Really?

[Foggy Road]

Yeah I too am looking forward to the innovation of folks blowing their entire head off rather than just their face.

 

[Bad Ninja]

It's interesting that so many people are against a 300W device. As some of the old-timers have pointed out, the exact same things were said only a few years ago about 20W devices, then 30W devices, then 50W devices, etc.

Of course, back then it was considered "insane" to build a coil lower than 0.5 ohm (yes, build only, because sub-ohm tanks weren't even a thing).

I say bring it. People will find a way to use the extra power, mass-market toppers will come out that require it, and everyone will complain about the new 500W device because "there's no reason I'll ever need more than 275 watts!"

Heres the thing:
If you understand how your gear actually works, you really dont need all that power to get the same results.

Vaping at 300watts says " I dont really understand what Im doing".

 

[YoursTruli]

Competition.

Evolv could have introduced the programming features in a DNA40 but the product would have been largely ignored because of the lower power. I didn't consider the DNA200 because of form factor and battery requirements. I want Evolv's programing features in a single cell mod. I've heard there may be a DNA75 on the way.

I wish I could get a 40 watt version of the firmware for my vtc mini. Then the cutoff voltage could be set a bit lower for the sake of endurance without compromising headspace. I never go above 40 watts. Actually I never go above 30 watts.

Cloud competitions should have a 15 watt catagory to show what can be done at lower watts.

Personally I would much rather see vaping move away (way away) from being a competition sport back to OH I don't know sayyyyy just as a way to quit smoking... maybe? I mean after all not to point out the obvious or anything but it was it's intended purpose and as we move further and further away from that it is becoming generally less and less acceptable and the laws/regulations are becoming stricter and stricter... coincidence... OH I don't know... maybe.

 

[vapo jam]

Heres the thing:
If you understand how your gear actually works, you really dont need all that power to get the same results.

Vaping at 300watts says " I dont really understand what Im doing".

I agree. I personally feel the same way for anything over 50 watts, as I can get bigger clouds with the right 1+ ohm build at 35 watts than the "clouds bro" guys at a vape shop running 150 watts.

Even if nothing else, though, the watt wars have already given us much better batteries than we had before. If battery quality is the only thing that improves with higher power mods, that's more than enough for me.

 

[YoursTruli]

I agree. I personally feel the same way for anything over 50 watts, as I can get bigger clouds with the right 1+ ohm build at 35 watts than the "clouds bro" guys at a vape shop running 150 watts.

Even if nothing else, though, the watt wars have already given us much better batteries than we had before. If battery quality is the only thing that improves with higher power mods, that's more than enough for me.

Honestly, I do not believe better batteries have anything to do with vaping/ecigs at all. The manufacturers will tell you they are against their batteries being used in ecigs and (I don't believe?) they were never intended to be sold (used) as a single cell unit.

 

[Steamix]

Is just the beginning... wrap about ten tons of organic cotton around the gateway arch in St. Louis ( factually a half turn coil at 0.000002608 ohms ) , use the nearby Mississippi to run sufficient juice supply to it, find a few power plants nearby that can deliver 200 megawatts or so and then...then you give dem ANTZ something they can really b... about

 

[jambi]

Myself, I'm getting ready for the 500W mod pre-sale, would there be a way to incorporate this ?
Amazon.com: Large Fire Resistant Lipo Battery Bag for Safe Charging & Storage - 175mm x 75mm x 55mm - Apex RC Products #8087: Toys & Games

I'm thinking something lined with lead might be even better. Or something along the lines of a scaled down fire safe.

Side note...it's better this is happening sooner than FDA later. Bring on the 500 watters now!

 

[vapo jam]

Honestly, I do not believe better batteries have anything to do with vaping/ecigs at all. The manufacturers will tell you they are against their batteries being used in ecigs and (I don't believe?) they were never intended to be sold (used) as a single cell unit.

I don't disagree with your statement; the batteries we use are re-purposed flashlight batteries. I'd imagine, though, that we're a large enough market segment that the manufacturers aren't ignoring us (regardless of what they say due to legal and/or marketing perception issues).

Either way, I feel much more comfortable (and get better performance out of) the VTC's, HE's, and HB's of today than the AW's of just a couple years ago.

 

[YoursTruli]

I don't disagree with your statement; the batteries we use are re-purposed flashlight batteries. I'd imagine, though, that we're a large enough market segment that the manufacturers aren't ignoring us (regardless of what they say due to legal and/or marketing perception issues).

Either way, I feel much more comfortable (and get better performance out of) the VTC's, HE's, and HB's of today than the AW's of just a couple years ago.

Oh, I still use the AW's daily in my mods and they work great for me

 

[puffon]

I'd like to see more refinement in current boards.
How about a TC board that can recognize wire used and/or the correct TCR for it.
How about a board that is durable and juice proof.
Lots of room for improvement, not just more wattage.

 

[Steamix]

I'd like to see more refinement in current boards.
How about a TC board that can recognize wire used and/or the correct TCR for it.
How about a board that is durable and juice proof.
Lots of room for improvement, not just more wattage.

I'm with you on that.

