Hi, I'm a new member as of a few minutes ago. I joined because there is a lot of bad news in the news and I feel a bit concerned. I have recently restarted vaping after several times where I was practising quitting smoking tobacco to see what it feels like and how I would cope. I'm doing well so far I've had one tobacco cigarette since last Friday, normally I do a few days then return to tobacco but I'm more serious and determined this time. I am wondering about people who have been vaping for a while, what your thoughts are about the current news regarding e-cigs and how that fits with your experience, thoughts and feelings. Is it worth continuing to use e-cigs? I am asking because I would like to gain more perspective and a balanced view because the news is in my opinion biased against any type of smoking whether it be electric vaping or tobacco.
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The media is biased against e-cigs. Some of it is deliberate propaganda to protect Pharma and Tobacco sales, not to mention tax revenues. Some of it is because there are lots of people out there who don't want to recommend e-cigs as we don't know they are 100% safe.
If your question is "should I vape rather than smoke?" the answer is certainly YES.
There is no genuine evidence that suggests is can possibly more hazardous than smoking.
If you can quit smoking altogether, successfully, then the absolute safest route is to inhale nothing but fresh air.
If your question is "should I vape rather than smoke?" the answer is certainly YES.
There is no genuine evidence that suggests is can possibly more hazardous than smoking.
If you can quit smoking altogether, successfully, then the absolute safest route is to inhale nothing but fresh air.
IMHO, ecigarettes are not a %100 safe solution. Anything dealing with chemicals has some side effects and dangers associated with it. However, I do believe it is a much safer alternative to smoking.
EVERY legitimate research I have seen regarding ecigarettes state that it is a safer alternative. Even research done by the FDA has shown that they are a much safer alternative to cigarettes. The one report where they studied ecigs were based on cigalikes, and out of those, I believe 4 out of the 10 contained one carcinogenic material ALMOST to the level of a regular cigarette. That report was done years ago, and the ecig industry changes VERY quickly, and mostly for the good.
Media tends to focus on shock and awe.. and they will hover around anything wrong. Media is designed to catch your attention by stating something almost as a warning label. It's their job to make you look at their article. When you read or look at any media, look closely at the words. look for the words "may, might, could, can, and if"...those are variables. Your best bet is to not look at media, but look at scientific results. The truth is, the FDA has not done extensive research on Ecigarettes. Their official statement is "they don't know". (source: Electronic Cigarettes (e-Cigarettes) )
Now, because they don't know, that leaves the media open to quote anyone. People see vapor, and assume it's smoke, so they want it regulated like cigarettes. The Ecig community is wanting research done.. We want people to know how safe it is. from my own personal experience, I was smoking for 20 years. I remember wanting to quit when I would wake up, feel a tightening in my chest, I remember the wheezing, and coughing, the constant battle with phlem. I have been vaping for two years... and I can't recall the last time I had a tightening of my chest... my taste has come back, No phlem unless I am sick, and I feel like I have more energy. That's my own views, and I don't know of anyone who has been a vaper for 1+ years who has experienced these. I used to smoke in my car, and I remember seeing the thin brown film over everything and thinking what my lungs would be like... I vape in my car, and I get no such film.
I looked at the ingredients of Ejuice... Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, Nicotine, and Food flavoring, The first three are not carcinogens, and the flavoring, well, that depends on the flavor.
Do I think Ecigs are %100 safe... no. Maybe more on the lines of %95 safe (guestimation)... that's compared to breathing fresh air. I %100 think it's safer than cigarettes. It's all about harm reduction. Should I think they should be regulated? Only as much as food products are regulated. Should they be taxed like cigarettes, no. (the tax was supposed to fund anti smoking campaigns, because smoking caused cancer.. I don't think Ecigs have that problem).
I probably will be a vaper for a while. I might give it up, I might not. Right now, it's become a hobby. In my opinion, it's a fairly safe hobby, much like cars or motorcycles. Would a cyclist give up motorcycling because it's dangerous compared to flying or walking?
EVERY legitimate research I have seen regarding ecigarettes state that it is a safer alternative. Even research done by the FDA has shown that they are a much safer alternative to cigarettes. The one report where they studied ecigs were based on cigalikes, and out of those, I believe 4 out of the 10 contained one carcinogenic material ALMOST to the level of a regular cigarette. That report was done years ago, and the ecig industry changes VERY quickly, and mostly for the good.
