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Bad Ninja

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SuperX, every site I deal with for anything has a contact number and biz lisc or I don't waste my time.
(That's why I avoid Facebook only sales like the plague. I didn't cheat when I had a biz, get a lisc and be legit)
But that's basic things that every real business has to have.

But can you Tell me honestly you don't think the REO site isnt difficult to navigate, and hasnt costs sales?

I honestly can't build a website, nor do want to, but I do have experience running a successful manufacturing business for more years than there has even been a vape scene.

I was offering some very basic general advice to Rob, after he openly admitted sales were bad, laid off employees, and was upset about the clones.

I like the REO, and think a guy like Rob should get some real support beyond fanboyism.
I encouraged him to keep his head up, and explained how he could possibly turn this around to his advantage.
I have supported him over and over in this thread.

For offering support all I got was slammed by the fanboys, and cursed at.

I may buy a REO, I won't buy the clone, but I have no desire to be a part of the "Church of REO" cult.
 
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Since this thread is devolving anyway... Anyone who imports one to the U.S.runs afoul of the law. 18 U.S. Code § 2320 is only a partial explanation of what constitutes counterfeit trafficking but has the catch all at the end about "transhipment" that covers import and export and isn't specific about quantities,... but the really important part is the penalties portion. A 2 million dollar fine and a decade in the clink is a substantial risk in my book. Seems like a lot of risk over trying to "save" a hundred bucks. ---> The REO is patented. Importing a REO Clone to the U.S. or any U.S. Territories is illegal.

I'm glad to see you're such an eager Internet legal scholar, however the section of the Lanham act you cited has nothing to do with design patents. Rather, it is about preventing counterfeit trademarks. Also, the damages you speak of are the maximum damages, not typical damages actually awarded in cases under Sec. 2320, where it even relevant.

So, in essence, you don't know what you are talking about and are just looking to scaremonger.
 

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So, in essence, you don't know what you are talking about and just looking to scaremonger.

You might ask folks around the fashion district in NY if what I said is scare mongering or if folks actually find themselves in trouble in situations just like this and charged with that exact code. Information is power.
 

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You might ask folks around the fashion district in NY if what I said is scare mongering or if folks actually find themselves in trouble in situations just like this and charged with that exact code. Information is power.

And rather than understand your ignorance, you compound it. A design patent is not a trademark. Thus, talking about situations involving counterfeit trademarks does not substantiate your erroneous claims.
 

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What type of person is in the market for a REO? The casual vaper moving on from cigalikes or the enthusiast/hobbyist who doesn't mind spending a little time finding out what he is after and a few minutes actually purchasing a REO?

The answer should be "every vaper" is a potential REO Customer.
To think different would be to deny potential sales.
They are simple, durable devices, have a great warranty and customer support, etc...

Can be used with sub ohm drippers or even Cartomizers for the turtle fluffer type vaper.

That covers pretty much everyone except the "Cloudz Bro!" Crowd, who have their own thing.
 

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Wow. Time to get this thread back on track. I received my clone yesterday and after almost a full day of use, I'm both very impressed and very satisfied. No problems with the 510, no leaks, squeezing the bottle feels just like my SL, no problems with the button, etc. What can I say? It works just fine. Rewicked my clone Chalice, loaded up some VG heavy GVC, popped in a 20A AW, and started happily vaping away.

My only complaints are in the fit and finish department. The door doesn't slide as nicely as my SL and seems like it might be a fraction of a millimeter too tall. A heavy duty Scotch Brite pad helped the door and I can probably easily do more to make it better.The magnets feel pretty weak with very little feeling that they've attracted each other. There are a couple places where the coating has worn off/didn't adhere. It's in relatively unnoticeable places though and just small spots. Finally, there's a bit of a blemish near the window. It's not that noticeable unless you're looking for it, but you can feel it.

For just a couple dollars more than I paid for an Owl, this thing blows it away. It's an exceptional bargain for someone looking to find out if squonking is their thing. If I bought this before my SL, it likely would have delayed my purchase of the SL (I definitely would have purchased it eventually). We'll see what happens over time, but I'm very happy with this $24 device.
 

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Wow. Time to get this thread back on track. I received my clone yesterday and after almost a full day of use, I'm both very impressed and very satisfied. No problems with the 510, no leaks, squeezing the bottle feels just like my SL, no problems with the button, etc. What can I say? It works just fine. Rewicked my clone Chalice, loaded up some VG heavy GVC, popped in a 20A AW, and started happily vaping away.

My only complaints are in the fit and finish department. The door doesn't slide as nicely as my SL and seems like it might be a fraction of a millimeter too tall. A heavy duty Scotch Brite pad helped the door and I can probably easily do more to make it better.The magnets feel pretty weak with very little feeling that they've attracted each other. There are a couple places where the coating has worn off/didn't adhere. It's in relatively unnoticeable places though and just small spots. Finally, there's a bit of a blemish near the window. It's not that noticeable unless you're looking for it, but you can feel it.

For just a couple dollars more than I paid for an Owl, this thing blows it away. It's an exceptional bargain for someone looking to find out if squonking is their thing. If I bought this before my SL, it likely would have delayed my purchase of the SL (I definitely would have purchased it eventually). We'll see what happens over time, but I'm very happy with this $24 device.
Wow thanks for this. Do you have an inline voltmeter you could use to compare output with the real thing?
 

