That was me assuming the rxw would have a taste to it. I haven't actually tried a dry piece of it yet. I will soon though when I receive my new mini.
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I would not say it has a taste per say, just that the vape has a flavor shift for the first few hits. It may be because I use unflavored or very little flavor in my juices.
EDIT: and it's 100% VG
EDIT: and it's 100% VG
I think there's a very slight "hint" of taste. Or, maybe as FB said, just an off taste for a few hits. Certainly nothing like cotton. That was awful.
This is good to know. I vape all sorts of juices from high to low vg and strong to no flavor. I actually liked the cotton better than the ekowool, probably because not much of it had to used so it's flavor went away faster.
I don't believe that ceramic wick has a flavor of its own per se. If it did it likely got stoked off via the magnitude and multitude of processing by the OEM and ultimately the kilning method itself. The latter may lend it's own contribution as I commented on here…
If you've ever done any pottery you might know then that the work will be giving off the taste of the kiln for some time (unless you glaze it). That's what I'm referring to here. Ceramic wick kind of resembles an air plant in a way as it will infuse itself as well with the airborne environment as it cools. That includes moisture. So it's best to keep it in a well sealed dry container, preferably glass, which will not impart its own flavor into the media.
A good way to avoid that flavor hit of refractory concentration anywhere in the wick is to soak it with the juice you'll be using it. In the atty or clearomizer. Don't vape it dry. Allow the juice to permeate the media thoroughly and cycle some juice through it when you start. That will expedite the break in. No need to soak it in VG or (foggedaboutit) PG. This media is ideal for handling dense lipids. It loves VG. My surprising discovery after many repeated tests and retests (due to my boundless skepticism) is that pre-washing it in water will absolutely deter the break-in process. In some cases I encountered that it permanently muted the flavor potential (flow capacity). So absolutely do not boil this media, ever! It has the effect of closing up those inter-fiber spaces, as I said, perhaps permanently.
Also absolutely do not torch this media prior to break in. Running VG through it in normal use habilitates the proper functioning of the media, that is the break-in, the expansion of the inter-fibers to arrive at an optimal of capillary capacity and function. Think stretching out into a well worn belt. That's where you want to get to.
Torching ceramic media before break in will close and narrow those inter-fiber spaces and perhaps, as with water, fuse them closed permanently.
One thing I am certain, once ceramic breaks-in and goes flavor neutral it will deliver the most accurate flavor of any media I've encountered. I believe based on my sampling of a great many users (hundreds with whom I've shared) most of us will experience the same.
Good luck.
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Hi
Has anyone found a coupon code or promo for this?
There shipping charge is a bit much for such a light product ($3.00)
Has anyone found a coupon code or promo for this?
There shipping charge is a bit much for such a light product ($3.00)
Thanks MacTech! If rxw loves vg I'll have to give some high vg juices a go then.
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Been over a year penny. A year in which I resolved to do my own self-fund quasi-scientific study of the mechanics. For the first few months I bought into the PG as antiseptic thing and flavor loss, etc. All the while, as my sampling and testing of different juices varied the PG level, I struggled with intermittent bouts of extreme respiratory irritation. That is, until I began to question the wisdom of PG. Far be it for me to say it's not beneficial in some way. I'm flavor sensitive and reactive and the switch to 100% VG was graceful and welcome. Still encounter some PG in flavorings and occasionally must test with some for my study. The difference becomes quite apparent now even as I've not considered that this or that juice might contain PG. Then, I'm appropriately reminded by the apparent "dry hit from nowhere" phenomena I experience that doesn't go away. But its the juice pen, for me it's the juice.
I kinda envy other people's tolerance but having the additional and easily accessible vapor to boost flavor delivery on demand is a huge plus. And a few extra drops on an extra flavor drop concoction can literally blow ya away. So at this juncture, I'm at a loss to see the advantage.
If it's concern about acrolein or any of the other boogeymen, we'll that's why I'm here trying to pass along some basic electronics knowledge so folks know how to control their power and temperature. Encourage safe driving if you will.
