Vapelicious?

[PLANofMAN]

I don't believe there is anyone who doubts your personal relationship with Jerry, or the components that allow it to endure. We haven't been discussing friendships. You've been talking facts, numbers, percents. If you were to look at the two vendors from that frame of reference, you might conclude that the outcome presented is flawed.

On one hand you've surmised that Ethan is putting sick amounts of WTA into a product that should be illegal, catering to nonfunctional addicts who are either climbing the walls from their addiction or swinging from chandeliers in a heightened delirium from a dangerous concoction of alkaloids. And if, for the sake of argument we make that a given, he's selling this magic potent, wta laden elixir to belly scratching addicts for 60 Cents per ml for 72ml. Jerry infrequently sells his very conservative 15 ml WTA made for the average vaper at $2.33 pr ml or $2.75 shipped, ($6 to ship the one 15 ml bottle.) That is $1.73 per ml difference, unshipped.

72 ml of Jerrys would be $168 for 72 mls. Ethan charges $42.56. The argument just doesn't fly as presented.
(That might shed some light on c-order fullfillment, and what happens when he's open Mr Mann.)

You're a good friend DVap. You invented a goldmine and the average vaper can't afford from Aroma. Unless they use it very sparingly.

The last time I looked at this post the prices were different. Aroma's was lower and Ethan's was higher. Have you ever ordered from Aroma, rosered? If you have, you would know that the permanent coupon code ECF gets you 10% off of your order. I just looked at Vapelicious, and the last time I checked I couldn't find unflavored on his site for sale at any price. Now the page for stuff for sale doesn't even come up. Where are you getting the magical lowball price from? Can you show me pictures of Ethan's lab? Has Ethan ever invited people to come and stop by? Is Ethan having his batches tested? Does he really have a chemist working for him? What kind of experience does said chemist have? From his website, we "document everything for repeatable procedures similar to ISO 9001 and FDA Good Manufacturing Practice Guidelines for pharmaceuticals." It sounds good, but this is not the same as actually testing the product.

I can order from Jerry anywhere in the U.S. and have the order in 4 days. Anywhere in the world and have it in 7-10 days. You claim that "until recently" the wait time from Ethan was 2 weeks, yet we have had several people in this thread say that they waited for months for Ethan's juice.

I get why Jerry's prices are they way they are. I work in the cleanroom industry, I know what it costs to have lab equipment certified and serviced on a regular basis. To have a physical mailing address and walk-in location. I don't understand how Ethan can afford to make his WTA for the price he sells it at. He is cutting some major corners, possibly even working out of a garage or basement and taking risks with his safety and yours to put out an untested product that likely varies significantly from batch to batch. To my knowledge he has never allowed anyone to visit his business, or shown any pictures of his business location.

You said you were unbiased, yet every post you've posted in this thread has been biased. I've admitted I am biased, and not because of anything Jerry has done, but solely due to Ethan's scorn and contempt for his own customers.

If a person smoked a pack a day, they would have to vape 5 ml a day to spend the same amount of money they did when smoking. Most people that need WTA smoked two packs a day or more. I don't know all that many people who can vape 10 ml of WTA in a day. Maybe that falls under the "used very sparingly" to you, but the "average" vaper used to be an "average" smoker and can spend the same amount of money on their habit if they want to.

I also think that you and I have different definitions of quality. To me a quality juice is one that has undergone strict quality control, testing, analysis, and is manufactured in a sterile environment. To you, a quality juice is apparently one that tastes good and has enough WTA in it for you to self medicate.

Why is VAPELICIOUS's WTA FAQ page no longer showing up on his site???? You can still find it through a google search, but there are no longer any links on the homepage.

EDIT:Regarding prices, from Aroma E-Juice.

7 X $12.00 = $84.00 for 70 ML of WTA

$84.00
-$ 8.40 ECF Coupon 10% off
$ 0.00 Shipping free on orders above $75.00

$75.60 for 7 (10ML) bottles of WTA eliquid delivered in 3 days to your door made in a real lab seems fair in my book. Especially considering the alternative is a 2 weeks (if you are lucky) to a 7 month wait.

 

[DVap]

And all I hoped by engaging in this thread is that we could add some honesty, and reality to the WTA part of vaping. Letting the new guy in, without the crap, and perhaps raising the bar, and the current standard for those in this community who need this.

I've tried to be as fair as I can to Ethan given my negative predisposition toward him.

I rather suspect that all you hoped by engaging in this thread was to push your own agenda. There's really nothing I can add that will satisfy you. Jerry can do no right, Ethan can do no wrong. Does that about cover it?

 

[DVap]

I don't understand how Ethan can afford to make his WTA for the price he sells it at. He is cutting some major corners, possibly even working out of a garage or basement and taking risks with his safety and yours to put out an untested product that likely varies significantly from batch to batch. To my knowledge he has never allowed anyone to visit his business, or shown any pictures of his business location.

