Vapelicious?

[DVap]

I don't believe there is anyone who doubts your personal relationship with Jerry, or the components that allow it to endure. We haven't been discussing friendships. You've been talking facts, numbers, percents. If you were to look at the two vendors from that frame of reference, you might conclude that the outcome presented is flawed.

On one hand you've surmised that Ethan is putting sick amounts of WTA into a product that should be illegal, catering to nonfunctional addicts who are either climbing the walls from their addiction or swinging from chandeliers in a heightened delirium from a dangerous concoction of alkaloids. And if, for the sake of argument we make that a given, he's selling this magic potent, wta laden elixir to belly scratching addicts for 60 Cents per ml for 72ml. Jerry infrequently sells his very conservative 15 ml WTA made for the average vaper at $2.33 pr ml or $2.75 shipped, ($6 to ship the one 15 ml bottle.) That is $1.73 per ml difference, unshipped.

72 ml of Jerrys would be $168 for 72 mls. Ethan charges $42.56. The argument just doesn't fly as presented.
(That might shed some light on c-order fullfillment, and what happens when he's open Mr Mann.)

You're a good friend DVap. You invented a goldmine that the average vaper can't afford from Aroma, unless they use it very sparingly.

Dunno if I really want to spend time talking about price. This is the sort of thing that nobody really needs me for since it's quite easy enough for folks to make their own comparisons.

In the arena of facts, number, and percents, I stand behind my presented outcome.

Folks want answers, and I can provide some of these answers. With Jerry, I can provide them with a fair degree of confidence. He doesn't tell me the specifics, I figure them out for myself because he makes it fairly easy to do so. With Ethan, I don't have the background and communication to assist in figuring out much of anything. That's probably the way he wants it, and that's his right.

While I do suspect that Ethan might be providing higher WTA levels, I've never presented the notion that Ethan has a product that should be illegal. That's putting words in my mouth. It is precisely the fact that there are nonfunctional addicts out there climbing the walls from their addiction that motivated me to develop WTA liquid in the first place (among other factors). I quite sympathize with these individuals. I say this because I prefer my attitude towards these "professionals" not to be spun by others. I am rightly concerned that providing levels that might "overdose" the average individual is at least worrisome. No chandeliers are being abused, but I do have solid feedback that higher WTA levels do make some folks feel (for lack of a better term) too mellow for their own liking when used regularly.

Ethan is much too hard for me to get along with to have any desire to engage him again in conversation. It is my opinion and I have an absolute right to this opinion (because it is based on my own experience) that between Ethan and Jerry, that coming up with answers are two different things entirely. If one comes to see Jerry at his lab, that person will get a tour. No such thing, as far as I know, with Ethan.

I don't have an agenda to bash Ethan and support Jerry. Anybody who had read enough of the background posts will know that I would prefer to see both succeed. It is my dealing with Jerry that makes me support him, just as it is my dealing with Ethan that makes me say, "I'll pass". Aside from the very different personal dealings with Ethan and Jerry, my lack of support for Ethan comes from the scientist in me. By way of example, Steve Jobs, before he died, was a raging ... (in my opinion) but he made great products and I have no problem carrying around an iPhone. I just don't know what Ethan does or how he does it, and for that reason, I can't support him. Don't misconstrue "I can't support him" as "I wish him failure". I don't wish him failure, the scientist in me is simply dissatisfied with the lack of solid information.

 

[DVap]

Hi Dvap, Your posts have been extremely enlightening and as I have yet to try WTA (I've been waiting for over 2 months for an order from Vapelicious) I am extremely intrigued at this point. I am considering ordering from Aroma because I'd really like to try WTA. In your experience with Aroma's juice do you find it as satisfying as your original creation?


Sent from my Minds Eye

Tough question in that my original creation was made at very high levels, and was too much for me to use all day at those levels. The original high level stuff was very satisfying, just as pounding 100 proof whiskey can be very satisfying.

Jerry's stuff is basically the same thing as the original, just not so potently mixed. Perhaps think of it as wine -vs- liquor. Both will do ya, one perhaps a little too well.

 

[DVap]

I hope you understand I made no such implication and have accused Jerry of nothing underhanded. I simply threw out some numbers that on the surface didn't add up. There could very well be a rational explanation.

