Really?

[BreSha6869]

LOL, i always get a kick out of the " must obtain most powerful mod on planet " type of mindset some vapors have , to each their own as they say .

I will never ever understand what the big freaking deal is with a cloud anyway but to them it's everything .

As a relatively new vaper (almost 6 months), I got sucked into the 200W madness early on and I think a lot of new vapers do the same. Clouds are cool, but buying the biggest, baddest and what's percieved to be "the best" is human nature for many people.

I bought a Snow Wolf because it looked cool, was all the rage at the time and I honestly thought buying 200W was almost "future proofing" and I would need it down the road as technology evolved. Same with a pair of RX200's. They were cheap, but the 3 battery thing was cool and again, if the industry was going to 200W, who was I to say that I would never need it.

A few months later? Nope, I will never need 200W. MAYBE 100W if I am feeling frisky (or after a bunch of drinks). Unless coil technology changes completely, I am totally happy vaping between 10 and 70W.

 

[herb]

As a relatively new vaper (almost 6 months), I got sucked into the 200W madness early on and I think a lot of new vapers do the same. Clouds are cool, but buying the biggest, baddest and what's percieved to be "the best" is human nature for many people.

I bought a Snow Wolf because it looked cool, was all the rage at the time and I honestly thought buying 200W was almost "future proofing" and I would need it down the road as technology evolved. Same with a pair of RX200's. They were cheap, but the 3 battery thing was cool and again, if the industry was going to 200W, who was I to say that I would never need it.

A few months later? Nope, I will never need 200W. MAYBE 100W if I am feeling frisky (or after a bunch of drinks). Unless coil technology changes completely, I am totally happy vaping between 10 and 70W.

I expect newbies to listen to long time vapors and buy what they recommend , unfortunately they very rarely recommend whats best for a brand new vapor looking to experience e cigs for the first time .

Many B&M shops also make this mistake , fact is, when first starting out nobody is going to know what their preferred type of vape is going to be , it takes lots of experimentation .

I have high wattage devices and have tried sub ohm and have been vaping for quite some time now , i am still using a mod that reaches a max of 20 watts but it provides a very satisfying vape and does what i need it to do .

 

[YoursTruli]

I expect newbies to listen to long time vapors and buy what they recommend , unfortunately they very rarely recommend whats best for a brand new vapor looking to experience e cigs for the first time .

Many B&M shops also make this mistake , fact is, when first starting out nobody is going to know what their preferred type of vape is going to be , it takes lots of experimentation .

I have high wattage devices and have tried sub ohm and have been vaping for quite some time now , i am still using a mod that reaches a max of 20 watts but it provides a very satisfying vape and does what i need it to do .

and I think this is key, if more experienced vapers and the B&Ms would all take it down a notch this race to higher and higher watts would be a thing of the past, a blip in the history of vaping, but I do not ever see it happening unless it is forced to by the coming regulations. Vaping could easily return to just a way to stop smoking again and a hobby for some, honestly I do not know how it ever strayed this far off the path.

 

[Hitmetwice]

honestly I do not know how it ever strayed this far off the path.

It's probably a rhetorical question but.. modders innovating and pushing limits and boundaries, along with China picking up on it, improving(or not), mass producing on the cheap.
Maybe part of it.
They're just following the money, nothing new there.Cheers.

 

[IMFire3605]

I expect newbies to listen to long time vapors and buy what they recommend , unfortunately they very rarely recommend whats best for a brand new vapor looking to experience e cigs for the first time .

Many B&M shops also make this mistake , fact is, when first starting out nobody is going to know what their preferred type of vape is going to be , it takes lots of experimentation .

I have high wattage devices and have tried sub ohm and have been vaping for quite some time now , i am still using a mod that reaches a max of 20 watts but it provides a very satisfying vape and does what i need it to do .

The problem there in lies two factors, the B&M owner and the fact the employees the owner hires. The owner, most of them are in this to make a fast chunk of change and move on to the next hot trend. Most employees you see in a B&M are the younger, guaged earings, nose pierced, tatooed up, look like they haven't shaved since puberty hit them 5 years ago. Working in a vape shop myself, new face walks in the door I am lobbing loaded questions over the bow to get a feel for their needs, not what they feel they need due to their buddy saying yeah man, get this cool quad battery, XXX Watt mod with this XXXXXXX tank or XXXXXX atomizer.