Good luck to you penny.
I have been following this thread since it's inception. I re-read the entire thread last week and decided to give it a try and ordered the 2mm. Received it today and wrapped exactly as outlined by FB above. Instructions were perfect and all went well. However, I am only getting about two hits per sqounk and would have liked more. I'm wondering if this is normal. Coil is .7 ohms spaced micro.
Give it a little time....squonk a bit more often and see if it does not get better. I find that when I change a coil/wick it doesn't hit it's stride for mmmm... half a bottle.
First of all, gotta say one of the things that impresses me and should producers of synthetic wick media is how open minded and dedicated some of you have remained to products like Nextel. It does show how open many of your small community are to innovation…and to the search for that great vape.
Rasci, I'm feelin' ya.
My beef with this post and rant is how little many in the resale and producer space understand the very products they sell and our difficulties and needs. Too many apparently operate on broad and pervasive assumptions many based on the observations of people just trying to learn right here and places like reddit. So we end up with the same regurgitated solutions that have abounded the past several years without any critical examination. Why? Well, because we relying upon it assume our suppliers should be the experts.
Contrary to videos made suggesting loose wicks work just fine with Nextel, ceramic wick requires good deflection of its surface for effective heat transmission from the wire to the juice and its surface. Yes, the surface. Why? Because ceramic wick is very conductive absorbing heat very effectively which aids flow and ultimately vaporization. If it's loose at all, despite it's swelling slightly (in the case of RxW) 5/64" for example remains a loose fit for slim (2mm). If spaced or hand wound in particular this may be too loose and/or irregularly loose producing open hot turns (shorts).
Short answer: Variations in temperature across the length of a wick, particularly a directional one like KGD or synthetic, disrupt its flow. Nextel ceramic wick benefits from a precise and uniform coil deflection fit.
Now let's use some common sense here. You have videos showing just how red hot Nextel can get (absorption). And gee that really should help vaporize something darned good, right? Then, we have videos sayin'…oh, loose as a goose. On the one hand good and hot with direct coil contact; on the other, it's going to be just right if it's sliding around in there on a layer of juice.
Crikey. Which is it?
Pardon me, the iron may be hot but you gotta hit the fabric to get the wrinkles out.
And here's another, there's no better way to stifle the flow of a directional synthetic like Eko than to over-wind it (too much deflection). Such as how? Well, by first compressing it by shooting some over-sized object down its core…then winding on it. We just don't have the hand precision to keep tension uniform as we do. And the mere effort to keep it consistent is enough to guarantee we crimp the fibers. Particularly with Ekowool whose fibers are less rigid than Nextel. And crimping as it happens with a wick is essentially the same as crimping your garden hose. Ain't gonna happen folks.
So here rasci I'd interject a question on how you wound your particular wick.
There is no slide on in proposition for Nextel or any other wick. Nextel's a huge improvement and why I have endorsed it as a solution for newcomers across many threads on ECF. But it's not killer solution. Incorrect information on what works that makes it seem simpler than it is...is not fair to consumers. An example would be to reject 3/32" (2.38mm) as a viable wind when in fact it's one of the most spectacularly productive for XC-116…as I adequately demonstred earlier on this thread…
'Nough said.
For the vape to be better (more vapor, density, flavor) — the gain in absorption created by turn separations in a non-microcoil or non-tensioned microcoil must result in a greater vapor production to offset the calculable loss of electrical efficiency attributable to an optimized electrical wind, one with proper deflection of the media. If it doesn't, and I remain the constant skeptic based on the math, I question the build as I'm doing here.
I'm suggesting to you what I know having built more than a fair number myself. In the ranges between 1/16 and 5/64 Nextel is favored by adequate deflection. And again contrary to suggestions, if it's loose at 5/64" (it works) but you will not see optimal performance. A proper precision tension coil, be it spaced or contact, will improve on that archaic obsolete hand-wind being used in videos. I would suggest those who would claim adequacy (or not) demonstrate that. Be they users in this forum or vendors in the vapesphere. Show us the vape!
