Regular Atty Drippers (A Dying Breed?)

[CheriePie]

After nearly a week, I finally made it through this entire thread and want to say thank you for all for all the great information contained here. I used to drip only when when testing juice flavors, and used a cheapo 901 LR atty from MVS or an 808 carto with the filler ripped out (both using an unsealed 510-901 adapter on my sigelei Zmax, would leak quite a bit onto my battery). Based on my reading here and my recent explorations into dripping, I've since upgraded my dripping setup to a 510 1.5 ohm Cisco Spec atty and drip shield from AvidVaper and do a lot more dripping when I'm at home, not just when flavor testing anymore. Hoping to eventually pick up another atty from EM as soon as some of the drip shields I like come in stock there.

Anyhoo, just wanted to say hey, and thanks again for this thread (and Mr.Mann for starting it). vape on dudes (and dudettes)!

 

[It's Only Me]

I'd like to echo the post of Cheriepie in saying thanks to Mr.Mann and the rest of the folks for a great thread.
I have been "practicing" dripping with ripped out 808 cartos till I got some real equipment. It's now a matter of when the vapemail gets here and I should be doing better.

I originally wanted to drip try the millions of flavors of juice I bought, but realize that it's a great method of vaping. Very simple.

 

[y cherry y]

After nearly a week, I finally made it through this entire thread and want to say thank you for all for all the great information contained here. I used to drip only when when testing juice flavors, and used a cheapo 901 LR atty from MVS or an 808 carto with the filler ripped out (both using an unsealed 510-901 adapter on my Sigelei Zmax, would leak quite a bit onto my battery). Based on my reading here and my recent explorations into dripping, I've since upgraded my dripping setup to a 510 1.5 ohm Cisco Spec atty and drip shield from AvidVaper and do a lot more dripping when I'm at home, not just when flavor testing anymore. Hoping to eventually pick up another atty from EM as soon as some of the drip shields I like come in stock there.

Anyhoo, just wanted to say hey, and thanks again for this thread (and Mr.Mann for starting it). Vape on dudes (and dudettes)!

While you're buying from Empire, try their Premium 901 atty (you'll need a 901>510 adapter too). It's the atty the drip shield was designed for, and the flavor it produces is the very best. Also, no break-in; it's at peak performance from the first drip.

 

[Faylool]

Found a 3.5 ohm 510 atty from Ikenvape that is wonderful for 5 volt vaping. It was out of stock and when it came in stock I bought two. Glad I did. Ready to vape, no breaking in to notice and I have plans to see this one last a long time! Time will tell

 

[Moueix]

Found a 3.5 ohm 510 atty from Ikenvape that is wonderful for 5 volt vaping. It was out of stock and when it came in stock I bought two. Glad I did. Ready to vape, no breaking in to notice and I have plans to see this one last a long time! Time will tell

While sub-Ohm vaping seems to be all the rage, that's the direction I am thinking of heading, for longer battery life. According to the various Ohms law calculators on the web, I'm finding that:

3.5 ohms @ 5 volts produces 7.14 watts and will deplete a 2200Mah battery in 1.08 hours (if left on continuously).
1.5 ohms @ 3.27 volts produces the same 7.14 watts, but will deplete a 2200Mah battery in 0.7 hours.

That's a difference of 50% longer battery life. I currently get about 20 hours of normal use from a 2200Mah battery. I'd LOVE to see that become 30, or better, step down to the smaller 18490 and get about 15 hours of vape time vs. 10.

6 volts with a 5 ohm atty would be optimum. 1.3 hrs (so almost 40 hours vape time?!) The only problem is that I prefer mechanicals, and double stacking those to get to 6v is dangerous if a short occurs. A Vamo will safely do it, but I just can't bear the size of a Vamo. We need better tech!

 

[CheriePie]

While you're buying from Empire, try their Premium 901 atty (you'll need a 901>510 adapter too). It's the atty the drip shield was designed for, and the flavor it produces is the very best. Also, no break-in; it's at peak performance from the first drip.

I did consider the 901 actually, and may actually still do it if I can figure out why my drip shield isn't working with my current 901 atty, while it works fine on the 510 atty I just bought from AV.

