RDA Round-Table Discussion and Lookout

[Sed8op8]

Please don't jump to any conclusions yet, JH. Her status is currently "unresolved". Think of ECF as a VERY large ship. It doesn't turn easily, or quickly, but with the right finesse it does turn eventually. A LOT has changed about ECF for the better over the past few years, and the hand of moderation has gotten more... moderate.

The supplier thing is difficult. Hard to know where to draw the line. The Can O Worms that could be covert suppliers, using solid ECF credentials and respected member friends, to pimp their own wares, is a very real concern and one we should be behind. Unfortunately, good and unwitting people get caught in the net, but rules have to be somewhat consistent. Hopefully, Roxy can sort it out with the mods to everyone's satisfaction. She hasn't been "moved on" or anything yet.

I still remember when a certain YouTube reviewer started making his own Genny, and while some knew it was his, not everyone (including myself) did. His "fabulous" reviews caught me, and many others, up into buying something that was, quality wise, worse than any fast tech clone I've EVER seen. The mods believe they are protecting us from this, and to a large extent (have you ever watched the New Members forum? Egads!) they are.

Seriously, how would you handle this? Not an easy call. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, whatever happens, ECF has THE best content and contributors on the web. Unfortunately for Roxy, it appears she has a stake in a commercial venture, and she will likely either have to completely abandon it, or accept supplier status, and the limitations on her activities that come with it..

I agree with you and understand ECFs stance I do however think that Roxy not having a financial stake in the company and only helping design the RTA will merit special circumstamces and I hope they make an exception !!

 

[LouisLeBeau]

She's already been told that unless she registers as a supplier and pays the required fees her account will not be re-instated.

I understand your points but Roxy was up front and very clear that she helped design the atty. She always stated "of course I am probably biased cause I designed it" or words to that effect when she gave her thoughts on it.

ETA: she has no real stake in other than maybe pride. She has not and will not receive any sort of compensation.

The support of those who have enjoyed and benefited from her posts, DO carry some weight and someone should maybe start a thread to discuss it. It could only help her. Sorry for being off topic in this thread, I would enjoy seeing a respectful discussion of all of the aspects of this issue, and getting some feedback and having some discourse with the moderation here about it.

 

[RickCain]

The support of those who have enjoyed and benefited from her posts, DO carry some weight and someone should maybe start a thread to discuss it. It could only help her. Sorry for being off topic in this thread, I would enjoy seeing a respectful discussion of all of the aspects of this issue, and getting some feedback and having some discourse with the moderation here about it.

Doesn't matter what the users say, it is pretty much pay up or be banned.

 

[Verb]

I like a warm dense vape, but the hobo's flavor popped for me when I really pushed it. That's with the air wide open. Tighter air and lower power can still get great flavor. I use a Cherry Vapes delrin tip and never have heat issues. I build for unregulated and like quick hitting low mass builds. Dual coil, N80, 3 wide spaced wraps. 22 guage at 4mm ID ended up the winner for me, but is pushing the limits with a single battery. Best to use a parallel mod for that build. 23/24 guage at 3.6mm/3.2mm is almost just as nice and the battery life is better. Going up to four wraps will bring up the resistance, but will add to atty heat and ramp up.

 

[Sed8op8]

Doesn't matter what the users say, it is pretty much pay up or be banned.

That really sucks

I like a warm dense vape, but the hobo's flavor popped for me when I really pushed it. That's with the air wide open. Tighter air and lower power can still get great flavor. I use a Cherry Vapes delrin tip and never have heat issues. I build for unregulated and like quick hitting low mass builds. Dual coil, N80, 3 wide spaced wraps. 22 guage at 4mm ID ended up the winner for me, but is pushing the limits with a single battery. Best to use a parallel mod for that build. 23/24 guage at 3.6mm/3.2mm is almost just as nice and the battery life is better. Going up to four wraps will bring up the resistance, but will add to atty heat and ramp up.

I enjoy unreg mods quite a bit myself and thanks for your experiemce with this atty and i can see now im going to have to mess with some different builds to lower the heat yet keep it producing !!!!

 

[RickCain]

I enjoy unreg mods quite a bit myself and thanks for your experiemce with this atty and i can see now im going to have to mess with some different builds to lower the heat yet keep it producing !!!!

There is something about a freshly charged battery on unreg's that work soooo nice.

 

[Verb]

Doesn't matter what the users say, it is pretty much pay up or be banned.

Even after paying up you're restricted to only posting in the suppliers subs. Discussing something you like in a thread like this is forbidden. Also after registering, your past posts are totally erased. Tons of very useful information has been wiped out of the modders sub forum. A hobbiest contributes to this community as they learn a craft. Freely sharing very useful discoveries in design and safety. They get good enough at what they're doing that they can sell some items. All they have previously contributed gets flushed. The safety info getting dumped really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

Doesn't matter what the users say, it is pretty much pay up or be banned.

This is NOT necessarily true. I want to give the Mods some credit. I know of more than one circumstance where folks had possibly unwittingly crossed the line, and were permitted to keep their member status upon completely separating themselves from any chance of even looking like they might cross that line. The ship IS turning, but everyone has to have a little time to be comfortable with the new direction before it can turn further..

 

[inspects]

Oh goodness. I am NOT going to be blamed if y'all don't like it, but, if you don't, I should be the first persona you call.

I had myself talked into it being too expensive, until I read your opinion of the atty....that took me over the edge....

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I had myself talked into it being too expensive, until I read your opinion of the atty....that took me over the edge....