I understand. we're good.

 

[DVap]

I would like to chime in too. I've tried both vendors and prefer Vapelicous for the effect. Aromas could be an all day vape but I don't want that. I gave a few of his bottles away to a friend to see if it would help her.

Here's the twist...Div is my sis.....we are also twins.

Interesting enough! One twin says "A", the other says "B".

 

[DVap]

Well, off to Europe with me. I might come back here, might not.

Try one, try the other, try both, try neither. That covers all the options. It's your choice.

 

[hittman]

I don't think this is directed toward me, so I'm not sure who and what it addresses directly, but Stubby specifically requested Jerry addressing it his on sub-forum, so he knows how to get there. Jerry's known for years that people have questions about the price, size, strength, potency and availability. If they're asking about it here, he hasn't bothered to answer it there.

This thread isn't for the vendors. I would like to point out a couple of things. I am not biased toward Vapelicious. I have made an informed choice based on experience with both products and vendors, the answers to questions and information requested on their product, their honesty, the prices, value and quality of their products, and my overall satisfaction from the 2 very different experiences. Based on all of them, I chose Vapelicious, not because I had to choose, but for me, their is no comparable choice.

I believe I'm the only customer actively posting. That may be because previous threads about Vapelicious were removed, and the posters accused of schilling. It wasn't true, many of them were folks waiting while I was for our first order, and others others were satisfied customers. No one specifically was charged with being said shiller. Many are afraid to risk having a problem on ECF, while others feel what's the point, they're only going to remove it.
I hope the thread being allowed to remain, and the wealth of info in it, will change that over time. The other posters have only used Aroma.

I would love to see some people who have experienced both join in. But I'm not going to pm anyone and drag them in here with a hook.

Actually it was directed toward you with no ill intention. I think we are here just trying to gather as much information as we can and since he can't talk about wta here then I thought if a thread was started there then perhaps he could help to answer some questions as long as it didn't get into revealing trade secrets. Whatever they might be.

One other thing I wanted to mention about cost. I am a bargain shopper at heart and am always looking for the best value for my money. I can't count how many times I've tried a new clearomizer or something and it didn't work well and ended up in the garbage. I could have just burned a five dollar bill and saved the hassle. For me the key is value. Jerry has a lab stocked with equipment, employees to make and ship the product, and testing fees. So what does a customer get for their money? A product that in my opinion works, good customer service, good ship time, and even a facility tour if you happen to be in the area that it's located. So for me I feel like for the dollar I spend that I get a dollar worth of value.

 

[hittman]

Well, off to Europe with me. I might come back here, might not.

Try one, try the other, try both, try neither. That covers all the options. It's your choice.

Have a good trip. I do hope you decide to come back.

 

[rothenbj]

Tough question in that my original creation was made at very high levels, and was too much for me to use all day at those levels. The original high level stuff was very satisfying, just as pounding 100 proof whiskey can be very satisfying.

Jerry's stuff is basically the same thing as the original, just not so potently mixed. Perhaps think of it as wine -vs- liquor. Both will do ya, one perhaps a little too well.

That would explain my preferences, I'll always drink liquor before wine and vape elicious rather than aroma.

I was a smoking addict (I forget what Dvap called we degenerates, but I represents that remark). However, I'm not nearly as much of an addict when it comes to snus (well maybe) and WTA,,,, and a little snuff from time,,,,,, and alcohol. I think that covers most of what I can mention here or care to. Anyway, I digress. I went from 2-3 packs a day to 4-5 grams of snus that replaced all the damage I may have been causing as a human smokestack. I occasionally supplement that constant usage with a few sniffs of snuff. That's all I really NEED at this point to have balance.

Then there is the dessert. I vape a little, somewhere between a ml or two a week, and usually when I'm not drinking wine. Someone in this holy war of a thread mentioned vaping WTA like a fine cigar or pipe. That is how I also use it and vape it- two or three mouth puffs and one lung feeder to get that throat hit. On any given sitting, I may take as many lung inhales as I had in half a cigarette back in the day. If I wasn't concerned enough to quit smoking for 43 years, I'm certainly not concerned with what I consume today.