I've kept my guns holstered on these very points, but seeing as somebody else has said it, I'll say only that these are valid concerns.

 

[redrose]

The last time I looked at this post the prices were different.

I tried to warn you that you would only embarrass yourself if you kept posting AT me, despite your assurance of having more knowledge than your noobness suggests. Turns out, you have even less.

There is nothing resembling accuracy, fact or personal knowledge/experience regarding the person nor the business you clearly despise in your rant. You know nothing about me, or websites in maintenance mode.

It's also apparent no one told you those are the standards McDonald's operates under, needing to certify frequently that they maintain the bare minimum required to be called food.

You actually sound like you could be Jerry. You should probably spend more time in the protected area where you got all that experience.

 

[redrose]

I've tried to be as fair as I can to Ethan given my negative predisposition toward him.

I rather suspect that all you hoped by engaging in this thread was to push your own agenda. There's really nothing I can add that will satisfy you. Jerry can do no right, Ethan can do no wrong. Does that about cover it?

No, I'm hoping that Jerry can do better. I've never posted anything saying I'd like to see Aroma fail, only improve. I'd like to see those who need wta given the same options as every other vaper.

 

[redrose]

No, I'm hoping that Jerry can do better. I've never posted anything saying I'd like to see Aroma fail, only improve. I'd like to see those who need wta given the same options as every other vaper.

And truth be told, from one old-timer to another, you have not been fair. You never tried his product, or analyzed it. You don't have like a person to do that. Your criticisms are not objective or scientific. They are supposition and personal.

 

[Faylool]

Merci mais....Non Non. Je suis femme!

J'ai vu beaucoup de filles ici. Les yeux verts, yeux bleus, et cetera. Voulez-vous que je vous présenter quelques-uns d'entre eux?

 

[Faylool]

Redrose. I am embarrassed for you. You are obviously infatuated with the guy and he clearly must have given you "special" goods since its very clear he hasn't got consistency in almost everything he does.

 

[div]

Your criticisms are not objective or scientific. They are supposition and personal.

I've been reading this thread on and off. Your responses aren't objective either.

My sister prefers Ethan's mix and I prefer Jerry's. I don't bash her for it. Both of us have tried each vendors. Maui Blend was good, but didn't seem like WTA was in there, it was just a nic juice mix..no difference. Jerry's mix, like Mahalo WTA, has an effect...and no, not a knock me on my ... effect...that is not I was looking for and not what it does.
Just like you, I get the focus points. Ethans mix works for you...its your decision. Just don't get all hot and bothered if everyone doesn't see it your way.

 

[redrose]

I've kept my guns holstered on these very points, but seeing as somebody else has said it, I'll say only that these are valid concerns.

If you are in fact Dvap, I am shocked that you would post something so unprofessional, so unfounded, so loathsome that it brings me back to one of my earlier posts about no competition at any price.

It begs the question, do you gain financially from Aroma?

It certainly strips you of any entitlement to respect.

I hope your ip addys are what you say they are. Holster that.

 

[rothenbj]

"I like Marlboros."
"That's nuts, Winstons are much better."
"You're wrong Marlboros taste much better."
"You don't have a clue, Winstons are smooth and satisfying. Look forget it, let's change the subject. I love scotch!"

"Bull, Bourbon is much better"...........

The only thing I can say definitively about this thread is that it certainly left the tracks somewhere in the first 2 or 3 pages. I don't think the OP ever got his/her question answered. I learned three things- 1. Some love Jerry's liquid 2. Some love Ethan's liquid 3. DVap is alive and well and hanging out in Paris on his way to Germany, which was a better deal than I got on my last trip there that required about that long layover in Atlanta.

 

[hittman]

Well, my point comes from a different perspective. So it's probably best to address that first. I wasn't having trouble getting Vapelicious. Until the last stampede people were getting their orders within 2 weeks. So get-able there aside, for the moment, I have never been able to order what I would have liked to from Aroma before Ethan. You want to make it seem like it's a piece of cake to order a quantity of a particular juice at the higher of the offered strengths, but that wasn't my experience. Nor was I able to get a pm response from Jerry.

And just to tie this to your last post Hittman, I was on another thread in the general forum quite some time ago, that someone had started because of the same issues I was having. It was joined by several others, and it asked the questions I mentioned a bit earlier. And Jerry came on thread, apologizing for the problems and invited us to mosey over to his forum to discuss it there. I asked earlier, can anyone find such a thread over there? By anyone ever? It's an owner moderated forum.

If my new pal, rothenbj, is someone whose opinion you respect, than why all the inference that quality is lacking in Vapelicious? It isn't, you know it isn't.