Customer - yeah I heard about these could work, what can I get?
Question Back - You smoking or currently smoking, do hookah, smokeless tobacco??
Customer - Yeah I smoke, about pack a day Newport Menthols. (Info - Menthol, tobacco, mint flavor, maybe a coffee or possibly savory like a custard or stawberries and cream, beginner setup 12 to 18mg nicotine)
Customer - Yeah my buddy or coworker has one, big thing that just fogs, not really into carrying a remote control, oh hey this looks interesting (points to example an Ego Mega One setup (step down, 12mg just became a 3 to 6mg, 18mg just became a 6mg)
Reply Back - yes, a great starter kit, depending on your budget I can show you some similar setups that do not break the bank, are you looking to fog it up or just control the cig cravings, flavor, a combination of them all? (New vaper I let them control the product direction and presentation, boss hates I don't push the latest and greatest big cloudtastic that is more expensive, yeah I could push the 200plus dollar sale all day long, but I look at the customer reviews, best to get them in a cheaper setup to get them going and off the cigs, if they step up later they step up, still a return customer)

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Why not just give us a 500w box mod which uses a single 18650 already

I'd like to know what is wrong with a 300W or 500W box mod?

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I vape the highest @95w and as low as 50w and will have no need for more than 200w in my devices no need at all

When I started Sept 2015 I vaped at 45W to 55W on a 75W Sigelei. That lasted for abt a month on a 75W single battery device using Aspire Atlanis II tanks.

I was disappointed in always having to change the battery so I bought a 150W Sigelei device, and an RDA. Within the next few months I moved from 55W to 75W to 90W to 120W, and I don't use my tanks that much.

I just bought a Twisted Messes Squared RDA (and will probably by at least one more for a backup), and have a Sigelei 213 on preorder. I'm also looking to buy a few Aspire Cleito tanks. When I get the new setup, I'd imagine I'll be at least at 150W and a third battery would be great. If Sigelei comes out with a 3 battery unit... I'll probably buy it.

 

[sawlight]

The problem there in lies two factors, the B&M owner and the fact the employees the owner hires. The owner, most of them are in this to make a fast chunk of change and move on to the next hot trend. Most employees you see in a B&M are the younger, guaged earings, nose pierced, tatooed up, look like they haven't shaved since puberty hit them 5 years ago. Working in a vape shop myself, new face walks in the door I am lobbing loaded questions over the bow to get a feel for their needs, not what they feel they need due to their buddy saying yeah man, get this cool quad battery, XXX Watt mod with this XXXXXXX tank or XXXXXX atomizer.

Customer - yeah I heard about these could work, what can I get?
Question Back - You smoking or currently smoking, do hookah, smokeless tobacco??
Customer - Yeah I smoke, about pack a day Newport Menthols. (Info - Menthol, tobacco, mint flavor, maybe a coffee or possibly savory like a custard or stawberries and cream, beginner setup 12 to 18mg nicotine)
Customer - Yeah my buddy or coworker has one, big thing that just fogs, not really into carrying a remote control, oh hey this looks interesting (points to example an Ego Mega One setup (step down, 12mg just became a 3 to 6mg, 18mg just became a 6mg)
Reply Back - yes, a great starter kit, depending on your budget I can show you some similar setups that do not break the bank, are you looking to fog it up or just control the cig cravings, flavor, a combination of them all? (New vaper I let them control the product direction and presentation, boss hates I don't push the latest and greatest big cloudtastic that is more expensive, yeah I could push the 200plus dollar sale all day long, but I look at the customer reviews, best to get them in a cheaper setup to get them going and off the cigs, if they step up later they step up, still a return customer)

