RDA Round-Table Discussion and Lookout

[kformeck]

So everybody who's in love with the thump, what build are you running. I wanna love it but i just can't find that sweet spot. So far the best I've found is 26g around a 2.4mm I believe 10 wraps and pretty far elevated above the deck.

Your build sounds like it should be pretty solid. I've had a good vape from everything I put on it so far: dual 24 N80 7/8 wrap (? I forgot wrap count since its been a while) around a 3mm. Then I did vertically stacked horizontal quad 26 kanthal, (7/8 wraps again I believe) around a 2mm and currently I have a dual 32 kanthal over 24 N80 Clapton build in it. Everything has been pretty great. It's not the most intense flavor I've ever had but it is pretty great. You wanna get those coils as close to the top cap as possible; both up near the ceiling and out near the walls. I found this atty likes the heat too so don't be afraid to build a little lower or raise your wattage. The atomizer will get hot quickly but the vape is better on this when it's hotter. Also, mess around with coil inner diameter too, I've been finding recently that this makes a huuuge difference in flavor and throat hit.

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[Icecreamcone]

Your build sounds like it should be pretty solid. I've had a good vape from everything I put on it so far: dual 24 N80 7/8 wrap (? I forgot wrap count since its been a while) around a 3mm. Then I did vertically stacked horizontal quad 26 kanthal, (7/8 wraps again I believe) around a 2mm and currently I have a dual 32 kanthal over 24 N80 Clapton build in it. Everything has been pretty great. It's not the most intense flavor I've ever had but it is pretty great. You wanna get those coils as close to the top cap as possible; both up near the ceiling and out near the walls. I found this atty likes the heat too so don't be afraid to build a little lower or raise your wattage. The atomizer will get hot quickly but the vape is better on this when it's hotter. Also, mess around with coil inner diameter too, I've been finding recently that this makes a huuuge difference in flavor and throat hit.

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Sounds good. I'll bump it up to a 3mm and see of I can get them any closer to the ceiling. I wanna love it. I just don't think I'll love it as much as a hobo.

 

[kformeck]

Sounds good. I'll bump it up to a 3mm and see of I can get them any closer to the ceiling. I wanna love it. I just don't think I'll love it as much as a hobo.

I've only tried a hobo v2 and that was a while ago so I won't compare them. Try a 3mm inner diameter and also try going down to 2mm as well. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to really experiment with this atty since I have received so many others lately that have taken priority.

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[Mr.Mann]

The new Magma has been pictured and...well, it looks like a Magma. Larger air inlets than before, and it's now a 24 mm, but other than that it's still the same...for the most part. I was hoping for a bit more, but oh well.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Can anyone tell me if this can successfully be turned into a bottom-fed atty? I am not so sure based off of how the air inlets are milled out with the negative post and there's not a lot of room behind the inlets (especially once wick'd). It seems like it would only be delivering to one side. I don't really know how it all works though.

@inswva

 

[HeiSINberg]

Can anyone tell me if this can successfully be turned into a bottom-fed atty? I am not so sure based off of how the air inlets are milled out with the negative post and there's not a lot of room behind the inlets (especially once wick'd). It seems like it would only be delivering to one side. I don't really know how it all works though.

If I was gonna do it I'd make 1 hole on each side of the 2 posts. So it hits both sides of the wicks. But I've never actually done it before so it's just a hunch.

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[Mr.Mann]

If I was gonna do it I'd make 1 hole on each side of the 2 posts. So it hits both sides of the wicks. But I've never actually done it before so it's just a hunch.

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I love this atty, but I have to drip far too often to sit back and vape for extended periods with it. It is so close to being the perfect atty *for me* but this one thing keeps it from that. As of now, I love vaping with it, but just for those quick need-a-great-vape sessions, not like sitting down to vape myself silly.

 

[HeiSINberg]

I love this atty, but I have to drip far too often to sit back and vape for extended periods with it. It is so close to being the perfect atty *for me* but this one thing keeps it from that. As of now, I love vaping with it, but just for those quick need-a-great-vape sessions, not like sitting down to vape myself silly.

