READYxWICK for non cotton people

[ltrainer]

OK I just send an inquiry to ReadyxWick. Here is what I asked:

We are having a discussion on the ECF about the safety of your readyxwick. Ventilation is one of the factors when heating the ceramic wick, not just temperature and duration. Is you oven(kiln) vented to meet the MSDS as stated in the heat cleaning instructions from 3M? Any information that you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thank you

 

[MacTechVpr]

Here's the heat cleaning instructions from 3m.
http://www.3m.com/market/industrial/ceramics/pdfs/heat_clean_treat_instructions.pdf

I highly doubt that any vape shop has the equipment (including fume hood / specified ventilation rates) to remove the burnt off sizing biproducts from the material. They may be removing the physical presence of the sizing but if not properly ventilated, it's essentially marinating in the vapors of it.

Cotton is in many products that are in constant contact with our lives. I believe it was also in cigarette filters (not sure) but yes your right, we really don't know.

But it's pretty clear that this product, Nextel ceramic, is not natural and not produced as something to be in contact with.

Who knows, the next time I go to the hospital with a large wound, I'll see if they wrap me up in Nextel ceramic

The product is absolutely unnatural in the extreme!

But supe I believe the fibers are too large to be respirable. Also from what I've read including the master's thesis of one Kimberly M Johnson, an expert on this technology, I concluded the material is not hazardous to humans but in fact precisely suitable for high temp electrical applications where there might be human contact with the process or materials.

WOW, I said last year, after reading all your stuff on close, then contact and ultimately micro coils…here is the electrical potential to actually drive such a productive wick material. So I set about to adapt the technology and optimize the electrical potentials to do it with Nextel as well as other candidate media.

And here we are supe finding ways to get people successfully enjoying the vaping lifestyle. I couldn't be happier to see that happen in the broadest sense possible. Although for many of us flavor sensitivities and a very busy lifestyle keep us from enjoying that diversity. There is where this product really shines. It's durability.

I do believe there is a remarkable potential for the producer/s to improve both the product and aspects of its preparation to ensure both its performance and compatibility. I hope they're paying attention to our needs and appreciate our interest.

In truth I remain always focused on the safety of all wicking products including variants of cotton and ceramic braid. We should always play close attention and inform ourselves when in doubt. Not all of us can or have the time. So some of us will have to roll up our sleeves and do the dirty work. For me it's been a pleasure.

I'm sure for you too.

Good luck.

 

[rudy4653]

printed from website:

Is a ceramic based wicking material that has been heat treated to well OVER the suggested heat treatment schedule of 1652°F for 12+ hours to ensure that we are producing the safest product available on the market today. Our exact and proprietary heating method and schedule (Time, Temp, and Steps) is a protected secret, but we have spent months and literally thousands of feet of XC perfecting and producing the absolute best results with our unique and proprietary treatment schedule and method.
During this process the toxins are released from the material and the fibers are bonded together. This process is absolutely necessary. Any untreated XC-116 should never be used, for ANYTHING.

 

[rudy4653]

Gotta admit the motor oil burn video that RBA supplies has is very impressive!

 

[Filthy-Beast]

FB, you hand wrapped that around the 2mm ReadyxWick with something inside the wick? Or did you wrap the coil, then insert the wick? If I can figure out how yours was made, maybe I can duplicate your results.

Thanks.

I've been doing both. That one was done with the smallest mandrel from the Coil gizmo. I think it's 1mm. So yes a pin inserted and then gizmo wrapped. It got all buggered up try to insert into the Z configuration for the Chalice.

 

[super_X_drifter]

3m does not want us using their product for wicking media in vaping applications.

Call them (800) 234-8068

Try to buy it direct. You will get served.

Here is a vendor that was contacted in the past to direct buy because it's a hell of a lot cheaper. They'll serve ya too in a return email when you order. They wanna know what you are using it for. Just look at the disclaimers on this pic. I'll all but guarantee the vape shop had to lie their ... off to get the stuff.

Those type of things are all it took for me to abandon the product.

 

[Big Hitter]

3m does not want us using their product for wicking media in vaping applications.

Call them (800) 234-8068

Try to buy it direct. You will get served.

Thats not surprising ...... They aren't going to open themselves up to that ......
They don't even need to consult their multimillion dollar legal team to ask if they should blow us off.

Everyone has to make their own decision regarding this stuff. Either way is cool with me ....

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Looks like something else I need to stock up on before it against the law for me to buy it.

 

[BlueSnake]

I'm sure glad I'm not using it for "food, cosmetic, medical, or pharmaceutical use".

 

[Filthy-Beast]

I'm sure glad I'm not using it for "food, cosmetic, medical, or pharmaceutical use".

I think I'm more worried about coating my lung with VG constantly than I'm worried about the ReadyxWick. But everybody has to make their own call since we don't have decades of history to go on.