And this is why I like to make a "party" out of it, if you will. No disrespect, and I certainly appreciate the way you go about it for sure! But I try to get a few people that want to vape over, then have some friends bring their gear over. The newbies can sit around and try different things, different sizes, different flavors, etc, and we can help point them in a direction that will work best for them. That's one thing that sucks about vape shops IMO. Sure, they can sample most of the flavors in the lounge, and that's HUGE! But they don't get the feel of how airy or tight a draw a different atty might have, they don't get the sense of how fast this heats up, or how this one takes a bit to warm up, then you hit it. Or, "Hey, this is great, because I like mouth to lung!" Or the other person wants huge lung hits!
It's almost like there is too much variety now, it's overwhelmingly confusing for new vapors! I've watched in local B&M's, "What's this one do, why's it so much more, my buddy has this but I don't want to spend that, how do I get there?" and so on. I've had newbie's that caught right on with mechs, I've had others that liked the box mods, and others that liked dripers. Until they can actually use the devices, it's hard to explain what each one is going to be like.
Again, I'm not picking on you guys selling the gear, it's a hard job, I know! I just like being able to have the person have an idea what they like/works for them, before we even head for the store. I'm fortunate to be able to do that, and I think they come away with a better working product, that suits their needs.
I harken back to the days when the hardest choice was what ohm cartomizer was in stock! If we could get the one we really wanted, it was a GREAT day! Now, it's just confusing!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Way back in 1988, I bought a new Mustang GT. 0 to 60 in around 6 seconds and 140 mph top speed, very high performance for its 14,000$ price tag at that time, though today it's probably pretty paltry.. Did I flog it 0 to 60 in 6 seconds? Admittedly, a few times, just to see what it felt like, or show off or whatever. Did I drive it at 140? Never. I did get it up to 125, but at that speed the rear end felt too loose for comfort. I could have gone faster, just seemed like a bad idea. Anyway, 80 was plenty fast for me on most days, but it was fun to know that I could go faster if I wanted to, even if I never wanted to.

Same thing with 200 watts. I never even vape at 100. I did vape at 150 once just to experience it, but 75 is about as high as I care or need to go with any setup, and daily driving it's more like 55-65. But it's nice to have something in my hands that can outperform...me.

300 watts outperforms me by a wide margin, when I already have 200 watt stuff that is More Than I'll Ever Need (right now at this moment anyway), but I'm glad it's on the market. Who knows what the future will bring for me. 18 months ago, I'd have thought 75 watts was Way Too Much Power, yet look where I am now. If I ever want 300 watts, it's nice to know it'll be there waiting.

I had a F1 Champion Moriwaki built Kaw GPZ 600 and I raced it everywhere, street, track, you name the time and place. I had an 87 notchback 5.0, and I saw 135 to 140 quite a few times. Then I bought a GSX-R750, and 0 to 60 was in the 3sec range, quarter in the 10's, top end was around 187MPH. I drove it like I stole it and street raced it every chance I got, morning, noon and night. And YES... I saw 187 MPH many times.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

just a mere 3 yrs ago everyone was wondering why we needed more than 20W....
15W was pleanty ...

I agree.

I vape alone or in front of my family who does not smoke. No pissing contest here with anyone. I do not hang out with anyone who smokes or vapes.

I don't care what anyone thinks or says with regard to high wattage vaping. They can all kiss my ___.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I'm with you on that.

But the makers also want to cater to the show-off crowd

Huge number showing on the display kinda grabs them better than a juice-tight encased controller that one can't show off without taking the whole thing apart

Any DIYer can tickle his/her juice towards still delivering on hi-ohmage dinky gear, so wattage alone isn't the holy grail of a perfect vape...

Best shaver in the world will earn you runner-up in the Arafat look-a-like contest if the blades are dull ...

Given I don't vape near anyone but family, avoid vape shops, and vape at 120W+, you would have to tell me what the "show off crowd" is all abt.

For me, I'll vape at whatever I please, as long as it properly atomizes the e-liquid. Only a fool would vape at a low wattage and get e-liquid in their mouth every time. The only way to beat that is with higher wattage.

 

[sawlight]

Given I don't vape near anyone but family, avoid vape shops, and vape at 120W+, you would have to tell me what the "show off crowd" is all abt.

For me, I'll vape at whatever I please, as long as it properly atomizes the e-liquid. Only a fool would vape at a low wattage and get e-liquid in their mouth every time. The only way to beat that is with higher wattage.

I don't understand this, "Only a fool would vape at low wattage......."
I regularly vape at low wattage, 11-15 watts, and I don't get e-juice in my mouth?

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I don't understand this, "Only a fool would vape at low wattage......."
I regularly vape at low wattage, 11-15 watts, and I don't get e-juice in my mouth?

It's called a sentence for a reason. It is one complete thought.

 

[YoursTruli]

I don't understand this, "Only a fool would vape at low wattage......."
I regularly vape at low wattage, 11-15 watts, and I don't get e-juice in my mouth?

Same, I vape at 10-11 watts tops and I never get e-juice in my mouth and I don't consider myself a fool, so, I am not sure what you are basing your statement
"Only a fool would vape at a low wattage and get e-liquid in their mouth every time. The only way to beat that is with higher wattage." on @Tommy-Chi ?

 

[sawlight]

It's called a sentence for a reason. It is one complete thought.