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What type of person is in the market for a REO? The casual vaper moving on from cigalikes or the enthusiast/hobbyist who doesn't mind spending a little time finding out what he is after and a few minutes actually purchasing a REO?

It seems to me that the vape scene is a rapidly moving/evolving market. The Reo Grand has a stellar reputation which is no doubt well deserved and I have wanted one for several years. The weird thing is whenever I have talked about them to younger vapers most have never heard of it. But that's not a big surprise since the latest "big thing" seems to get more attention, particularly with new vapers. With the current interest in bottom feeders booming, I suspect sale of authentic Reo Grands will increase radically in the near future.
 

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So what attys will fit? What is maximum atty diameter?


Atties that fit:

VA Divo
eBaron Spiral dripper
Budzworx hornet
Delanie Desmo
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I have a pre 2014 VA cyclone (dished deck) that does NOT fit.


Cheers
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And rather than understand your ignorance, you compound it. A design patent is not a trademark. Thus, talking about situations involving counterfeit trademarks does not substantiate your erroneous claims.

Hardly. Please read "United States International Trade Commission Investigation No. 332-514 USITC Publication 4199 (amended) November 2010 China: Intellectual Property Infringement, Indigenous Innovation Policies, and Frameworks for Measuring the Effects on the U.S. Economy" -- And then read Saving American Manufacturing by Mike Collins -- And then read... Well, then do your own research. It was perfectly legal to purchase counterfeit goods in the US up until 2011. The trademark and copyright codes were separate. Not today. Because of that USITC report in 2010, it became way more complex. It isn't a legal behavior any more if you actually initiate the import. If it's already here, the supply side is the only thing regulated. If you are causing the item to be imported, then the demand side is now also regulated.
 

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Hardly. Please read "United States International Trade Commission Investigation No. 332-514 USITC Publication 4199 (amended) November 2010 China: Intellectual Property Infringement, Indigenous Innovation Policies, and Frameworks for Measuring the Effects on the U.S. Economy" -- And then read Saving American Manufacturing by Mike Collins -- And then read... Well, then do your own research. It was perfectly legal to purchase counterfeit goods in the US up until 2011. The trademark and copyright codes were separate. Not today. Because of that USITC report in 2010, it became way more complex. It isn't a legal behavior any more if you actually initiate the import. If it's already here, the supply side is the only thing regulated. If you are causing the item to be imported, then the demand side is now also regulated.

I need to be really clear. It is the act of importation - having them ship it to you - that is regulated.
 

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    No problems with the 510
    Just curious about the 510.
    Since you also have an authentic, you know the advantages of the reverse threading.
    The ability to tighten and adjust the air hole position, as well as get a solid connection.
    With the regular threaded clone, doesn't it just tighten until the addy bottoms out in the catch cup?
     

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    Just curious about the 510.
    Since you also have an authentic, you know the advantages of the reverse threading.
    The ability to tighten and adjust the air hole position, as well as get a solid connection.
    With the regular threaded clone, doesn't it just tighten until the addy bottoms out in the catch cup?

    My 2Ω
    I have not had any problem with the 510. It works as expected.

    Cheers
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    SuperX, every site I deal with for anything has a contact number and biz lisc or I don't waste my time.
    (That's why I avoid Facebook only sales like the plague. I didn't cheat when I had a biz, get a lisc and be legit)
    But that's basic things that every real business has to have.

    But can you Tell me honestly you don't think the REO site isnt difficult to navigate, and hasnt costs sales?

    I honestly can't build a website, nor do want to, but I do have experience running a successful manufacturing business for more years than there has even been a vape scene.

    I was offering some very basic general advice to Rob, after he openly admitted sales were bad, laid off employees, and was upset about the clones.

    I like the REO, and think a guy like Rob should get some real support beyond fanboyism.
    I encouraged him to keep his head up, and explained how he could possibly turn this around to his advantage.
    I have supported him over and over in this thread.

    For offering support all I got was slammed by the fanboys, and cursed at.

    I may buy a REO, I won't buy the clone, but I have no desire to be a part of the "Church of REO" cult.


    Many have complained that the site is weak. I agree. The pix also do the mods little justice.

    But in very few instances in my life, maybe none, have I dropped over $100 on a web related purchase. I'm old school and prefer phone conversations to texting or emailing. I called and discussed my first purchase with Rob and every subsequent REO purchase was made the same way.

    The kids today, yeah, I see how they may like web stuff, just like they prefer to communicate by text.

    But most of those same kids are not seeking REOs mods. They are likely seeking the latest 200w dual 26650 mod.

    Anyone who wants a REO knows how to get one. Call Rob. Email Rob. If that's not ones cup of espresso, then they likely have the skillz to navigate his page and get what they want.

    I will still always call to see if he has any blems and to shoot the shizz with him. He's a cool, laid back dude. All but two of my many REO purchases were blems.

    I got no dog in the clone war that rages on and I know there's nothing I can say that will stop this back and forth or sway anyones opinion and it's not even my intention. My .02 is worth zero here.

    I say Rock on and vape it like ya stole it. Oh, and, when in doubt, squonk :)
     

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    If I think back to my ProVari ordering days...their site lacked a little user friendliness. I wonder if thats why they had such trouble moving mods. It's funny... 2 powerhouses that have outlasted most other mod shops, have the most loyal following, the most return customers.....they get smacked around harder than any other company out there by the same folks. Obviously, they need help.
     
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