Now back to this current 35 page Word War. I've vaped WTA from both vendors and I liked both. I have a preference for Ethan's because I love his flavors, both tobacco and fruit flavors- So much so that I create off shoots by mixing the two depending on mood. I buy so little because it lasts so long for me. I thought by now that Jerry's price would have dropped and larger bottles would be available, but I know nothing about the processes involved, other than if they would be easy, everyone would be making it.

Ethan's procedural issues and personality are well known. It all comes down to planning appropriately for any deficiencies. So far, I have no desire to try to replace the various products I enjoy for convenience sake. I just wish I wasn't too late to join the degenerate party to partake in the legend's magical elixir. Hitt has made Dvap famous on the dark side.

 

[snork]

That would explain my preferences, I'll always drink liquor before wine and vape elicious rather than aroma.

I was a smoking addict (I forget what Dvap called we degenerates, but I represents that remark). However, I'm not nearly as much of an addict when it comes to snus (well maybe) and WTA,,,, and a little snuff from time,,,,,, and alcohol. I think that covers most of what I can mention here or care to. Anyway, I digress. I went from 2-3 packs a day to 4-5 grams of snus that replaced all the damage I may have been causing as a human smokestack. I occasionally supplement that constant usage with a few sniffs of snuff. That's all I really NEED at this point to have balance.

Then there is the dessert. I vape a little, somewhere between a ml or two a week, and usually when I'm not drinking wine. Someone in this holy war of a thread mentioned vaping WTA like a fine cigar or pipe. That is how I also use it and vape it- two or three mouth puffs and one lung feeder to get that throat hit. On any given sitting, I may take as many lung inhales as I had in half a cigarette back in the day. If I wasn't concerned enough to quit smoking for 43 years, I'm certainly not concerned with what I consume today.

Now back to this current 35 page Word War. I've vaped WTA from both vendors and I liked both. I have a preference for Ethan's because I love his flavors, both tobacco and fruit flavors- So much so that I create off shoots by mixing the two depending on mood. I buy so little because it lasts so long for me. I thought by now that Jerry's price would have dropped and larger bottles would be available, but I know nothing about the processes involved, other than if they would be easy, everyone would be making it.

Ethan's procedural issues and personality are well known. It all comes down to planning appropriately for any deficiencies. So far, I have no desire to try to replace the various products I enjoy for convenience sake. I just wish I wasn't too late to join the degenerate party to partake in the legend's magical elixir. Hitt has made Dvap famous on the dark side.

And I am just the opposite. I like a nice trickle of WTA in my system at all times. In fact I'll tell a little story. Just yesterday I was a little late getting up for work and couldn't find my bottle of my all-day Aroma WTA vape. I grabbed a bottle of non-WTA thinking nothing of it, no big deal. 6 hours into my shift I was jonesing real bad for a cigarette. Not WTA, a cigarette. A burning, disgusting cigarette. This NEVER happens to me. I contemplated buying some. I haven't felt like that in AGES. I ended up walking up to a very stunned coworker and bumming a smoke, for I knew what the outcome would be. The sheer NASTINESS of the three drags I took off it got me right past that in a hurry but man, you know what could have happened in the long run.

 

[rothenbj]

Snork, that's where the snus broke that for me, although there are still days that pop up when nothing seems to work. That when I'll pull out the quick hitter snuff. The thought of ever smoking again is,,,,, well,,,,,,unthinkable.

 

[snork]

Snork, that's where the snus broke that for me, although there are still days that pop up when nothing seems to work. That when I'll pull out the quick hitter snuff. The thought of ever smoking again is,,,,, well,,,,,,unthinkable.

Yeah, it is unthinkable...I can't believe I thought it! A lot of factors were in play yesterday besides the lack of my usual juice so WTA may not have even been a factor. It was so bizarre I had to tell about it.

 

[hittman]

Thanks for joining in Roth. Just so everyone knows, I consider roth to be a friend and am glad that he came and gave his opinion. I did mention this thread in the smokeless forum because most people there have tried one or both wta's from the two vendors.

 

[Faylool]

Jerry is involved with a project on some new delicious stuff according to the Aroma site. I just love change! Sounds promising.