But the makers also want to cater to the show-off crowd

Huge number showing on the display kinda grabs them better than a juice-tight encased controller that one can't show off without taking the whole thing apart

Any DIYer can tickle his/her juice towards still delivering on hi-ohmage dinky gear, so wattage alone isn't the holy grail of a perfect vape...

Best shaver in the world will earn you runner-up in the Arafat look-a-like contest if the blades are dull ...

 

[BreSha6869]

Well, considering there are here in the valley a lot of talk of people all glossy eyed at the few 2s, 3s, and 4s max LiPo boxes that can potentially, "Potentially" the key word, crank out close to 1700watts, and these people regularly use these at very hot builds. Thus the usage of their Mason and larger 40mm attys, doing 1 to 2 second pulls and cloud comping with them. 300plus watts is mainly for the younger crowd that are young, dum, and full of...... that have to show what they are lacking upstairs as well as downstairs. Have my 15watt, 20watt, 30watt, 50watt, 75watt, 150watt, and 200watt devices yes, but even on the 150 and 200 watt devices I am still not pushing above 70watts on a regular basis.

300 and 350watt available devices now, I am like many, I'm going to sit back and just let the market pass me by this round until the next true innovation, say more refined TC or better coil systems like these newer ceramic coils starting to land on the market.

Innovation is what I am waiting for too.

If every new round of mods is just more and more wattage with no regard to making TC actually work perfectly, I will just stick with my 75W SX Mini and watch people cough up a lung hitting 0.05ohms at 500W.

A quality touch screen? WiFi update capabilities? These are the things I would want over the same old same old but with 500W.

 

[beckdg]

Yeah I too am looking forward to the innovation of folks blowing their entire head off rather than just their face.

Entire head?



Tapatyped

 

[YoursTruli]

I can kinda picture vaping at 500W

although I would probably look like this even at a low 250W

 

[sawlight]

I actually do have a buddy that vapes all day at 200w and higher, all multiple battery mods, all coils .2 ohm's and lower. He's a cloud chaser, whatever.
I've no need for this thing, I'm holding out for 1-2kw to come out, I could use a portable welder that size.
Seems everyone has already forgotten this video from a few years ago.
[Moderated to remove video due to language]

Moderator's note: Just google legalvape4000

 

[Bad Ninja]

Any DIYer can tickle his/her juice towards still delivering on hi-ohmage dinky gear, so wattage alone isn't the holy grail of a perfect vape...

Its not some magic DIY juice.

Its easier to just learn how the gear works.
One reason people need higher wattage is to fire thoee ungodly exotic coils.
Lots of metal to heat requires lots of watts.
They look cool..... But are horribly inefficient.
Dual parallel coils with thinner guage wire will perform far better across the board than exotic Alien Clapton type exotic coils and wont require hundreds of watts to fire.
Know your gear.

 

[YoursTruli]

I actually do have a buddy that vapes all day at 200w and higher, all multiple battery mods, all coils .2 ohm's and lower. He's a cloud chaser, whatever.
I've no need for this thing, I'm holding out for 1-2kw to come out, I could use a portable welder that size.
Seems everyone has already forgotten this video from a few years ago.
[Moderated to remove video due to language]

Moderator's note: Just google legalvape4000

I still laugh like crazy every time I see that video!

 

[herb]

LOL, i always get a kick out of the " must obtain most powerful mod on planet " type of mindset some vapors have , to each their own as they say .

I will never ever understand what the big freaking deal is with a cloud anyway but to them it's everything .

 

[YoursTruli]

The Human Fog Machine by Ryan Jones
3000 Watt Box Mod
He is still making and selling these custom mods.

 

[sparkky1]

Competition.

Evolv could have introduced the programming features in a DNA40 but the product would have been largely ignored because of the lower power. I didn't consider the DNA200 because of form factor and battery requirements. I want Evolv's programing features in a single cell mod. I've heard there may be a DNA75 on the way.

I wish I could get a 40 watt version of the firmware for my vtc mini. Then the cutoff voltage could be set a bit lower for the sake of endurance without compromising headspace. I never go above 40 watts. Actually I never go above 30 watts.

Cloud competitions should have a 15 watt catagory to show what can be done at lower watts.

If I am firing a coil at 5v with a mod that has a 4.2v input voltage, then we are doing what is called Boosting. This is brutal on batteries, horribly power inefficient, and requires a lot of current (amps) to do.

If I am firing a coil at 5v with a mod that has an input voltage of 12.6v, then that is great. There is plenty of voltage on hand, this is easy on the batteries, and doesn't waste as much power, or generate as much heat as Boosting. This is called Bucking because you are bucking the voltage down.

So Bucking / Boosting, what does this mean in terms of the mods we use? For the 4.2v input example, we are not even starting with a power supply that has the desired output voltage. What this means is that current (amp) wise we are asking a lot, and as our voltage gets lower and lower, we are using more current to boost up to that desired 5v, resulting in lower battery life. The deader your mod gets the quicker it dies.

Now take the 12.6v example, and lets say it has a 9.6v cutoff (3.2v per cell) then what does that mean? That means that throughout the entire life of that mods charge, we are well above the desired output voltage of 5v. This means you get FAR better power efficiency, a more even discharge curve, and a mod that doesn't die exponentially faster the lower its batteries get.[/QUOTE]