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[SloHand]

Gotta stay on top of this non sense.

[url]http://www. healthcanal. com/substance-abuse/42386-smoking-cessation-experts-weigh-in-on-e-cigarettes.html[/URL]

 

[AgentAnia]

I tried to submit a comment, but the captcha code image won't show on the page. Anybody else having this problem?

 

[Tanis143]

Same problem here, the captcha code won't show. Thats an effective way to prevent comments.

 

[tommy2bad]

Yeah no image.
It's just a repeat of all the nonsence arguments so far, "We dont know whats in them" "they could attract kids" "We need more studies"
The bit that stuck in my craw was this;

“Once a young person gets acquainted with nicotine, it’s more likely that they’ll try other tobacco products.

How dose he know this? What tobacco products are kids starting with other than cigarettes? Unless he fears that kids who start with cigs will try ecigs and not bother with NRT.

 

[mytsmooth]

The article is more of a quip. It is so vague, that it really has no substance. That being said, everything in the article makes a great deal of sense. What may work for one person may not work for another, and while many of us that post here would claim that e-cigs work for smoking cessation, there is no empirical data to support the claims. The safety is another thing they mentioned, while we may all feel better and many of us aren't inhaling measured levels of cancer, there is little data to show what the actual harm is. And the quote, "Once a young person gets acquainted with nicotine, it’s more likely that they’ll try other tobacco products." duh, it's a known addictive substance. And it's human nature, once you try something you like, you are going to want to see if there is anything else you like. It isn't only kids, it's all people. There is a possibility that e-cigs could be a way for children to be introduced to a nic addiction, that kind of comes with the territory of an addictive substance. If there is a delivery method, then there is a chance a package will be delivered by that method.
How the hell are kids going to get their hands on these devices or liquids, every vendor I have seen are already being responsible about who they sell to. Maybe I am naive to think that a vendor would pass on a sale to a 12 year old kid trying to buy some vanilla custard e-liquid. Adults like flavors, we don't go out and get ice cream just because the kids want to, it's a great excuse, but it's BS.

 

[AgentAnia]

Well, that's one way to keep dissenting comments to a minimum, eh?

Seems to me I've seen these same two "experts" [insert sarcasm] quoted in other articles saying pretty much the same save-the-children/gateway bullhockey. And if I remember correctly, they got lambasted royally in the comments section. Clever little antis, aren't they?

 

[AgentAnia]

Since I can't post my comment there, I'll post it here.

“Unfortunately, there’s no proof that e-cigarettes are risk-free,” says Prokhorov.

I'm sorry to have to break it to you, gentlemen -- and readers -- but NOTHING in life is risk-free! Even taking advice from self-proclaimed experts is not without risk.

E-cigarettes are not marketed as smoking cessation devices, nor have I ever seen any manufacturers or vendors claiming they are "safe." E-cigarettes are a SAFER alternative nicotine delivery system, and if they are a "gateway" to anything, it's AWAY from smoking!

It saddens me when professionals who are supposed to uphold the interests of public health cannot put aside ideology and recognize and support e-cigarettes for what they are, a potential revolution that can improve the health and extend the lives of millions.

 

[JColt]

You have to sign up then code will show. My post is in moderator review. Will see if it goes through. Here is what I wrote

I smoked for almost 40 years and up to 3 packs in a day. I tried the gum, the patch, the pill and lozenges that were FDA approved and they did not work at all. I started on an ecig and 3 days later I stopped smoking. It is now going on 5 months with out cigarettes. It works. It works very well.

Nothing I know of is risk free. I am healthier both physically and mentally. My wife who has asthma is very happy with my decision. To say these devices are a gateway to smoking is ludicrous. To say there are too many unknowns is also.

I am tired of the save the children act also. It is just grasping at straws. These devices are not geared towards children. It's like saying drinking milk makes kids want to drink alcohol. If FDA was really worried about our health than cigarettes would have long been banned.

You have kicked me out of restaurants, sports stadiums and every where else when I was a smoker. Now that I'm vaping you still want to kick me. Vaping is for people who no longer want to smoke. If you have ideas on keeping children and non smokers from using then state them. Don't lie and fudge the truth for your own personal vendetta though.

 

[AgentAnia]

Nowhere does it give me the option of signing in or on. Just blanks to post name, email, website, comment text, and captcha. (I checked some of their other articles, and some are showing the captcha and some aren't. ???)

EDIT: If anyone is able to post there, feel free to cut and paste my comment!

 

[JColt]

Nowhere does it give me the option of signing in or on. Just blanks to post name, email, website, comment text, and captcha. (I checked some of their other articles, and some are showing the captcha and some aren't. ???)

EDIT: If anyone is able to post there, feel free to cut and paste my comment!

Just above the search bar is option to sign up.

 

[Bob Chill]

I was able to post another one of my long comments. lol. I highly doubt it gets passed moderation. Not because it's inappropriate or anything.