Media tends to focus on shock and awe.. and they will hover around anything wrong. Media is designed to catch your attention by stating something almost as a warning label. It's their job to make you look at their article. When you read or look at any media, look closely at the words. look for the words "may, might, could, can, and if"...those are variables. Your best bet is to not look at media, but look at scientific results. The truth is, the FDA has not done extensive research on Ecigarettes. Their official statement is "they don't know". (source: Electronic Cigarettes (e-Cigarettes) )
Now, because they don't know, that leaves the media open to quote anyone. People see vapor, and assume it's smoke, so they want it regulated like cigarettes. The Ecig community is wanting research done.. We want people to know how safe it is. from my own personal experience, I was smoking for 20 years. I remember wanting to quit when I would wake up, feel a tightening in my chest, I remember the wheezing, and coughing, the constant battle with phlem. I have been vaping for two years... and I can't recall the last time I had a tightening of my chest... my taste has come back, No phlem unless I am sick, and I feel like I have more energy. That's my own views, and I don't know of anyone who has been a vaper for 1+ years who has experienced these. I used to smoke in my car, and I remember seeing the thin brown film over everything and thinking what my lungs would be like... I vape in my car, and I get no such film.
I looked at the ingredients of Ejuice... Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerin, Nicotine, and Food flavoring, The first three are not carcinogens, and the flavoring, well, that depends on the flavor.
Do I think Ecigs are %100 safe... no. Maybe more on the lines of %95 safe (guestimation)... that's compared to breathing fresh air. I %100 think it's safer than cigarettes. It's all about harm reduction. Should I think they should be regulated? Only as much as food products are regulated. Should they be taxed like cigarettes, no. (the tax was supposed to fund anti smoking campaigns, because smoking caused cancer.. I don't think Ecigs have that problem).
I probably will be a vaper for a while. I might give it up, I might not. Right now, it's become a hobby. In my opinion, it's a fairly safe hobby, much like cars or motorcycles. Would a cyclist give up motorcycling because it's dangerous compared to flying or walking?
Hi Isable. First thing I need to say is good luck. Second thing is don't quit trying to quit. I just stopped smoking last week. And the one thing that I notices is that you need to find the breaking point to just stop. For me it was, Memorial Day I had to work all day and in that process of working 12 hours I went through a pack and a half which was brutal in my mind. It was then that I decided I had enough and went to my local vape shop. I really didn't quit smoking, however I am down to 1-2 cigarettes a day. One in the morning when I first get up and one more before I go to sleep. I did not have a cigarette this morning, though. Hoping not to have one tonight. Remember, you can always have a smoke but you no no longer have to depend on them.
I decided to go with an eGo One as my starter. I can't say that it didn't work, I just felt like it was missing something so I switched out the standard 1.2 ohm vaporizer and put in the .5ohm on that came with it. I ended up going with a different tank afterwards. Same .5ohm vaporizer, well I picked up a SUBTANK Nano by Kanger (it looked cool) for a higher capacity tank. Then I replaced that battery pack with an iStick 30 watt so could control the finer nuances and I didn't have to charge it every day. It needs to be tweeked a little bit more however I am a lot happier with what I have. I am thinking about a box mod next... I think.
I know that this sounds like a lot. It is when you look at the over all picture however with the steps I took it was $75 initial cost (the eGo and 2 different e-Liquids) $25 for the tank then $45 for the eStick. However, when you look at the long term what I spent already was what I spent 2 weeks in cigarettes. But, I am looking forward to the $20 a week on e-Liquid once I get settled down into a machine I made myself by piecing together something that fits me. The idea however is with the way technology is with vaping these days you are probably going to try out a lot of options. It is doesn't have to be hit or miss, you like more smoke (it reminds you of smoking), the vape is too hot, the flavor isn't right, etc. Go with a good starter kit and figure out what you like and go with that.
The flavor is something different. I went with something I liked in the past. I likes smoking pipe at one point so I found something comparable to what I liked. Start from there. I am kinda shot from there because I noticed that there is a lot of fruity flavors out there and that isn't me, yet. Don't be afraid of going to your local Vape shop and sampling until you find something. If you can't find something then try another place. Very few places have the same flavors or if they do it is a different it is a different mixture. Sampling is a good thing.