So back to my point there. It's difficult to wrap one's head around the notion stated, that if WTA is so expensive, and Ethan supposedly puts so much in his product, while Jerry uses so much less (responsibly of course) and sells only sample size bottles, and Jerry charges up to 4 times as much as Ethan, that the problem is still Ethan. And that no one wants to look at, or demand an explanation, on the public forum, about things such as possible price gouging, exploitation, manipulating the market, and not being " open" other than a tour of the lab, then I would think there something clouding judgement in that juice.

I also have some bad news to add. Ethan's juice doesn't knock ones socks off, make them high, or have any other overt effect than that of having a cigarette. I wasn't looking for an extended nap, a high, or a euphoria. I wanted to be able to concentrate and focus at my task. That, but actually dopamine is what's missing from my brain chemistry, Cigaretts helped me focus, be attentive and possibly sharp. Nicotine didn't give me that. Either did Aroma. I would have been thrilled if it did.

And all I hoped by engaging in this thread is that we could add some honesty, and reality to the WTA part of vaping. Letting the new guy in, without the crap, and perhaps raising the bar, and the current standard for those in this community who need this.

I was trying to be upfront and let everyone know that Roth is a friend and I do value his opinion. If I remember correctly, I stated in my first post on this thread that I have not tried Ethan's wta and wouldn't comment on it. I have made no statements about if his liquid is good or not and haven't said anything about shipping times that I have no experience with.

I understand now what you are saying about the thread you mentioned that is not there. I'm not saying its right but it definitely not the first time I've heard of a supplier deleting a thread. Far from it. I am assuming that the thread became confrontational?

I think I've been upfront that I like Jerry and his liquids. You obviously don't. I'm fine with that. I have not and will not comment on the quality or enjoyability of Ethan's liquids until if or when I ever try them. I'm not out to get Ethan like you seem to think. Not every person here that likes Jerry's liquids needs to be treated like an enemy as it seems to me that you have chosen to do. If anyone here gives the appearance of having something to gain from a supplier then its sure as hell not Dvap!

 

[div]

WOW......REALLY????? My opinion..outside looking in, I see the direction this is going.
You wanted opinions, you got them...you wanted responses to those who have tried both, you got them. I said what I thought, honestly and unbiased. It just wasn't what you wanted to hear. Can't you just accept people like each ones for their own reasons?
If this is what one vendors liquids do to you...then well no thanks, I'll keep my brain and common sense thank you. I'm not playing on your tilt-a-whirl.

If you are in fact Dvap, I am shocked that you would post something so unprofessional, so unfounded, so loathsome that it brings me back to one of my earlier posts about no competition at any price.

It begs the question, do you gain financially from Aroma?

It certainly strips you of any entitlement to respect.

I hope your ip addys are what you say they are. Holster that.

 

[redrose]

I was trying to be upfront and let everyone know that Roth is a friend and I do value his opinion. If I remember correctly, I stated in my first post on this thread that I have not tried Ethan's wta and wouldn't comment on it. I have made no statements about if his liquid is good or not and haven't said anything about shipping times that I have no experience with.

I understand now what you are saying about the thread you mentioned that is not there. I'm not saying its right but it definitely not the first time I've heard of a supplier deleting a thread. Far from it. I am assuming that the thread became confrontational?

I think I've been upfront that I like Jerry and his liquids. You obviously don't. I'm fine with that. I have not and will not comment on the quality or enjoyability of Ethan's liquids until if or when I ever try them. I'm not out to get Ethan like you seem to think. Not every person here that likes Jerry's liquids needs to be treated like an enemy as it seems to me that you have chosen to do. If anyone here gives the appearance of having something to gain from a supplier then its sure as hell not Dvap!

I happen to like you, and your posts. You were honest and sincere in your feelings and opinions. I didn't say anything of a negative nature towards you. I was responding to your suggestion of moving the conversation to Jerry's forum. I was explaining that I have had that experience, and the thread never materializes. The post are not allowed to post unless it's Jerry telling someone in it to pm for immediate juice ordering. If anyone continued the questions, no one ever saw them. The original thread never turned nasty, Jerry was just "freer" to participate in his own forum was the reason given for abandoning the thread we were in. Then when moved, he posts to pm him. in the pm, he directed me to his site to order said juice, it'll be there waiting. Except it never was.

As for my inclusion of Roth, it had nothing to do with anything you said, he pm'd me. I have no problems with you whatsoever, and have enjoyed your perspective. It was Man o whatever that was antagonistic, nasty and uninformed. I'm sorry if you felt I had anything but good feelings towards you.

 

[classwife]

Ok.
This thread turned into an argumentative pissing match with personal attacks.

I deleted it this morning "Pending Review" to read through it.

There is some good information in here so I am going to open it and lock it.
Will probably be some periodic cleaning...



I would love to see a WTA thread...for the discussion of WTA...leaving suppliers out of it.
Members taking responsibility and reporting things that take it off track...keeping it a clean discussion thread.

Dvap ? Are you up for this ?