Yeah, I remember something about it being comparable to a 306 atty. If this sucks, blood WILL be spilt.. Sorry, Mr. Mann... I have this weird sense of humor..

 

[Mr.Mann]

I had myself talked into it being too expensive, until I read your opinion of the atty....that took me over the edge....

Rub it in. Just RUB it in!

 

[inspects]

After reading what occurred to Roxy, I feel she was treated unjustly.

 

[MrNobody]

I've been vaping on the goon for the past few days, vaped about 60 ml of juice through it so think I can give a good run down. I put in a framed staple build, 6 wraps 3mm ID, can't remember the the exact specs as I built them awhile ago but it comes around to .11 ohms. I only vaped goon on a mech box, triple 18650 parallel so the vape was around what I like, warm and dense (~160w with fresh batteries, around where I would have vaped it on a regulated device). The flavor is nothing to write home about, I've had better. The build space is a bit tight due to the clamps taking up a lot of room as someone else had mentioned but with that this was super easy to build on, I found it easier than a standard two post. I ran this mostly with 2/3 holes open as one hole was to tight for my liking. Even with three holes open the draw has a bit of restriction but is nice and smooth. I found the juice well to be adequate and the only time I experienced spit back is when I flooded it from the top. Leaking was non existent, though if you fill it and tilt it on it's side expect to get boiling juice on your hand, which is very unpleasant. Over all this atty has amazing build quality, was clean, pristine and ready to go out of the package. Has excellent flavor and puts out some good clouds but doesn't excel in any one place except uniqueness with the build deck which is the primary reason I got it. If you want it solely for a unique build deck then I can recommend it but if you're getting it to chuck clouds or a flavor chaser I would look elsewhere. I'm pleased with this atty and it'll stay in my daily rotation but it would not be something I would actively seek out if I lost it.

EDIT: Tried with some non **** juice and opinion changed. I highly recommend this atty to anyone looking for something with good flavor, clouds and a unique build deck. Update post further up in this thread.

 

[inspects]

I've been vaping on the goon for the past few days, vaped about 60 ml of juice through it so think I can give a good run down. I put in a framed staple build, 6 wraps 3mm ID, can't remember the the exact specs as I built them awhile ago but it comes around to .11 ohms. I only vaped goon on a mech box, triple 18650 parallel so the vape was around what I like, warm and dense (~160w with fresh batteries, around where I would have vaped it on a regulated device). The flavor is nothing to write home about, I've had better. The build space is a bit tight due to the clamps taking up a lot of room as someone else had mentioned but with that this was super easy to build on, I found it easier than a standard two post. I ran this mostly with 2/3 holes open as one hole was to tight for my liking. Even with three holes open the draw has a bit of restriction but is nice and smooth. I found the juice well to be adequate and the only time I experienced spit back is when I flooded it from the top. Leaking was non existent, though if you fill it and tilt it on it's side expect to get boiling juice on your hand, which is very unpleasant. Over all this atty has amazing build quality, was clean, pristine and ready to go out of the package. Has decent decent flavor and puts out some good clouds but doesn't excel in any one place except uniqueness with the build deck which is the primary reason I got it. If you want it solely for a unique build deck then I can recommend it but if you're getting it to chuck clouds or a flavor chaser I would look elsewhere. I'm pleased with this atty and it'll stay in my daily rotation but it would not be something I would actively seek out if I lost it.

Thanks for the info, was thinking about getting one, now I doubt it.

 

[WharfRat1976]

It never shows on mine either. It's not just yours.

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Yea, everything about narmods is a total PITA. I don't beg people to give them my money.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Stumpy clones are really well done. I have 2 authentics and 2 clones. The clones are really spot on. The vape is the same.

I scored the 528 from my local BM today. My guy have me a great price. It's still in the velvet pouch so I need to wrap some big fatty build and mount it up. It's fairly well machined.

 

[sig-cmt]

Tons of very useful information has been wiped out ...safety info getting dumped...

...everyone has to have a little time to be comfortable with the new direction...

Who can be comfortable when information beneficial to the vaping community is being from removed like this?

 

[Sed8op8]

Who can be comfortable when information beneficial to the vaping community is being from removed like this?

She literally has posted so much info here it is crazy ! She was a part of this forum woven into its existence (literally if you went to the RTA thread in rebuildables you saw her everywhere) I really hope all her knowledge is not gone nor her quirky sense of humor !!!!

 

[fishwater]

Hey fish you have a hobo right ? What's a build you enjoy in it ? Also I need to read up on flavor builds I'm used to building pretty low and I'm wondering if that's impeding flavor in some of my rda's. I like vapor production but just because I like to feel my hit in my lungs. Flavor is where its at for me and vapor production is just an added bonus 8)

Sorry Sed8, I don't have the Hobo yet. Building low for unregulated or regulated? It doesn't matter for regulated how you build but some folks are used to unregulated so they do the same build no matter what device.

I used to use nothing but 24, 26awg sometimes even 22awg on my Cam-M but when I switched back to DNA 40 squonkers I realized it wasn't necessary. With a regulated I'm getting a nice flavorful vape on 28 or 26awg with quick ramp up & since the wire/build doesn't have so much mass I can run at lower watts like 30-40.

 

[inswva]

Authentic 454 Big Blocks for $10, lol.

AUTHENITC 454 Big Block RDA By Kryptonite Vapor *CLOSEOUT* - 101 Vape

Alternately, still $15 at Local Vape.