Maybe it's the atty itself? This is what I was using before, bought from MyVaporStore:
Low Resistance (LR) Atomizer - DSE901 along with this 510 to KR808D-1/DSE901 Adapter (unsealed). But when I tried to slide my Avid drip shield over it ( Twisted Acrylic Grooved Drip Shield - Avid Vaper ), it completely blocks the draw and I get no vapor production at all. There's 2 holes in the drip shield and they're both sitting near the top. With this setup, I slid the drip shield down only so far as it covers the 901 atty itself and not the adapter too, like it does in the 510 setup. Should work, right? Because I was hoping to have this setup continue to be my backup configuration for now, but without the drip shield, it's leaky as anything. Do all 901 attys have an air hole near the bottom? This one does.

 

[y cherry y]

I did consider the 901 actually, and may actually still do it if I can figure out why my drip shield isn't working with my current 901 atty, while it works fine on the 510 atty I just bought from AV.

Maybe it's the atty itself? This is what I was using before, bought from MyVaporStore:
Low Resistance (LR) Atomizer - DSE901 along with this 510 to KR808D-1/DSE901 Adapter (unsealed). But when I tried to slide my Avid drip shield over it ( Twisted Acrylic Grooved Drip Shield - Avid Vaper ), it completely blocks the draw and I get no vapor production at all. There's 2 holes in the drip shield and they're both sitting near the top. With this setup, I slid the drip shield down only so far as it covers the 901 atty itself and not the adapter too, like it does in the 510 setup. Should work, right? Because I was hoping to have this setup continue to be my backup configuration for now, but without the drip shield, it's leaky as anything. Do all 901 attys have an air hole near the bottom? This one does.

Yes they do. The drip shield was designed by Keith at Empire to prevent leaking from that draw hole on the 901. The bottom of the shield sits below the draw hole, and holds any leaked juice. When the atty starts to get dry, you can pull sharply and the juice returns to the coil through the same hole. You can actually use the shield as a little reservoir; I think it'll hold something like 15-20 drops -- although I really haven't experimented with this technique.

Of course, if the drip shield itself doesn't allow you to draw through it, that's all moot. The 510 doesn't draw air from a side hole like the 901, so your shield isn't preventing air from coming through as it is with the 901. My guess is that the o-ring placement inside that shield is covering the 901 draw hole.

If I were you, I'd get an Empire drip shield along with an Empire 901p. Empire's 510's are good atomizers as well. As with all 510's, though, they can flood if you overdrip. My solution to that is to never drip more than three drops at a time in a 510 (except the HH.357, which can hold a lot without leaking). So I don't use drip shields with 510 atties, unless they're congenitally leaky like Joyes. With Empire or Avidvaper or Ahlusion 510's, I rarely have leaks at all.

 

[y cherry y]

While sub-Ohm vaping seems to be all the rage, that's the direction I am thinking of heading, for longer battery life. According to the various Ohms law calculators on the web, I'm finding that:

3.5 ohms @ 5 volts produces 7.14 watts and will deplete a 2200Mah battery in 1.08 hours (if left on continuously).
1.5 ohms @ 3.27 volts produces the same 7.14 watts, but will deplete a 2200Mah battery in 0.7 hours.

That's a difference of 50% longer battery life. I currently get about 20 hours of normal use from a 2200Mah battery. I'd LOVE to see that become 30, or better, step down to the smaller 18490 and get about 15 hours of vape time vs. 10.

6 volts with a 5 ohm atty would be optimum. 1.3 hrs (so almost 40 hours vape time?!) The only problem is that I prefer mechanicals, and double stacking those to get to 6v is dangerous if a short occurs. A Vamo will safely do it, but I just can't bear the size of a Vamo. We need better tech!

Or you could carry an extra battery!

 

[Moueix]

Or you could carry an extra battery!

Pffft. I carry two mechanicals, two atty's with drip tips, and FOUR batteries with me anywhere I go. It does little to salve my anxiety...

 

[peraspera]

I'm so happy to see this thread. I wish it had been around when I first started vaping.

I tried Joye 510 atties a couple of weeks into my vaping adventures—totally enchanted with the taste but it would be a huge understatement to say that the dripping process did not bring out my better angels. Keeping that rotten little devil properly saturated is a skill that continues to elude me.

I tried a cheap Bauway bridgeless which was a tiny bit easier to keep correctly saturated. However, I was still so thoroughly frustrated that I never bothered to try anything else while dreaming of an easy to use atty tank unicorn.

Fast forward to my highly skeptical purchase of an AMP Tank. However, after the first tank I knew I had caught my unicorn of easy, true dripping taste and performance. I stalked Avid's site to get two more. Some people have found them fussy but my three AMP Tanks have all performed like champs with only the rare need to manually feed them.