Trust me I saw it so cheap it almost delivered itself lol. But as you said, I get there drippers but I also dont feel like doing it every other couple hits. Doesn't mean it's not great but it's just one downfall and from the way you've been talking about it it doesn't seem like it has many.

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[Mr.Mann]

Trust me I saw it so cheap it almost delivered itself lol. But as you said, I get there drippers but I also dont feel like doing it every other couple hits. Doesn't mean it's not great but it's just one downfall and from the way you've been talking about it it doesn't seem like it has many.

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Not for me it doesn't (though there are some design choices that some may not like); it's just that it guzzles juice and it's basically (how I have it set-up), a re-drip-every-three-hits RDA. That's just not enough, especially since you can't really just drip willy nilly or you may get leaking. I've been on the brink of a dry hit far too many times. The well isn't deeper because of how it sits high (done to keep it from turning into a radiator, but without the goofy heatsink fins). It works, but it misses out on a deeper well. If this and the Kennedy could make a baby, a two-post baby, I'd be floating!!!!!!!

One of these days though, someone will get it all right!

 

[HeiSINberg]

Not for me it doesn't (though there are some design choices that some may not like); it's just that it guzzles juice and it's basically (how I have it set-up), a re-drip-every-three-hits RDA. That's just not enough, especially since you can't really just drip willy nilly or you may get leaking. I've been on the brink of a dry hit far too many times. The well isn't deeper because of how it sits high (done to keep it from turning into a radiator, but without the goofy heatsink fins). It works, but it misses out on a deeper well. If this and the Kennedy could make a baby, a two-post baby, I'd be floating!!!!!!!

One of these days though, someone will get it all right!

I have a feeling someone already got it right and we are all in the same boat.....the waiting boat lol. And I'm sure you know which rda I'm talking about too. Soon though, soon my friend.

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[Mr.Mann]

I have a feeling someone already got it right and we are all in the same boat.....the waiting boat lol. And I'm sure you know which rda I'm talking about too. Soon though, soon my friend.

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Meet me in the alley...

And yes, I do know!

 

[muzichead]

Can anyone tell me if this can successfully be turned into a bottom-fed atty? I am not so sure based off of how the air inlets are milled out with the negative post and there's not a lot of room behind the inlets (especially once wick'd). It seems like it would only be delivering to one side. I don't really know how it all works though.

@inswva

From this pic it was hard to see, but I found a better pic on Google. I would say because of the negative post design it would be a no-go for bottom feed. If you could somehow mill out the connection between the negative post and the air channels it would be possible, but not in its current state... I wonder what their thought process was in producing it this way? What advantage does that give the atty being machined that way?

 

[Brandon David]

Well, I bailed on the sapor/28g & istick 50w for a cheap daily carry at work. It worked alright, but the vape wasn't dense enough to satisfy a heavy fix. I even tried a parallel 28g build and it just couldn't cut it. I threw the derringer on with a .5 26g build and it seems to boogy similar to the 22g .18 in the tugboat on my cartel and gives a very satisfying vape. I found an almost complete spool of 26g a1 so I guess I'll try about an 8 wrap on a 2.4 mm screw driver tomorrow in the Sapor and see if that works out on the 50w even though I'm not very confident because of the bigger chamber and top airflow. I'm starting to wonder if I can even dial in top airflow atties. The short, side airflow guys seem to be the ones I have go to builds on and can build for both regulated and unregulated.

I really want to try out the narda. That looks like it could be the ticket on the istick but I'm trying to not spend a whole lot on vaping right now. I dropped a chunk of savings on a few stocks today so I may pick one up depending on if I can make a good return over the next few days.

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[Mr.Mann]

Not an RDA, but I know some people were interested in this. The price is hard to beat!

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[kformeck]

Hobo v3.1 is on it's way! Can't wait to try out that 'between-the-posts' single coil that everyone loves so much on the stumpy and other 2-post RDAs. I honestly can't see how it could be that great but everyone seems to rave about it so that will be the first thing I'll try, a single 4x28g N80 fused clapton between the posts. It actually wasn't that easy to find one in stock either, ended up buying from CovalVapes for $90.