You come to the right place. We support you here. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
I decided to go with an eGo One as my starter. I can't say that it didn't work, I just felt like it was missing something so I switched out the standard 1.2 ohm vaporizer and put in the .5ohm on that came with it. I ended up going with a different tank afterwards. Same .5ohm vaporizer, well I picked up a SUBTANK Nano by Kanger (it looked cool) for a higher capacity tank. Then I replaced that battery pack with an iStick 30 watt so could control the finer nuances and I didn't have to charge it every day. It needs to be tweeked a little bit more however I am a lot happier with what I have. I am thinking about a box mod next... I think.
I know that this sounds like a lot. It is when you look at the over all picture however with the steps I took it was $75 initial cost (the eGo and 2 different e-Liquids) $25 for the tank then $45 for the eStick. However, when you look at the long term what I spent already was what I spent 2 weeks in cigarettes. But, I am looking forward to the $20 a week on e-Liquid once I get settled down into a machine I made myself by piecing together something that fits me. The idea however is with the way technology is with vaping these days you are probably going to try out a lot of options. It is doesn't have to be hit or miss, you like more smoke (it reminds you of smoking), the vape is too hot, the flavor isn't right, etc. Go with a good starter kit and figure out what you like and go with that.
The flavor is something different. I went with something I liked in the past. I likes smoking pipe at one point so I found something comparable to what I liked. Start from there. I am kinda shot from there because I noticed that there is a lot of fruity flavors out there and that isn't me, yet. Don't be afraid of going to your local Vape shop and sampling until you find something. If you can't find something then try another place. Very few places have the same flavors or if they do it is a different it is a different mixture. Sampling is a good thing.
You come to the right place. We support you here. If you have any questions feel free to ask.
Everything in the media is a BALD FACED LIE. We're surrounded by haters (ANTZ) who just want smokers to die as fast as possible, crooked politicians who've sold bonds against MSA funds and thus spent money they didn't actually have, crooked politicians and bureaucraps in bed with Big Pharma, crooked CDC, crooked FDA, crooked AMA, crooked ALA, crooked any-charitable-org-who-takes-money-to-combat-smoking-and-then-says-e-cigs-are-dangerous... you get the drift I'm sure. All that lying in the media about e-cigs being dangerous is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and not one scrap of actual science.
E-cigs are quite simply the most effective way to quit smoking EVER invented, and those who've gambled on us staying smokers till we die of it now have egg on their faces and are trying and lying to salvage the mess they've made.
Vape on!
Andria
E-cigs are quite simply the most effective way to quit smoking EVER invented, and those who've gambled on us staying smokers till we die of it now have egg on their faces and are trying and lying to salvage the mess they've made.
Vape on!
Andria
Welcome Isabel!
As stated above, nothing is 100% safe. However, like others, I find vaping to be a much less detrimental alternative to smoking. I am able to satisfy all the tactile things I needed from smoking, but without the nasty smell, the chest/sinus congestion, or the 1,000s of added chemicals from cigarette smoking.
That all being said, most studies currently indicate that vaping is significantly less harmful. THAT's the message I'm taking, and I'm running full bore (which I can do now without huffing and puffing) with it
I have been without a cigarette for almost 15 months now. There's no turning back for me.
As stated above, nothing is 100% safe. However, like others, I find vaping to be a much less detrimental alternative to smoking. I am able to satisfy all the tactile things I needed from smoking, but without the nasty smell, the chest/sinus congestion, or the 1,000s of added chemicals from cigarette smoking.
That all being said, most studies currently indicate that vaping is significantly less harmful. THAT's the message I'm taking, and I'm running full bore (which I can do now without huffing and puffing) with it
I have been without a cigarette for almost 15 months now. There's no turning back for me.
Welcome to the forum Isabel! It's always nice to see someone paying enough attention to ask the real questions.