When I got my first AMP Tank I wanted to compare performance and taste between manual dripping and the AMP Tank so I ordered an extra Cisco spec atty for that purpose. While I'm still not fond of the attention manual dripping requires I was shocked at much more easily I could keep the the Cisco spec properly saturated. I also found both the taste and performance noticeably better than the Joye or Bauway.

With my skeptic's hat firmly in place expecting only a possible slight improvement over the Cisco specs I decided to give the HH.357 a try despite Jessica at Avid cautioning me that it was more difficult to use with my AMP Tanks. Thankfully, I didn't find that to be the case and was stunned that I found the difference between the HH.357 and Cisco spec to be noticeable.

Not only that, but the HH.357 has been a piece of cake to use manually all by its lonesome outside the AMP Tank. I really wish I had known that months ago.

 

[peraspera]

Pffft. I carry two mechanicals, two atty's with drip tips, and FOUR batteries with me anywhere I go. It does little to salve my anxiety...

Four or more atties might do the trick.

 

[DancingHeretik]

I now use the pump carts with regular atties, which give me a very good vape, and I can drive without fiddling with my set-up. Unfortunately, I can't find a US vendor that carries pump carts any more. They do crack after much use (and I am not the most careful person), so I am worried now that I won't be able to replenish when I need them. It is just not feasible for me to drip all the time, especially with greasy hands (work). Plus, I guess I am just plain lazy!!

Is this what you're looking for? Liberty Flights - 510 Pump Carts

 

[y cherry y]

I'm so happy to see this thread. I wish it had been around when I first started vaping.

I tried Joye 510 atties a couple of weeks into my vaping adventures—totally enchanted with the taste but it would be a huge understatement to say that the dripping process did not bring out my better angels. Keeping that rotten little devil properly saturated is a skill that continues to elude me.

I tried a cheap Bauway bridgeless which was a tiny bit easier to keep correctly saturated. However, I was still so thoroughly frustrated that I never bothered to try anything else while dreaming of an easy to use atty tank unicorn.

Fast forward to my highly skeptical purchase of an AMP Tank. However, after the first tank I knew I had caught my unicorn of easy, true dripping taste and performance. I stalked Avid's site to get two more. Some people have found them fussy but my three AMP Tanks have all performed like champs with only the rare need to manually feed them.

When I got my first AMP Tank I wanted to compare performance and taste between manual dripping and the AMP Tank so I ordered an extra Cisco spec atty for that purpose. While I'm still not fond of the attention manual dripping requires I was shocked at much more easily I could keep the the Cisco spec properly saturated. I also found both the taste and performance noticeably better than the Joye or Bauway.

With my skeptic's hat firmly in place expecting only a possible slight improvement over the Cisco specs I decided to give the HH.357 a try despite Jessica at Avid cautioning me that it was more difficult to use with my AMP Tanks. Thankfully, I didn't find that to be the case and was stunned that I found the difference between the HH.357 and Cisco spec to be noticeable.

Not only that, but the HH.357 has been a piece of cake to use manually all by its lonesome outside the AMP Tank. I really wish I had known that months ago.

I haven't had problems with the AMP Tank either. I just watched Hanna's video before I set it up, and I'm cautious not to open up the draw too much. But it hasn't leaked through the carburetor at all -- not even when I leave it full of juice for days at a time.

 

[y cherry y]

With my skeptic's hat firmly in place expecting only a possible slight improvement over the Cisco specs I decided to give the HH.357 a try despite Jessica at Avid cautioning me that it was more difficult to use with my AMP Tanks. Thankfully, I didn't find that to be the case and was stunned that I found the difference between the HH.357 and Cisco spec to be noticeable.

Not only that, but the HH.357 has been a piece of cake to use manually all by its lonesome outside the AMP Tank. I really wish I had known that months ago.

Hanna (the maker of the .357) will rebuild them when they start declining in performance. Fill out a trouble ticket at the Avidvaper website, and they'll instruct you where to send them. He'll do as many as you have for one $5 postage charge. So, if you really like them (like Peraspera and Moueix do), get several and rotate them! If you do the math, that gets the HH to the same price as the standard Cisco spec atties after three rebuilds.

 

[peraspera]

^^^ Cherry, thanks so much for the info. I did see that in the Avid video that Hanna would rehab them but it's nice to know that one can send in a group of HH.357s for the same price. It hardly seems worth the bother of taking the time and bother of hassling with RDAs for what the cost of using an HH.357 would be.