So I'd rather not sit here and argue with you fine folks on the spaced premise. But it just can't have the same efficiency as a micro or tensioned micro contact coil. Some of you maintain that it's elemental for squonking. I don't test REO's I have to trust in your observations. However, from my readings here and elsewhere it seems to be a hit or miss proposition as evidenced by poster having dutifully followed instruction.
I know as a user that a loose hand or jig winds do work. In the same way that I know a loose battery connection in my car will work. But frankly in my opinion that's not going to get you the great vape you're looking for. And one of the first things we do is knock the wind. That's unfortunate because the wind, if anything at all, should be the measurable dependable constant that we can and should be able to rely upon. And that is precisely my point: Loose electrically faulty winds are not. They can't be duplicated. So how can we claim they have or will perform well?
If they were, if they did, then we as users could and would be reasonably looking to other issues like juice constituents, viscosity, air flow, juice delivery…if we had the standards electrically in place. I won't even get into the issues of predicting resistance which is key to our getting a great vape, temperature.
This is why I advocate tension winding with the hope we get that gorilla down on the mat. Get that simple wind consistently hitting your temperature target (favorite for your juice for example). Once you have a predictable consistent wind going, analyzing your build is easy peasy as they say.
I am not insisting there is no other way to make a coil. Merely that we have to have something that just works. Start there. Get that battery connected. Make sure you can measure it. Drive.
I'd be pleased to give the benefit of a doubt to the marketeers if they took the time to correct or update some of the misinformation they deposit in the internet universe. Unfortunately, this seldom happens but for a few.
Some of you are doing great! Try harder.
Good luck all.
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Rasci2, Are you using a Reomizer? If so, you have a tiny space that only allows for a very short wick, with a very small diameter - and a fairly hot coil. The juice is going to vaporize faster, if for no other reason than wick capacity.I prefer the 3mm RXW in my mini Reo & Reomizer. If you look into the ends of both the 2 & 3 mm, the hollow centers look to be about the same diameter... I'm struggling with how to put this in writing... because the centers are aproximately the same, the material is much finer woven, a finer threaded fabric & much less of it in the 2mm, than the 3. So, the 2mm holds much less juice. With the 3 mm, I get about 4 or 5 good hits per squonk, with just about the same ohms as you're using, & a spaced coil. I think, too, that I might be squonking a bit longer using the RXW, than I did with other materials, but there's an adjustment with almost every change. Geez - I hope this makes sense. Keep at it a bit longer, this really is great stuff.... if you still keep getting unsatisfactory results, you might try doubling the wick? I use it looped a couple of times (like a bow) in one of my tanks.
Just in case anyone cares I got my first order on March 12 ......... 5 months ago.
I've used 9.75 inches in that 5 months. Its the only wick I've used since I got it except for maybe 3 days of ekowool.
This was on 4 devices running simultaneously.
@ .67 cents per inch I've spent roughly 6.70 cents over 5 months for wicking.
1.34 per month I don't feel is expensive but it is more than cotton would cost for sure.
I could have used much less but I'm lazy and prefer to just chuck it and add new wick if needed.
Either way with only 14 inches left of my initial 2 foot order I just ordered 3 feet more today.
So I should be set for the next 25 months ........
I love this stuff.
I've used 9.75 inches in that 5 months. Its the only wick I've used since I got it except for maybe 3 days of ekowool.
This was on 4 devices running simultaneously.
@ .67 cents per inch I've spent roughly 6.70 cents over 5 months for wicking.
1.34 per month I don't feel is expensive but it is more than cotton would cost for sure.
I could have used much less but I'm lazy and prefer to just chuck it and add new wick if needed.
Either way with only 14 inches left of my initial 2 foot order I just ordered 3 feet more today.
So I should be set for the next 25 months ........
I love this stuff.
I too use nothing but the 3mm wick ...... I don't see any reason to go with the smaller wick.