 

[RattlerX]

No scientific study here but I applaud those that have done all the research and chosen what is a best fit for them and their lifestyle.

I like the consistency and simplicity I get from using RxW.

For those that do not get the flavor you are looking for try varying the amount of juice with unflavored…less is more in my case. If you have tried that and it did not work then build a higher ohm coil. I have some juice that is just better on a 1.1ohm coil than on a .7ohm. Out of 12 REO's I have only had an issue with one coil/wick. It would not wick well while chain vaping and squonking often. On this particular coil I used a smaller mandrel and lower ohm. I believe it could have been a combination of being too tight, lower ohm, with a wick cut shorter than normal that caused my repeated dry hits. I pulled the coil made a new one and it has been perfect ever since. I have only replaced 3 coils/wicks since this thread started and two of them were because I wanted to try out the SO kit and scortch my lungs.

My typical set-up is: 9 tight wraps on a 1/16 drill bit using 28ga. (1.1ohm). I heat the coil and squeeze together until tight. The length of my wick is approximately .4inch or 10mm. I thread the 2mm RxW through the coil. My coil is positioned lower to the deck and out to the edge. I like the air hole centered on the coil if possible.

Good luck to you

 

[ltrainer]

OK I just send an inquiry to ReadyxWick. Here is what I asked:

We are having a discussion on the ECF about the safety of your readyxwick. Ventilation is one of the factors when heating the ceramic wick, not just temperature and duration. Is you oven(kiln) vented to meet the MSDS as stated in the heat cleaning instructions from 3M? Any information that you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thank you

Below is the reply I received from Jeremy at RBA Supplies. I have directed him to this thread as well. Below:

Greetings Laurin,

Yes, as the 3m document suggests, are kilns are properly vented. It is important not only or the treatment of the material itself, but also for the surrounding area. This stuff is VERY smelly when it is being properly kiln treated. You would NEVER want to treat it in a non-ventilated area, even in a properly ventilated area, it still produces a very strong odor when being treated AND you have to plan very carefully to operate and treat the material when the ventilated air that is extracted won't effect anyone outside of your treatment area as well. These are all factors which come into play when properly treating the material, and are further illustration of why every Tom, ...., and Harry should NOT be trying to properly treat the material themselves. The fumes can be very harmful if proper care and safety precautions are not taken.

Where is the thread on ECF that you are following on this, I'd like to take a look.

Thanks,

Jeremy
Owner - RBA Supplies LLC

 

[Zurd]

I also noticed, when I tried, bought and ultimately gave away several feet of this product early last year, that if you look closely at your fingertips under a bright light after handling this stuff you will see tiny crystals.

Bought several feet last month and they have this problem, I reported it about 2 weeks ago. It should be fine since it's pretty much always in liquid and the crystal will not be able to rise but I'm still concern about it.

 

[Zurd]

Cotton has it own issues as well. Is there a guarantee that the cotton we use is as advertised? Is it handled after being grown in a safe fashion? What about inhaling cotton fibers? What happens if you burn and inhale it? I don't know. We have to, to some degree, take it all faith.

I thought this was discussed quite a bit and it came down that inhaling cotton is fine, if it ever happens, because cotton dissolve in the lungs. At least, that's what I've understood

 

[ltrainer]

Some studies have shown that cotton does not dissolve in the lungs. Because its organic does not mean that it dissolves. It can leave cellulose in the lungs contributing to interstitial lung disease. HOwever these are studies that looked at cotton workers working with cotton, mostly unprocessed cotton, for many years. But its my understanding that it does not dissolve. In processed cotton, because the fibers are long most if it gets caught by the nasal passages and celia in the lungs.

I'm not advocating any wicking material here. People can and will choose whatever the want to use. I think its good though to have a discussion and gather whatever information that we can.

 

[Raynman]

This is what I received via email from Jeremy.

"Not by me. I've tried to get them to respond to my request to get their fine product with no luck. I wanted to get 2 5' lengths of it and because I can not change their Indiana to In. My CC says it doesn't match my address and won't let the transaction take place. Tried to contact them and I've had no response. Rob would never do that."

This after only 1 day of not responding to your email from an email that was sent on a Sunday at almost midnight...

I'm sorry that you felt it necessary to make it appear that we are unresponsive because we took less than a day to respond to your email.

I am sorry that you are having a difficult time with the credit processing fraud protection. It is in place to protect the $ of our customers. I for one appreciate when companies make the effort to protect my money.

Have a good day sir.

- Jeremy

This was my reply back to him.

