Re: Vapelicious (WTA juice) reopening thread?

[redrose]

Although I may be an old member here, my mind remains in the present. I know I did not dream I participated in the thread, "Vapelicious (WTA juice) reopening" previously located here, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n/293762-vapelicious-wta-juice-reopening.html
So would someone please share, where is it?
It is not against ECF policy to discuss a non-registered vendor, and one of the mods reminded others of that in the very thread. I hope it isn't ECF policy to remove an entire thread and disrespect the members posting in it without explanation. So where is it?
Over the years ECF has lost many of the true pioneers in the e-cig evolution for this very behavior. I had hoped the lesson was learned. Clearly not. The very core of a forum must be respect for it's members, and allowing those members to have the information they seek, not the information moderators or other vendors believe they should have. For then it would be an FDA forum.
That thread had quite a few Veterans posting in it, and for anyone to remove the entire thread without the courtesy of discussion or notice is just unacceptable, on so many levels.

 

[simply me]

Thank you Rose for addressing this. A FDA forum was one of my thoughts to. Hoping for a answer.

 

[MikenGA]

I have run and managed a forum myself, for over 10 years, and consider this action extremely disrespectful by 'the hosts'.

My 'warm regard' for ECF is fading month by month, thanks to such obnoxious behavior. A reasonable explanation is in order, or I will remain unforgiving, and spend my time elsewhere. I'm not fond of wasting my time and effort communicating thoughts in discussions that may disappear on the whim of a non-participant.

 

[tiburonfirst]

maybe just a simple matter of the thread having been moved during the recent reorganization?

 

[swedishfish]

Although I may be an old member here, my mind remains in the present. I know I did not dream I participated in the thread, "Vapelicious (WTA juice) reopening" previously located here, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n/293762-vapelicious-wta-juice-reopening.html
So would someone please share, where is it?
It is not against ECF policy to discuss a non-registered vendor, and one of the Mods reminded others of that in the very thread. I hope it isn't ECF policy to remove an entire thread and disrespect the members posting in it without explanation. So where is it?
Over the years ECF has lost many of the true pioneers in the e-cig evolution for this very behavior. I had hoped the lesson was learned. Clearly not. The very core of a forum must be respect for it's members, and allowing those members to have the information they seek, not the information moderators or other vendors believe they should have. For then it would be an FDA forum.
That thread had quite a few Veterans posting in it, and for anyone to remove the entire thread without the courtesy of discussion or notice is just unacceptable, on so many levels.

That was pretty rude. Being an 'old' and 'Veteran' member of the forum, I'd have probably shot a PM to one of the mods if I couldn't find a post and asked. But that's me.

 

[redrose]

That was pretty rude. Being an 'old' and 'Veteran' member of the forum, I'd have probably shot a PM to one of the mods if I couldn't find a post and asked. But that's me.

There are 17 Mods listed for this forum. One was asked and was not able to explain why it was removed. After wasting time looking for it, I was not inclined to contact 16 others. To me, rude is removing the entire thread, without leaving a note, or contacting the posters, or deciding that one's personal agenda rules. There was no forum violation in that thread, any comments construed to be were removed previously..
When one person believes they can just wipe out members' time, thoughts and feelings, and decides they control the info members may have, it's probably the time for that person to step away. They are not serving the community any longer, and that is the objective of moderation. There is no "parent" title on the staff here and no member I know signed up to be disrespected or invalidated.

 

[redrose]

maybe just a simple matter of the thread having been moved during the recent reorganization?

That would have been excusable. Unfortunately, the thread was purposely removed overnight.

 

[kingcobra]

Who knows what happened but what I can tell you is that if you are the least bit critical of the mods here their mighty fist will come down on you. I am surprised some of you aren't temporarily banned as I was. It was pointed out to me though that all criticism of the mods must be done in private and not in the open forum and the first offense is a suspension, no warning or anything, and the penalty isn't up for discussion. This also stays on your record forever so the next time it's not temporary. So be careful

 

[FRANKSTER]

Although I may be an old member here, my mind remains in the present. I know I did not dream I participated in the thread, "Vapelicious (WTA juice) reopening" previously located here, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...n/293762-vapelicious-wta-juice-reopening.html
So would someone please share, where is it?
It is not against ECF policy to discuss a non-registered vendor, and one of the Mods reminded others of that in the very thread. I hope it isn't ECF policy to remove an entire thread and disrespect the members posting in it without explanation. So where is it?
Over the years ECF has lost many of the true pioneers in the e-cig evolution for this very behavior. I had hoped the lesson was learned. Clearly not. The very core of a forum must be respect for it's members, and allowing those members to have the information they seek, not the information moderators or other vendors believe they should have. For then it would be an FDA forum.
That thread had quite a few Veterans posting in it, and for anyone to remove the entire thread without the courtesy of discussion or notice is just unacceptable, on so many levels.

