real VTC5 and AW IMR batteries - the elephant in the room

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I know better than to argue with you :D (I'd have better luck getting a useful response back from a broken stick).

As a vendor, you are responsible for doing the necessary due diligence on any products you sell. Without doing so, you put others at risk.

Us, as well as many others have done this due diligence on products such as AW, Efest, etc.

We personally don't carry Sony's because those, unlike AW and EFest are very difficult to find non-fakes, and we don't risk with our customers well-being on whether or not they may or may not be real. We don't know for sure, we don't carry it.

That's not the same thing as carrying a product like the AW batteries, which have a proven track record.

Yes, Mr "Andrew Wan" re-wraps his batteries, but he does so with high quality cells that can deliver to their specs, and then tests them every time; hence we are comfortable in carrying them.

I actually had an AW 18650 short on me a few days ago, it was sitting on the table and got in contact with some loose change. Guess what ? It didn't explode! It simply huffed and puffed and burnt out.

This is the second time in a week, on two different forums that I've seen you derail a thread due to your "Battery Safety" expertise. If you were so much an expert, you'd spew some useful information once in a while :) (For knowing it all, you didn't know how to move over a database? Shame.)

I have no clue how you're still allowed to participate on this forum, and even less of an idea why anyone would ever purchase from a bitter, know-it-all like yourself.

Like I said before, I'd HATE to have a beer with you.

Cheers!

Then take it from one...

Nothing make you bitter quicker than getting burnt from not knowing what you are doing. ;)

Not really much of a stretch, or even "bitter" logic to suggest products from China may not be as advertised. Just plain old common (or maybe not so common) sense.

If you still disagree, I have a $500 Rolex for you. - even says Rolex on it.

Of course you wouldn't fall for that, order your Rolex from China rather than Rolex so why would you on batteries?

Its what this whole topic boils down to.. If you want the Sony batteries, order them from Sony!! Oh they won't sell them to you? Its a loud and clear message to you then.
 

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Us, as well as many others have done this due diligence on products such as AW, Efest, etc.

I know you believe that. And their lies the problem....

Just like the rest of the mechanical mod vendors selling ticking time bombs - you really do think saying something like that in the adsence of any proof, and in the face of every legitimate manufacture saying the opposite is the answer.

Simple reading of the eFest website says do to use these batteries is unregulated devises. If something as simple as reading the website wasn't included in your due diligence, please tell me what you actually did. You looked at the pictures maybe?

So what's your real story, Dec 2013 you buy your first e-cig, Feb 2014 you open a store, Apr 2014 you are now an expert on everything LOL

What the saying, if it doesn't look like know what you are doing, keep your mouth shut, rather than opening and removing all doubt? ;)

I am flatter however how you follow me around to every forums to correct my ignorance with your "due diligence" LOL

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Seems you have a AW 18650 IMR 2000MAH HIGH-DISCHARGE BATTERY - on your site. But you don't even list the maximum discharge rate for it. You don't have that spec for any of your AW batteries. Do you even know? And you tell me you did any due diligence?

You make the comment "Do not short these cells out as they will release a great amount of current" how is one to prevent this when they just twisted up a 0.0001 ohm contraption using parts purchased from you, and they don't have a multimeter to test, nor do they even know what an ohm is?

On your EFEST 18350 700MAH PURPLE WRAPPER you list the max discharge at 10.5 amps which you put in bold. I am assuming you bold it because you feel its important (guess not with AWs). So since this is important how is one to make sure they are not exceeding that limit while using one of your mechanical and hand wrapped sub-ohm products? Do you suggest, look, taste, sound or touch?

You have two AW 18650 batteries. Can you explain (from your due diligence of course) how two batteries of the same size, and I assume the same chemistry (your site doesn't say any different, you are welcome to expand on the chemistry now) how one has 20% more capacity than the other?

When you have sold all the components for a pipe bomb (shopping list below) do you really expect to not be found liable if it goes off causing injury and damage?

http://www.dashvapes.com/products/rebuildables+and+mods/23/smok+kronos/262/837
http://www.dashvapes.com/products/b...18650+imr+1600+mah+high-drain+battery/149/460
http://www.dashvapes.com/products/rebuildables+and+mods/23/youde+igo-l/51/32
http://www.dashvapes.com/products/r...e+kanthal+a-1+resistance+wire+-+30ft/280/1382
 
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Obviously you ALL need some guidance in this area.. Use my 9 Step Beginners Guide to success with Li Ion Batteries. I've lost some of my notes, but you all seem kind of smart so you can probably fill in the blanks.

Step 1: Buy the battery

Step 2: Acquire this device. (They are expensive, & you probably can't afford it. I think they are sold at Saks)
$_35.JPG

Step 3: Attach the battery to it.

Step 4: ??????

Step 5: ??????

Step 6: Profit.

Step 7: Roll around in the Profit.

*You can skip steps 2-5.

Thanks..

Note to the OP. We wholesale the batteries. They are legit. I bought them in China. Very full power. Shoot me a PM if you need some.
 

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It was there from the start, I didn't need to change anything.

We already established that AW rewraps other batteries, does that not answer the HOW for you?

You're grasping at straws, and you're terrible at it.

Last post :) Cheers!

Good boy, you went back and updated your site. Can't say you didn't learn anything from me.

Now, can you explain what "8C" means as a rate of discharge? ;) "C" means something - just not sure if you know it as its a very impractical way to show current when you have all the other variables to express it in a much more useful (and one that you can measure) unit.

Hint - 8C will apply to the chemistry, but that isn't too helpful unless you extrapolate it to the size of the battery. And unfortunately with that it brings up the nasty question of how two batteries the same size, with the same chemistry, from the same manufacture, having the same discharge rate can have a different capacity.

Kept the temper in check son. Anger/throwing out names show frustration and that you have been beat. At very least keep your game face on. Just looking out for you if you know it or not.
 

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Can is the classic definition of a troll...and he's good at it.....probably the only thing he is good at....but he successfully sucks us all in to his sad and lonely world. Its tough but we must learn to ignore...

Anybody ever see a definition that fits somebody so perfectly?

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In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
 

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