However, I doubt I will be needing any HH.357 rehabbing. I don't see other people complaining about the taste of dirty coils but for some reason that mystifies me I find that I don't at all care for the taste of my juice using even a slightly dirty coil. By the time I go through 2-3 ml. of juice using any coil I notice an "off" taste and I'm more than ready for a clean one.

After each tank or every couple of ml. of juice when manually dripping I soak my atty in alcohol and (shhh, don't tell Hanna I'm being naughty) dry burn them. Because the coils never get thick crud on them, once the coil starts showing red, I can clean the SR coils I prefer using one to three <1 second pulses at 5.5 watts.

I've got my fingers crossed that my frequent cleaning/dry burning approach will work as well for the HH.357s as it has for everything else I use. Since I've started vaping nine months ago I've only lost one coil total.

I'm on week six of using my HH.357 and, truth be told, if they don't last any longer than that because of my frequent dry burning I'm good with that. The price for the quality of vape I'm getting is more than worth it to me.

 

[y cherry y]

^^^ Cherry, thanks so much for the info. I did see that in the Avid video that Hanna would rehab them but it's nice to know that one can send in a group of HH.357s for the same price. It hardly seems worth the bother of taking the time and bother of hassling with RDAs for what the cost of using an HH.357 would be.

However, I doubt I will be needing any HH.357 rehabbing. I don't see other people complaining about the taste of dirty coils but for some reason that mystifies me I find that I don't at all care for the taste of my juice using even a slightly dirty coil. By the time I go through 2-3 ml. of juice using any coil I notice an "off" taste and I'm more than ready for a clean one.

After each tank or every couple of ml. of juice when manually dripping I soak my atty in alcohol and (shhh, don't tell Hanna I'm being naughty) dry burn them. Because the coils never get thick crud on them, once the coil starts showing red, I can clean the SR coils I prefer using one to three <1 second pulses at 5.5 watts.

I've got my fingers crossed that my frequent cleaning/dry burning approach will work as well for the HH.357s as it has for everything else I use. Since I've started vaping nine months ago I've only lost one coil total.

I'm on week six of using my HH.357 and, truth be told, if they don't last any longer than that because of my frequent dry burning I'm good with that. The price for the quality of vape I'm getting is more than worth it to me.

Well, he won't fix them if the coil is popped or they're so gunked up the coils have fused into a mass. But eventually, as with all atties, the flavor and vapor lessen. That's when you'd want to send them to him.

I clean frequently too, usually just running under warm water, occasionally using vodka. GrimmGreen says he had an HH that lasted over a YEAR, and all he did was blow it out daily!

 

[Faylool]

Blowing out daily. That's the way to go. And clean contacts at same time. Short little dry burns should not decrease coil life anymore than vaping burns in my opinion. I mean why? Short, little. Daily..after blowing out. What's the harm?
Did I post my Ikenvape 510 3.5 ohm Atties here yet? Found my 5 volt vaping device! It's ready to vape out of pack and it's just perfect. I will use light juices with it. It's expensive. I got two since I had to wait for them to come in stock. Excellent.
I vape my dark gunky juices in Pyrex tanks and cartos. When they go off I throw them away. From drip drip ( and this 510 doesn't bottom feed for ikenvape..I'm 90 % sure I checked it, then tanks..xls usually. One extreme to the other. It's hard to choose what I like best!

 

[DC2]

Blowing out daily. That's the way to go. And clean contacts at same time. Short little dry burns should not decrease coil life anymore than vaping burns in my opinion.

I blow out my atomizer every morning, and clean the contacts.

It requires one whole square of toilet paper, folded in half twice, and takes about 30 seconds.
--First a corner of the square is twisted in the battery contact
--Then I wipe the Ego cone threads on the battery
--Then I blow out the atomizer into the square
--Then I wipe the atomizer threads
--Then I roll up the toilet paper square and push it up into the cone and twist a few times

But I only do dry burns when I notice a decrease in performance.

This is the ONLY maintenance I ever do on my equipment.
And I have yet to see any need to go above and beyond this for any reason.


One square of toilet paper and 30 seconds per day.

 

[the_maiden_fair]

Is this what you're looking for? Liberty Flights - 510 Pump Carts

Yes, but as you see, they don't give you the option to actually order them anymore. I appreciate the input though, Dancing Heretik!

 

[DancingHeretik]

Yes, but as you see, they don't give you the option to actually order them anymore. I appreciate the input though, Dancing Heretik!

No, I hadn't noticed. I was thinking of trying them sometime too. Oh, well. Sorry about that.