It wasn't this email I was referring to it was the one on your site. Over a week ago. Please don't get snippy with me. I want to get your product and will do what ever is necessary to try your product. Have a great day

All I was saying is this person is not Rob by any stretch of the imagination. I would think instead of getting an email saying he was sorry it wasn't working for me and for the most part blowing me off. I would think the ModFather would try to find a way to make it work not only to move his product but just because that's the kind of guy he is. Jeremy If you read this don't take it as a knock on you. You've done well by others just not by me and I will get and use your product. I'll just have to find my own workaround to do so. I will get this from RBA but customer service isn't their strongest point in my opinion only.

 

[jifjifjif]

ReadyxWick is working well for me for the first time.

I used the smallest mandrel in the Artistic Coil Gizmo through the center of some 3mm ReadyxWick and hand warpped an ugly coil of about 6 wraps and then mounted the whole thing into the RM2. It came out to be .76 ohms. It's wicking well and tasting quite good.

So glad I got it to work for me.

 

[BlueSnake]

This is what I received via email from Jeremy.

"Not by me. I've tried to get them to respond to my request to get their fine product with no luck. I wanted to get 2 5' lengths of it and because I can not change their Indiana to In. My CC says it doesn't match my address and won't let the transaction take place. Tried to contact them and I've had no response. Rob would never do that."

This after only 1 day of not responding to your email from an email that was sent on a Sunday at almost midnight...

I'm sorry that you felt it necessary to make it appear that we are unresponsive because we took less than a day to respond to your email.

I am sorry that you are having a difficult time with the credit processing fraud protection. It is in place to protect the $ of our customers. I for one appreciate when companies make the effort to protect my money.

Have a good day sir.

- Jeremy

This was my reply back to him.

It wasn't this email I was referring to it was the one on your site. Over a week ago. Please don't get snippy with me. I want to get your product and will do what ever is necessary to try your product. Have a great day

All I was saying is this person is not Rob by any stretch of the imagination. I would think instead of getting an email saying he was sorry it wasn't working for me and for the most part blowing me off. I would think the ModFather would try to find a way to make it work not only to move his product but just because that's the kind of guy he is. Jeremy If you read this don't take it as a knock on you. You've done well by others just not by me and I will get and use your product. I'll just have to find my own workaround to do so. I will get this from RBA but customer service isn't their strongest point in my opinion only.

Did you ever stop to think if he gets it to work for you then it might not work for everyone else in your state. Cards are processed by processing companies not by the vendor themselves. Wouldn't it be easier for you to amend your card information to match what his system wants?

 

[MacTechVpr]

Some studies have shown that cotton does not dissolve in the lungs. Because its organic does not mean that it dissolves. It can leave cellulose in the lungs contributing to interstitial lung disease. HOwever these are studies that looked at cotton workers working with cotton, mostly unprocessed cotton, for many years. But its my understanding that it does not dissolve. In processed cotton, because the fibers are long most if it gets caught by the nasal passages and celia in the lungs.

I'm not advocating any wicking material here. People can and will choose whatever the want to use. I think its good though to have a discussion and gather whatever information that we can.

I agree with you iTrainer and thanks for that clarification, because it's an important one about cotton workers. I found no credible evidence aspirating the infinitesimally minute amounts of cotton we're exposed to will lead to chronic illness. Still I found all wick media irritating to some extent as I got accustomed to it. That's my personal experience and opinion. So I am appropriately careful with every alternative and experiment. We each need to exercise due diligence and not assume that role for others well being but to help educate where we can.

I spent months stalking ECF and other forums before and after quitting July last year. Of paramount concern to me where the safety issues. Just as importantly was the degree of misinformation and alarmist reactions to it within our own vaping community. You see, I was a cigarette smoker and I spent a lifetime dealing with that bullish!t. And we none of us need any more of it. I can't imagine an ex-smoker vaper that wouldn't have our back on that one in a heart-beat. So I think we all need to exhibit a greater level of care and caution about what we put out there than those that, for whatever their motives, disparage vaping in any of its facets. We have enough problems we've already solved getting where we are. We don't need more. And compounding problems with inaccuracy is not one of them.

That said there was a lot of inflamed discussion on forums last year as it seemed interest in wicking alternatives exploded in the wake of the silica scare. And a great deal of it was not constructive. In fact some dissuaded me from even looking at ecig's for a time. That's a shame when you think about it. Brash broad statements about an media's suitability or safety are not helpful. Secondly, inserting our personal preferences in lieu of or as a substitute for proper edification isn't either. One's personal preferences are not always going to coincide with or reflect the best possible outcome for any given vaper…unfortunately, no matter how fabulous. And that includes cotton and Nextel.

So in the end I'll agree with you, mostly. I'll applaud every exceptional option proudly but hit ya over the head to inform yourself…and prove all things.

Just sayin' and good luck to y'all.

 

[Raynman]

I was going to try my Cyclone out for the first time when I get my LP TRA. But I bought a Patriot from FB and he added a dual coil .6 ohm with RxW and that might get first vape.