I have to wonder if your fond memories of the DVap 30mg WTA is because it was actually 30mg WTA and not diluted. Hopefully Aroma will get wind of this thread and answer on his venders forum. An interesting point is that Aroma has unflavored DIY WTA starting at 18mg for a good deal more money then standard WTA. No clue as to what is going on with that but it does get curiouser and curiouser.
I'm not at all happy with the implication that Jerry is somehow dishonest or deceptive. It doesn't sit well at all with me.
I have a good relationship with Jerry. Very early on, I gave him a considerable amount of advice and guidance, but over the past couple years, we really haven't talked all that much. Maybe a phone call every couple months, sometimes we'll talk about WTA, other times we'll not even discuss it.
I'll say this very clearly: I know the man quite too well to remotely believe that there is the least intent to deceive.
Some posts that I make, I live to regret. Such is the case with the post where I described my impression of various concentrations of pure WTA. You see, it's easy for anyone to read that post and think, "That 30 mg pure WTA sure sounds good!". Well, I wasn't clear enough on the context. When I chose 30 mg as the concentration for the early testers, I picked this concentration as a ridiculously high level of WTA. Perhaps it will be helpful to say a few things about a couple of the testers. Vic, for example, was in the habit of vaping nicotine only e-liquid at 75 mg. That's not a typo. Tropical Bob wasn't quite that outrageous, but his appetite for nicotine was nonetheless legendary. My choosing of these folks was quite intentional. These were not your average vapers having trouble with switching over to nicotine only e-cigs, they were (as I am fond of saying) professionals. When I referred to 18 mg pure WTA as my sweet spot, a little more explanation should have been given. I can take a shot of tequila now and then, and I'm fine with it. 10 shots and I'm liable to bark at the moon. It's the same with 18 mg WTA. I can really enjoy a bit of it, but if I tried to vape it all day, I'd likely be barking at the aforementioned moon.
This brings us to an important question. What is appropriate for the vaper having "average" trouble with quitting analogs using nicotine only e-liquid? The question is important because when designing any product, there must be design parameters. In the case of Jerry's WTA, the most important parameter is WTA content. He wants his product to perform a specific function, and he must design his product to perform that specific function. He does not want his product to cause lunar barking if used regularly. What he does want is a product that is efficacious (effective in producing a desired outcome). The desired outcome here is a product that effectively lessens the desire to smoke analogs while not overdosing the regular user. I'll illustrate. Do you recall the WTA review video that Rob from Flesh Eating Zipper did? He was vaping a non-standard 18 mg pure WTA. To paraphrase his reaction, it knocked him on his ... after just a few vapes. Jerry does not want his product to routinely knock people on their asses. He designed his product not to do this, he designed it to be effective in curbing analog cravings while not being overpowering.
People, listen to me, this is potent stuff.
Back to the design process. At the WTA levels appropriate for all day use (without any ...-knocking), the WTA doesn't present itself as aggressively as the higher concentrations do. Now listen to this very carefully, it needs some added nicotine to enhance the generally desired throat hit. The fact that 24 mg with WTA costs no more than 12 mg with WTA is very telling. If it was Jerry's intent to imply that the 24 mg version was higher in WTA than the 12 mg version, in other words, if Jerry had intended to deceive, it would reason that he would price the 24 mg version higher than the 12 mg version. he did not. The price of both the 12 and 24 mg versions is the same and it is the same precisely because he is pricing based on WTA content. To put it another way, the proof is in the pricing.
I hope that by now, you'll see that Jerry isn't trying to con you. His product is designed to be effective, pleasant to vape, and affordable. As far as his business, he is open to visitors, reliable, quick to deliver, and he doesn't make promises he can't keep. In short, he believes in customer service and works hard to create customer satisfaction.
I'm sure Hittman can tell you that the pure 30 mg stuff he's had is remarkable stuff. But, at the same time, I'm also sure he'll tell you that if he tried to vape it regularly, he would likely strip naked, mount himself on the apex of some roof somewhere, and commence to bark at the setting of the sun.
This brings me to the other side of the WTA coin, and the original topic of this thread. What about Vapelicious? I know precious little, and it's all guessing. Does Ethan put more WTA in his liquid. I'm guessing he does, but in all honesty, I have no idea and I don't plan to talk with him about it.
So, the wind-down. If you're looking to be knocked on your ... by a WTA e-liquid, Jerry hasn't designed his product with you in mind. In Ethan's case, God only knows.