I wouldn't go as far as to say they outright lie. They are the alarm ringers. Part of the US media is freedom of speech. Their job is to get people to read their articles, and to publish articles more often. They report what others say, and more often than not, they are writing a report based on what someone else said. A FDA janitor can say he thinks ecigs are some new fangled device that might kill someone, and the reporter would report that as "A FDA expert says ecigs might kill people".... The reporter is telling the truth... but not the whole story. It's sad that we cannot trust the media nowdays to give accurate stories. It seems the media is more opinion based rather than truth. A story about how ecigs *might* be harmful based on someone's opinion sells more than someone saying "Ecigs have less carcinogens than regular cigarettes"
As far as the FDA and CDC is concerned, I've noticed a trend with the government that is not for the good side. I wouldn't say they're totally corrupt.. they did have their original guideline of protecting our health. Lately, however, people will sue based on isolated cases. They have the Cover Your Own A** mentality. If there is a .0001% chance that something is bad, then they will ban it based on that .0001% that might sue the government for false labels. Common sense has went out the window and is being replaced by a strict "what if" policy.
Add in the corruption that *IS* in those industries, and things don't look too good. I do think that Tobacco companies are just that.. companies. They're geared towards making money. They fund and support policy makers that will rule in their favor. They will advertise things that benefit their sales and support via funding anything that against their competitors. Ecigs are a competitor to Big tobacco. Every vaper not using one of their products is using their competitor's product which is loss sales.
I don't believe in a "conspiracy theory" as per say, but I do believe that there is no rush to get rid of the money given to the government for the anti smoking bill. Simply put, there is no money in supporting Vapers. Any .org that will support the government has more say so than vapers who are trying to save money by getting off of cigarettes.
Just my
1: My thoughts about current news regarding e-cigs:
A lot of what looks like news is actually advertising.
Tobacco companies cannot advertise their products directly, but they can, and it makes business sense to spend their advertising budget on fighting against e-cigs because e-cigs are cutting into their revenue stream.
2: Is it worth continueing to use e-cigs:
Yes and becoming more worth it each year; for half pack a day or less smokers, it might not be worth it, but it will be as products/prices improve
3: news biased:
See #1 above; on the one hand there's the anti tobacco lobby advertising, and on the other hand there's the tobacco companies in who's interest it is to fund anti e-cig advertising.
Don't take what you here read or see on the media, literally. On almost any subject you chose.. The NEWS is supplied via a POINT of VIEW or Bias or opinion.
Fact is, based on everything we (humans) know, Vaping is SAFER than Smoking Cigarettes. PERIOD.
Fact is Life is FATAL. Period
FACT Smoking is NOT as dangerous as we are led to believe. I know, opinion... But, Do the math. If the propaganda was true. Humans would have died off LONG ago. Everybody should be dead or dieing just from the second hand smoke, alone.
Fact is, based on everything we (humans) know, Vaping is SAFER than Smoking Cigarettes. PERIOD.
Fact is Life is FATAL. Period
FACT Smoking is NOT as dangerous as we are led to believe. I know, opinion... But, Do the math. If the propaganda was true. Humans would have died off LONG ago. Everybody should be dead or dieing just from the second hand smoke, alone.
How do you feel? That's the question most of us ask someone that just started vaping. Do you breath easier? More energy? I can post studies and papers on the health benefits of vaping for an entire day but it comes down to fundamental health. Does vaping work for you? More people will come to their own conclusions on the subject eventually while others don't like change. I've met doctors that fully support my use of vaping while I know nurses that whole heartedly condemn the act. I know one man that had COPD and is now off his medication for it and says vaping is the reason why. I am stronger, faster, and more alert than I have been in recent years and I believe it's due to the absence of tobacco. I run and play with my 6 year old daughter more now. I don't stink. I've even been complimented on smelling good because of my blueberry muffin juice. I haven't heard/read anything, anywhere about someone dropping dead from vaping. I do expect to see a report on how dangerous blowing a cloud while driving can be any day now.
Hi, I am quickly popping in as I've been at work, I will respond in more detail later (after sleep and at my PC, right now I'm on my phone and it takes a long time to type). I wanted to let you know that I've heard you all and thank you so much for your responses, I've appreciated your thoughts and experiences so much I cannot describe.
and thank you so much for your responses, I've appreciated your thoughts and experiences so much I cannot describe.
Vaping is not 100% safe.
Vaping is an order of magnitude safer than smoking tobacco
Don't believe all the misinformation, flawed "studies" and downright lies that are published, all to protect government revenues
Vaping is an order of magnitude safer than smoking tobacco
Don't believe all the misinformation, flawed "studies" and downright lies that are published, all to protect government revenues
Each month and year that passes I am more confident that I made a great choice switching to vaping. My direct experience is at odds with what "they" are increasingly foisting upon us, and I ignore them.
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