hoberto's products is cause he's a rare thing in this vaping community, he will go above and beyond to help anyone that has his products. A while back I had some issues with my hobo v2, he went as far as sending me new decks, new top caps, new drip tips, and then a whole new rda and even gave me his personal cell and gave me a call explaining some things. Now that, is service and I will always support him in whatever he does whether I like the product or not. The vaping industry NEEDS more people like him. Now on to your question sorry lol. I actually haven't tried an in between coil or z coil. I mainly didn't want too cause the air holes on this aren't that big to really hit the coil evenly and with those types of coils I tend to get a lot of spit back since the coil sits right under the drip tip. I would think the 3.1 would benefit from just regular coils since the air flow isn't huge and cooling down an insanely big coil might be a problem.....unless you like super hot dense vapes. I don't, so this is all imo of course. I've always wanted to do the in between coil but I don't feel like ripping my build out just yet, I forget what my first build in this was but that one was the good one, you would of liked it. Is it the end all be all? Nope. It's just one person's take on what there perfection is....OK almost, or half lol somewhere around there.

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