RE: April and FDA...Anything specific?

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Gr8Scott

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Well,
I am not sure where I am supposed to ask this question, but:

Do we have anything specific about what will happen in April regarding the acquisition of anything ecig related?

So what exactly happens April 1st? Do we have anything solid ?

I have looked around and seem only to find nebulous possibilities of "maybe".

Am I not looking hard enough?
 

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April is the month when PROPOSALS for deeming regulations are presented by the FDA. Once the proposals are presented, then there will be the generally long process of creating laws, if the proposals are accepted. I do not think anything impacting us directly is going to happen in April. Might be wrong on this, but there is generally weeks to months between the time of a proposal and laws being put in place. The proposal for deeming regulations is only the first step.

Bill can correct me on this if I am wrong, but I think we will be ok for a while anyway.
 

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April is the month when PROPOSALS for deeming regulations are presented by the FDA. Once the proposals are presented, then there will be the generally long process of creating laws, if the proposals are accepted. I do not think anything impacting us directly is going to happen in April. Might be wrong on this, but there is generally weeks to months between the time of a proposal and laws being put in place. The proposal for deeming regulations is only the first step.

Bill can correct me on this if I am wrong, but I think we will be ok for a while anyway.

Thanks, Kurt! :)

I have been sort of freaking out with the wondering, as probably many are.

What you are saying makes sense,the way bureaucracies operate tend to drag on. This is good for us, hopefully.
 

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hopefully we will be able to keep vaping off there agenda for awhile still these rulings are about all "smokeless tobacco" products ecigs are just one of the few things they will be ruling on,hopefully we will be able to slip buy this one unscathed but to be safe it wouldn't hurt to stock up on some liquids, i figure they will get used ether way so better safe then sorry.
i think the only thing they will be able to do anything about would be the liquids because the rest of an ecig is drug free and out of there control.

i think if anything they will try to block the sale of "candy" flavored juices kind of like what they did with analogs,and will likely try to federal tax liquid sales like 100% because we all know its all about the money they could care less about our health.
 

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CASAA had a good article that will give a feel for what there is to worry about and how they could apply the FSPTCA

The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes

And to quote
Once the FDA has released its proposed regulations for e-cigarettes and other tobacco products to the public for comment, CASAA will review the legal and scientific implications of the proposal and identify points of concern and agreement. We will then issue a Call to Action (CTA) asking members to submit comments to the FDA. The CTA will include recommended talking points and a link to the FDA comment form. It's extremely important that as many members as possible of CASAA and the e-cigarette community submit comments to the FDA when the time comes. This page will be updated as more information becomes known.

When they decide the specifics, we have to make them hear us :vapor:
 

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Im guessing there will be so much red tape and regulation in regards to e-liquid manufacturers in addition to licensing fees and lab requirements that the price of juice is going to skyrocket and put a lot of smaller mom and pop shops out of business.

Sucks for them and translates into exorbitant prices for us.

If the F.D.A isnt VERY careful they will end up losing any tax revenues they would make as a lot of us are forced back into smoking.

We need an economist with an economic survey on our side to present to the FDA and to our congressmen and senators. All some of them understand is money.
 
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Im guessing there will be so much red tape and regulation in regards to e-liquid manufacturers in addition to licensing fees and lab requirements that the price of juice is going to skyrocket and put a lot of smaller mom and pop shops out of business.

Sucks for them and translates into exorbitant prices for us.

If the F.D.A isnt VERY careful they will end up losing any tax revenues they would make as a lot of us are forced back into smoking.

We need an economist with an economic survey on our side to present to the FDA and to our congressmen and senators. All some of them understand is money.
I'm going with religion. Sacred rituals and everything. High priests provide the sacrament. Separation of church and state. *<|:)
 

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They've banned flavors in cigarettes, can you imagine if they do it with eliquid? I really don't think many of the Mom and Pop's will survive if the only flavor variety left to offer is either tobacco or menthol. *sigh*

well i would guess they would just sell the flavors separately and just make you add them yourself, after all they are just food flavorings they cant ban that they have been selling them for making candy forever.
 

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Church of the Holy Vapor? I like it....lol

I put this somewhere else sometime ago but here it is here...

Throughout time...fire and smoke have been MAJOR evolutionary factors

Fire seems to have become domesticated by homo Erectus. This helped set us on our present course. Tending said fire was very important business.

Fire enables us to survive cold, process food, transport ourselves, on and on.

Tobacco smoke was first used centuries ago ceremonially. It evolved into worst addiction on earth. Smack? Meh.
One of the main reasons for consistent NRT failure is the total lack of ritual.

SO there you have it...

The Church of the Holy Smoke.

(And the healthiest 'smoke' is vapor)
 
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Im guessing there will be so much red tape and regulation in regards to e-liquid manufacturers in addition to licensing fees and lab requirements that the price of juice is going to skyrocket and put a lot of smaller mom and pop shops out of business.

Sucks for them and translates into exorbitant prices for us.

If the F.D.A isnt VERY careful they will end up losing any tax revenues they would make as a lot of us are forced back into smoking.

We need an economist with an economic survey on our side to present to the FDA and to our congressmen and senators. All some of them understand is money.


The money the FDA would be getting would not come from tax dollars, it would come from the fees that the BT and probably BV (NJoy?) would have to pay the FDA for processing their product test results and applications for approval as a "New, Inovative" reduced harm alternative. They have laid out a plan for that testing process which is basically the same as for the medical patches and gum etc. It requires millions of $$$ in testing to be done by the companies or third parties, and THEN millions of $$ paid to the FDA to examine all the reports of the testing. It's empire-building.

Oh, and since they've been taking money and paperwork for 3500 wanna-be cigarette-introducers or changers over the last 3 years without approving ONE, they are probably hoping all the Mom and Pop shops are stupid-enough to break themselves trying to pay the FDA for approvals they'll never qualify for.

And they'll get tax revenues either from cigarettes or e-cigs, since some folks will go to the cigalikes and most others will go back to smoking. BTW, smokers SAVE governments money, big-time, by dying earlier and faster than other folks.
 

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They've banned flavors in cigarettes, can you imagine if they do it with eliquid? I really don't think many of the Mom and Pop's will survive if the only flavor variety left to offer is either tobacco or menthol. *sigh*

i have mentioned this before elsewhere but there is a loophole in flavors that they can do absolutely nothing about. all a vendor would have to do is sell unflavored nic.... and sell the premixed flavoring on the side as "food flavoring" the fda can't do squat about flavored e-liquid. so i see e-liquid vendors changing business models to flavoring suppliers instead of e-liquid suppliers. that way they don't even have to worry about the nic if it becomes a hassle to sell it
 
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