I am surprised, being a veteran of ECF, that you do not know that the Vendors control this forum, not the mods. You are of course right, they had no business removing the thread without contacting the creator of it, but what would you expect?

The vendors do not want vapers getting involved in WTA'S. That would put a bite on their profits. I know I am going to catch some heat for saying that, but we all know it's true.

I exposed NLV for stating fabrications about me and their juice and my thread was closed because it was felt by mods that it was going nowhere. It was going someplace all right, right to the truth. Shame on ecf for taking the side of vendors! Scream out and shout " We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it any more".

I feel that if one member is not allowed to speak his or her mind freely, it is an offense to that vaper and should be an offense to everyone in Vapeland. God Bless AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[redrose]

While I understand the frustration others have experienced at times, it is not my intention to start a Mod-bashing thread. I wouldn't sign up to be a Mod, it's a difficult and often thankless position. And often, posts can be taken in more than one way, including the intention of the poster. And usually, one will know who and for what violation the action was taken. It happened to one of my posts in the same thread. In this case however, we don't know whom to address privately, and no forum violation took place.
And if I am banned for speaking up about this instance, I don't belong here anymore.

 

[tiburonfirst]

in that case, rose, i would send a pm to oldsoldier. if a mod was present in the thread who made sure that posts against ecf rules were removed and now does not know why the thread was deleted after all, then sarge would be the one to approach for an explanation.

 

[simply me]

I was banned because I said something a Mod didn't like. Oh well. We all want freedom to vape but we can't have freedom of speach. We can't just defend one freedom, But all freedoms or all will fall. Anyway has anyone heard anything about there order yet, I'm getting a little figgity here.

 

[kingcobra]

I was banned because I said something a Mod didn't like. Oh well. We all want freedom to vape but we can't have freedom of speach. We can't just defend one freedom, But all freedoms or all will fall. Anyway has anyone heard anything about there order yet, I'm getting a little figgity here.

Freedom of speech is against the forum rules, and I quote:

13. Freedom of speech
Your contribution to this forum is not a right but a privilege. As this is a private website there is no public right to freedom of speech.

For the record, I am not being critical of anyone, just telling it like it is.

 

[kingcobra]

I do want to add though since this thread is sort of about WTA, Aroma sells it and I got my first order the other day. Let's put it this way, if it were not for the higher price all the other vendors would be in big trouble. Regular juice containing only nicotine fails to provide the same satisfaction that smoking does. We all know that. WTA juice comes much, much closer. There is no comparison.

 

[Dream]

I was banned because I said something a Mod didn't like. Oh well. We all want freedom to vape but we can't have freedom of speach. We can't just defend one freedom, But all freedoms or all will fall. Anyway has anyone heard anything about there order yet, I'm getting a little figgity here.

Haven't heard anything.. Still waiting for my order. I don't think it'll reopen until all the orders get filled… whenever that happens. Just know that you are not alone..

Thank you Redrose for speaking truthfully and thoughtfully. I agree with you and admire your character.

 

[simply me]

Hello dream. I was hoping you got yours. It would be uplifting. lol I agree Redrose said it like it should have been said and relayed our thoughts.

 

[Dream]

work today.

 

[oldsoldier]

I have run and managed a forum myself, for over 10 years, and consider this action extremely disrespectful by 'the hosts'.

My 'warm regard' for ECF is fading month by month, thanks to such obnoxious behavior. A reasonable explanation is in order, or I will remain unforgiving, and spend my time elsewhere. I'm not fond of wasting my time and effort communicating thoughts in discussions that may disappear on the whim of a non-participant.

The vapelicous thread was removed because:
Ethan refuses to use a different DBA on ECF. He was plainly told the reason for this some time ago and instead chose to argue and not register.
Subsequently from time to time he gets "help" shilling. Discussion of unregistered vendors on ECF is indeed allowed, but when an unregistered supplier gets advertised on ECF through shilling/bumping I generally remove their threads.

The "whim of the non participant" as you put it was a joint decision made by the Site and Forum Managers. Rolygate and I rarely act on whims, sometimes we post a reason other times we do not.

 

[oldsoldier]

I was banned because I said something a Mod didn't like. Oh well. We all want freedom to vape but we can't have freedom of speach. We can't just defend one freedom, But all freedoms or all will fall. Anyway has anyone heard anything about there order yet, I'm getting a little figgity here.

Actually you were banned because you couldn't follow the rules. read the forum rules and you'll likely not be banned again. Protip: complaining about moderation in the open forum is against the rules. If you had PM'd me or the moderator in question you probably wouldn't have been banned.
As for the freedom of speech thing, the first amendment doesn't apply on privately owned property. The rules and terms of service of the forum allow you the freedom to speak, but do not guarantee that your speech will be uncensored. If you want wild west and unmoderated I suggest you try vapersforum.com