With spaced ugly coils at 1.2 ohms I can get 5-6 really great hits off the 3mm wick set-up.
I wrap with a mandrel in the wick and make sure I leave it in until all adjustments are done. Then slide the mandrel out and I can look right through the wick and it gives me a warm fuzzy "juice straw" kinda feeling
First of all, gotta say one of the things that impresses me and should producers of synthetic wick media is how open minded and dedicated some of you have remained to products like Nextel. It does show how open many of your small community are to innovation…and to the search for that great vape.
Rasci, I'm feelin' ya.
My beef with this post and rant is how little many in the resale and producer space understand the very products they sell and our difficulties and needs. Too many apparently operate on broad and pervasive assumptions many based on the observations of people just trying to learn right here and places like reddit. So we end up with the same regurgitated solutions that have abounded the past several years without any critical examination. Why? Well, because we relying upon it assume our suppliers should be the experts.
Contrary to videos made suggesting loose wicks work just fine with Nextel, ceramic wick requires good deflection of its surface for effective heat transmission from the wire to the juice and its surface. Yes, the surface. Why? Because ceramic wick is very conductive absorbing heat very effectively which aids flow and ultimately vaporization. If it's loose at all, despite it's swelling slightly (in the case of RxW) 5/64" for example remains a loose fit for slim (2mm). If spaced or hand wound in particular this may be too loose and/or irregularly loose producing open hot turns (shorts).
Short answer: Variations in temperature across the length of a wick, particularly a directional one like KGD or synthetic, disrupt its flow. Nextel ceramic wick benefits from a precise and uniform coil deflection fit.
Now let's use some common sense here. You have videos showing just how red hot Nextel can get (absorption). And gee that really should help vaporize something darned good, right? Then, we have videos sayin'…oh, loose as a goose. On the one hand good and hot with direct coil contact; on the other, it's going to be just right if it's sliding around in there on a layer of juice.
Crikey. Which is it?
Pardon me, the iron may be hot but you gotta hit the fabric to get the wrinkles out.
And here's another, there's no better way to stifle the flow of a directional synthetic like Eko than to over-wind it (too much deflection). Such as how? Well, by first compressing it by shooting some over-sized object down its core…then winding on it. We just don't have the hand precision to keep tension uniform as we do. And the mere effort to keep it consistent is enough to guarantee we crimp the fibers. Particularly with Ekowool whose fibers are less rigid than Nextel. And crimping as it happens with a wick is essentially the same as crimping your garden hose. Ain't gonna happen folks.
So here rasci I'd interject a question on how you wound your particular wick.
There is no slide on in proposition for Nextel or any other wick. Nextel's a huge improvement and why I have endorsed it as a solution for newcomers across many threads on ECF. But it's not killer solution. Incorrect information on what works that makes it seem simpler than it is...is not fair to consumers. An example would be to reject 3/32" (2.38mm) as a viable wind when in fact it's one of the most spectacularly productive for XC-116…as I adequately demonstred earlier on this thread…
'Nough said.
For the vape to be better (more vapor, density, flavor) — the gain in absorption created by turn separations in a non-microcoil or non-tensioned microcoil must result in a greater vapor production to offset the calculable loss of electrical efficiency attributable to an optimized electrical wind, one with proper deflection of the media. If it doesn't, and I remain the constant skeptic based on the math, I question the build as I'm doing here.
I'm suggesting to you what I know having built more than a fair number myself. In the ranges between 1/16 and 5/64 Nextel is favored by adequate deflection. And again contrary to suggestions, if it's loose at 5/64" (it works) but you will not see optimal performance. A proper precision tension coil, be it spaced or contact, will improve on that archaic obsolete hand-wind being used in videos. I would suggest those who would claim adequacy (or not) demonstrate that. Be they users in this forum or vendors in the vapesphere. Show us the vape!
So I'd rather not sit here and argue with you fine folks on the spaced premise. But it just can't have the same efficiency as a micro or tensioned micro contact coil. Some of you maintain that it's elemental for squonking. I don't test REO's I have to trust in your observations. However, from my readings here and elsewhere it seems to be a hit or miss proposition as evidenced by poster having dutifully followed instruction.