Also, been using my Veritas a lot lately; I had actually forgotten how much I love this thing. I know I've always said that the Ology is better but since my building skills have improved significantly over the months, building the Veritas has become a lot easier which has allowed me experiment a lot more with it. At this point, I'm taking back the comments about the Ology; the Veritas has better flavor if build correctly (which is tricky because it's all preference and you just have to find what works for you). Now the difference is quite subtle and I can only really notice it when vaping the two side by side; the Veritas seems to bring out a little more of the complexities of certain juices; I notice some subtle flavors that I just don't get with the Ology. The Ology has more of a punchy throat hit and you might describe the flavor as slightly more intense but the Veritas will pull out more subtle flavors making it a more enjoyable experience for me (think about like this: Ology - 10/10 flavor intensity tasting 90% of the flavors in the juice vs. Veritas - 9/10 flavor intensity but tasting 100% of the flavors in the juice). The Ology has a noticeably smoother draw and is quite a bit easier to build and isn't as fussy about the builds you put in it; just about anything vapes really well in it. The Veritas on the other hand seems to be extremely fussy about coil position, diameter and even gauge of wire (I seem to get the best flavor with 26g for some reason) but once you hit it's sweet spot, it will outperform it's bigger brother.

Gonna do some more experimentation tonight with my old beloved Veritas. Also gonna modify it to work on hybrid mods too!

 

[WharfRat1976]

I truly love this RDA! The Sub Zero is the first atty I've successfully had serious macro coils greatly trump medium size or even micro coils. Spaced 3/4 wrap of 24g with a ~4.76 ID (coming out around .25-.27Ω). Great purchase for me!

Wick'd up.

Juiced up.

Wonderful flavor! Substantial airflow, but it's like there is a feeling to the draw, as if there was resistance, but it's very open. I love the way this thing hits! It's got a really nice TH--something I rarely ever use to describe RDAs!

Still no leaking either, but it's because the cotton (especially with these coils!) kinda holds and blocks the liquid from entering the air inlets (like some strange upside down well). It's weird, but for some reason this atty really makes sense to me.

No (or very minimal) spitting.
No excessive heat.
Have to redrip often.

Jesus, talking about some coil ID there. They look about 10MM...wow. hope you have a supply of cotton!

 

[Mr.Mann]

@HeiSINberg

Any thoughts on the new Indestructible? It's like it and the Vector had a child. I am not liking that build deck though.

 

[HeiSINberg]

@HeiSINberg

Any thoughts on the new Indestructible? It's like it and the Vector had a child. I am not liking that build deck though.

Yeah I see a lot of people comment about the new post system but honestly I love it, it open up the indestructible in a good way and thinner wire isn't a problem either trust me. It's just so versatile, I still use it everyday since I got it months ago. With the new post and all the sleeves and top air flow you'd be surprised how nice it is. It's the only 3 post I use now. Plus the indestructible on top of the noisy cricket looks sweet!

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[melodiousThunk]

@HeiSINberg
I am not liking that build deck though.

There's so much I like about the Indestructible: it's so incredibly Solid. The airflow is perfect for the Tobh's big brother. Access to the coils is beyond easy. It's affordable. So I picked up a couple, one that wears the Comp Cap and one that I switch out tops/tips with.

But that build deck… I happened to kind of luck out on my early builds, but if I hadn't I would have chucked that thing through the window. What's the point of all the room on the deck, plus the high ceilings, if throwing a build in is a half-day endeavor and requires Dalai Lama levels of patience? I exaggerate, but still…

I am not into the "try to trap the wires" game at all.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah I see a lot of people comment about the new post system but honestly I love it, it open up the indestructible in a good way and thinner wire isn't a problem either trust me. It's just so versatile, I still use it everyday since I got it months ago. With the new post and all the sleeves and top air flow you'd be surprised how nice it is. It's the only 3 post I use now. Plus the indestructible on top of the noisy cricket looks sweet!

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Wait, do you have the three-post or the split-post with the Allen heads and the Phillips heads? I thought that was kinda weird to have two different types of screws. I do like the rest of that design though.