"Another article written that doesn’t include any of the science and research that has already been done. I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to understand that there are only 3 ingredients (pure nicotine, USP grade propylene glycol, and USP grade vegetable glycerine) in e-cigarette liquid and it’s flavored with FDA approved artificial and natural flavorings. The amusing that everything is already approved for human consumption. And every single one of us consumes these ingredients on a regular basis. Even nicotine. Unless you don’t eat vegetables.

We’re not talking some witches brew of unknowns here. I’m sick and tired of vague “we don’t know if it’s safe” talk. I think a more fitting statement is “we can’t figure out why the vapor in electronic cigarettes isn’t terrible for you and ensures a slow and painful death like the thing it’s replacing”. Plenty of qualified scientists have already looked for that and can’t find it. So instead the phantom unknown card is played. Humans get scared of the unknowns so it’s a great tactic when not presenting facts.

There are plenty of knowns. There have been real studies done with real analysis and publicly published real results. But nobody in the media ever wants to talk about any of that. Just a bunch of vague rubbish and scare tactics. I thought journalism was supposed to leave no stone unturned before publishing an article. It’s been reduced to agenda driven hogwash. There are exponentially more known benefits to nicotine consumption than there are negative health concerns. Just take combustion and burning tobacco out of the equation and nicotine is quite benign. This is a documented and studied fact.

Electronics cigarettes are an alternative to tobacco use. A replacement. Not a therapy or medical procedure. There is now less harmful choice.

And please for god sakes stop playing the child card. I have 4 children. I can take care of them just fine. That’s my job as a parent. Electronic cigarettes are the absolute least of my worries raising my children and probably every other parent out there too.

And saying electronic cigarettes can be a gateway to tobacco is an outright lie. Electronic cigarettes have been around for 5+ years now with millions users worldwide. Take a poll and find out how many of those started first with the electronic version before finding utopia with the real thing. It works the other way. This is a FACT.

And lastly, the risk free card is played in the article. There isn’t a single risk free moment from the time you’re born to the time you die. Risk / return is the human driver of decisions. Given the current set of choices between tobacco smoking and electronic smoking, which has the better risk/return ratio? "

 

[Bill Godshall]

That article was on another website two weeks ago, and below is my description in the 8/21/13 THR Update (with a broken link).
Wonder who is paying different websites to run that propaganda.

MD Anderson’s Alexander Prokhorov and Paul Cinciprini deny existence of scientific evidence on e-cigarettes, falsely claim they’re marketed as “safe” to “young people” and are gateway to smoking cigarettes, absurdly claim FDA regulation is only way to ensure products benefit public health, tout ineffective and less than safe drug industry products to treat “tobacco dependence”, fail to disclose their huge financial conflicts of interest.
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www.bionews-
tx.com/news

/2013/08/16/
md-anderson-center-smoking-cessation-experts-weigh-in-on-safety-and-gateway-potential-of-e-cigarettes/]

 

[DC2]

And the quote, "Once a young person gets acquainted with nicotine, it’s more likely that they’ll try other tobacco products." duh, it's a known addictive substance.

Over time you may come to question this belief to some extent...

Nicotine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties. However, after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential.

Tobacco smoke contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman, norharman, anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. These compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers. MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOI's and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.

Here is similar information from a study by an Arizona State professor emeritus...
Professor: Nicotine does not cause cigarette addiction | The State Press - An independent daily serving Arizona State University

And then there is this...
Growing List of Positive Effects of Nicotine Seen in Neurode... : Neurology Today

Obviously the results of small studies often aren't replicated in larger studies, but at least nicotine certainly looks safe. And we've seen absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. There doesn't seem to be any abuse liability whatsoever in taking nicotine by patch in non-smokers. That's reassuring.”

And finally, you might want to read this too...
Is Nicotine Addictive ?


Then of course you have the collective experience of the people on this forum.
These experiences clearly point to a conclusion that nicotine, for many people, is nowhere near as addictive as we were led to believe.

 

[JColt]

I will say that around my 3rd month of vaping I went on a 2.5 hour car ride and out of courtesy did not vape. I had no problem at all. Had I been a smoker still I would have had to stop 3 times. I firmly believe nicotine is closer to caffeine in addictive power and it's all the other chemicals in burning tobacco that makes it hell to quit.

 

[AgentAnia]

I signed up and *still* don't have a visible captcha code. I guess somebody over there doesn't like me...

 

[JColt]

AgentAnia from the looks of it, I'd be surprised if any comments show unless from ANTZ

 

[cocoabellaRSD]

'Your comment has been saved and will be visible after moderator's approval.'

We shall see. lol I did not see any comments posted at all when I read the article.

 

[Bob Chill]

lol- they have no intention of posting anything contradictory. It would defeat their agenda.

 

[AgentAnia]

I sent an email to the editor this afternoon asking why they were refusing to allow comments by not showing the captcha code. Just received a reply: They appreciate my feedback and will look into resolving the problem...

We shall see. I have not given up!!!

EDIT: Still no comments as of this post, and still no captcha code for me.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Comments still blocked-safe to say "They can't handle the truth"

They seem just as rubbage at speling as me, HEALTHCANAL spelled with a 'C' ?