I know as a user that a loose hand or jig winds do work. In the same way that I know a loose battery connection in my car will work. But frankly in my opinion that's not going to get you the great vape you're looking for. And one of the first things we do is knock the wind. That's unfortunate because the wind, if anything at all, should be the measurable dependable constant that we can and should be able to rely upon. And that is precisely my point: Loose electrically faulty winds are not. They can't be duplicated. So how can we claim they have or will perform well?
If they were, if they did, then we as users could and would be reasonably looking to other issues like juice constituents, viscosity, air flow, juice delivery…if we had the standards electrically in place. I won't even get into the issues of predicting resistance which is key to our getting a great vape, temperature.
This is why I advocate tension winding with the hope we get that gorilla down on the mat. Get that simple wind consistently hitting your temperature target (favorite for your juice for example). Once you have a predictable consistent wind going, analyzing your build is easy peasy as they say.
I am not insisting there is no other way to make a coil. Merely that we have to have something that just works. Start there. Get that battery connected. Make sure you can measure it. Drive.
I'd be pleased to give the benefit of a doubt to the marketeers if they took the time to correct or update some of the misinformation they deposit in the internet universe. Unfortunately, this seldom happens but for a few.
Some of you are doing great! Try harder.
Good luck all.
After reading this post I promptly made a Tensioned wrapped micro call using, using what I can only assume, is your video on you tube. I then mounted it an RM2, screwed in the RXW and put a thin mandrel through the center. I then squonked about five or six times and proceeded to vape. I have been getting about 3 to four good hits per squonk which is about all I could reasonably expect. I am also getting the same on the spaced coil I wrapped yesterday. That coil took a lot longer to break in, why I have no idea. I am in the process of doing a side by side comparison and will post as to whether or not I perceive a significant difference.
Mac I certainly appreciate all the knowledge imparted by you on this subject.
Thank you for your advise. It has gotten better and I intend on getting the 3mm soon.
Thanks neighbor. We try to share as best we can rasci. I hate to see people struggle.
It does take time to break in. Be patient and you will be rewarded. I agree that in an open atty, you have a better chance of attaining juice retention…well, with more wick, lol. So 3mm and 3/32" would be good. I'm experimenting with 2.2mm (#44 wire gauge). The more the deflection, the more symmetry required to take advantage of it. A 7/64" wind would be more akin to the most liberal deflection of 07" (51 wire gauge, or ~1.778mm) for slim or most clearomizers like the Protank. But note that you can actually improve flow and therefore a potentially higher output with more deflection (a slightly tighter fit or coil). And that's exactly why I'm exploring the little mentioned 2.2mm diameter.
Ceramic base drippers have huge potential. But I've struggled with my fav the Immortalizer getting the wick balance, temp and feeding right. So some of the best devices demand our special dedication. The RM2 no doubt's the same. I'm gaining interest daily thanks to all you who contribute here. Thank you.
I am a huge cotton fan, particularly KGD I gotta tell you. Thanks Russ, super_X_drifter for having the tenacity to introduce it to us. There are times and circumstances, like me over 40 mods, where cotton just don't fit (no time). I think a bit of most for both of us. Bit first and foremost, it just gotta work. So I favor getting the basics down. And being confident in that consistent temperature delivery is essential. The video of the tension wind (just one possible example actually, there are many effective methods) was made by super_X for which I'm grateful on behalf of all new vapers. Thanks again Russ.
Glad to help any time.
Good luck.
Is no one worried about using this stuff even after boiling the one I bought when i touch it it leaves fibers all over my fingers when you cut it you can see them flying everywhere so my question is wouldn't we be inhaling this stuff? It's a nice wick don't get me wrong I get really good flavor from it but my koh gen doh gives me just as good flavor and holds way more juice I'm not here to argue with anyone I'm just looking for answers because I do like using it but I'm just worried about those fibers
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