Yeah, thanks for not answering my question, I guess it was too thought provoking.

 

[IMFire3605]

And this is why I like to make a "party" out of it, if you will. No disrespect, and I certainly appreciate the way you go about it for sure! But I try to get a few people that want to vape over, then have some friends bring their gear over. The newbies can sit around and try different things, different sizes, different flavors, etc, and we can help point them in a direction that will work best for them...

You know, if more people did this, a lot, and I mean a lot of confusion would be removed from the equation, and props, I highly agree and support what you do there. I have such a wide vaping range of gear, standing joke at the shop, yeah you want to see a vape museum see this guy's collection he brings to work every day. I have that wide a gear range from my Reo Grande /w 306 atty, to Ego /w Protank Mini or Aspire CE5/Nautilus Mini, all the way up the chain to my 200watt devices and mechs. Just a simple put a tester tip on and let a customer try it out from old school to MTL to DTL style vaping, the more I can zero in a customer on a type of device that meets their budget, let them come in and answer questions or shoot vape talk for a few hours, the better off they are in the long run, and they most of the time come back every couple days because they do not feel they were ra***ed for a quick sale.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Yeah, thanks for not answering my question, I guess it was too thought provoking.

Jack... if I'm vaping at 120W, what would happen if I went down and vaped at 10 to 11 watts? Would I more than likely get a mouth full of e-liquid?

Jill... why are toole puffers commenting on high wattage vaping gear? Is it to start nonsensical arguments and then devolve to name calling?

It's the #1 reason I don't hang out on ECF as much as I would like. Too many a**hats.

 

[zoiDman]

I'd like to know what is wrong with a 300W or 500W box mod?

Nothing.

But why Draw the Line there? Why not push it All to the Center of the Table and go for a 1,000 Watts?

 

[sawlight]

Jack... if I'm vaping at 120W, what would happen if I went down and vaped at 10 to 11 watts? Would I more than likely get a mouth full of e-liquid?

Jill... why are toole puffers commenting on high wattage vaping gear? Is it to start nonsensical arguments and then devolve to name calling?

It's the #1 reason I don't hang out on ECF as much as I would like. Too many a**hats.

I have a variety of gear, I go 150w on occasion, right now I've got my Dripbox running at 70w. I like my Kayfun at 11-15w. It's all in what you are using and setting it up to work for you.
I haven't called anyone names, and I haven't been nonsensical in this. I simply asked how going to low wattage was going to get juice in my mouth. But is seems you want a fight, so have a nice day.

 

[beckdg]

And this is why I like to make a "party" out of it, if you will. No disrespect, and I certainly appreciate the way you go about it for sure! But I try to get a few people that want to vape over, then have some friends bring their gear over. The newbies can sit around and try different things, different sizes, different flavors, etc, and we can help point them in a direction that will work best for them. That's one thing that sucks about vape shops IMO. Sure, they can sample most of the flavors in the lounge, and that's HUGE! But they don't get the feel of how airy or tight a draw a different atty might have, they don't get the sense of how fast this heats up, or how this one takes a bit to warm up, then you hit it. Or, "Hey, this is great, because I like mouth to lung!" Or the other person wants huge lung hits!
It's almost like there is too much variety now, it's overwhelmingly confusing for new vapors! I've watched in local B&M's, "What's this one do, why's it so much more, my buddy has this but I don't want to spend that, how do I get there?" and so on. I've had newbie's that caught right on with mechs, I've had others that liked the box mods, and others that liked dripers. Until they can actually use the devices, it's hard to explain what each one is going to be like.
Again, I'm not picking on you guys selling the gear, it's a hard job, I know! I just like being able to have the person have an idea what they like/works for them, before we even head for the store. I'm fortunate to be able to do that, and I think they come away with a better working product, that suits their needs.
I harken back to the days when the hardest choice was what ohm cartomizer was in stock! If we could get the one we really wanted, it was a GREAT day! Now, it's just confusing!

I can relate.

I do the same party... but supply all the goods myself.

From 0mg juice to 50mg... whatever you need, I make it on the spot if necessary.

From 5.5 watts to 100. Pop a carto into the billet box, build a low ohm coil, genny, rda, rta, clearo... whatever works for you.

I'll even teach them how to build a coil, test it, test their nic base, send them home with a recipe or list of ingredients and supplies...

Whatever's necessary, I have in the lab.

Just stop by and we'll get you going.



LOVE that someone else takes a similar approach.

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