 

[DVap]

Have a good trip. I do hope you decide to come back.

Well, I'm stuck in Paris for another 5 and a half hours, so I might as well login...

 

[DVap]

And I am just the opposite. I like a nice trickle of WTA in my system at all times. In fact I'll tell a little story. Just yesterday I was a little late getting up for work and couldn't find my bottle of my all-day Aroma WTA vape. I grabbed a bottle of non-WTA thinking nothing of it, no big deal. 6 hours into my shift I was jonesing real bad for a cigarette. Not WTA, a cigarette. A burning, disgusting cigarette. This NEVER happens to me. I contemplated buying some. I haven't felt like that in AGES. I ended up walking up to a very stunned coworker and bumming a smoke, for I knew what the outcome would be. The sheer NASTINESS of the three drags I took off it got me right past that in a hurry but man, you know what could have happened in the long run.

For me, when I've not smoked in a very long time and have picked it up again, the first drag is disgusting, so are the second and third. After that it gets not so bad... pretty insidious, really.

 

[Faylool]

I been there....ha ha. An old family "game". We liked travel. Lucky you. Parlez vous Francais. Vous comprenez toute les filles?
A cote de vous par example.. Avec des yeux verte?

 

[Faylool]

I'm being indulgent. Just snuffed some Moracoo and snusing Skruf Stark and vaping WTA DIY. Planning to crash all taken care of. Do you know Jerry's new project? Tell!

 

[Faylool]

Oh well that fell flat.....
I'll go find some word games

 

[redrose]

What's your point here redrose? It doesn't matter how affordable vapelicious is, how delicious, how efficacious, anything. People aren't able to buy it consistently, if at all! What's a person supposed to do, just keep right on smoking cigarettes until your god deems them worthy?

Well, my point comes from a different perspective. So it's probably best to address that first. I wasn't having trouble getting Vapelicious. Until the last stampede people were getting their orders within 2 weeks. So get-able there aside, for the moment, I have never been able to order what I would have liked to from Aroma before Ethan. You want to make it seem like it's a piece of cake to order a quantity of a particular juice at the higher of the offered strengths, but that wasn't my experience. Nor was I able to get a pm response from Jerry.

And just to tie this to your last post Hittman, I was on another thread in the general forum quite some time ago, that someone had started because of the same issues I was having. It was joined by several others, and it asked the questions I mentioned a bit earlier. And Jerry came on thread, apologizing for the problems and invited us to mosey over to his forum to discuss it there. I asked earlier, can anyone find such a thread over there? By anyone ever? It's an owner moderated forum.

If my new pal, rothenbj, is someone whose opinion you respect, than why all the inference that quality is lacking in Vapelicious? It isn't, you know it isn't.

So back to my point there. It's difficult to wrap one's head around the notion stated, that if WTA is so expensive, and Ethan supposedly puts so much in his product, while Jerry uses so much less (responsibly of course) and sells only sample size bottles, and Jerry charges up to 4 times as much as Ethan, that the problem is still Ethan. And that no one wants to look at, or demand an explanation, on the public forum, about things such as possible price gouging, exploitation, manipulating the market, and not being " open" other than a tour of the lab, then I would think there something clouding judgement in that juice.

I also have some bad news to add. Ethan's juice doesn't knock ones socks off, make them high, or have any other overt effect than that of having a cigarette. I wasn't looking for an extended nap, a high, or a euphoria. I wanted to be able to concentrate and focus at my task. That, but actually dopamine is what's missing from my brain chemistry, Cigaretts helped me focus, be attentive and possibly sharp. Nicotine didn't give me that. Either did Aroma. I would have been thrilled if it did.

And all I hoped by engaging in this thread is that we could add some honesty, and reality to the WTA part of vaping. Letting the new guy in, without the crap, and perhaps raising the bar, and the current standard for those in this community who need this.

 

[DVap]

I been there....ha ha. An old family "game". We liked travel. Lucky you. Parlez vous Francais. Vous comprenez toute les filles? A cote de vous par example.. Avec des yeux verte?

J'ai vu beaucoup de filles ici. Les yeux verts, yeux bleus, et cetera. Voulez-vous que je vous présenter quelques-uns d'entre eux?