Some more good nicotine mythology info here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/529552-nicotine-myths.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/529552-nicotine-myths.html
Another dump on our parade via the media.
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Here is the info about the guy who committed suicide by injecting the e-liquid:
Case 432. Acute nicotine parenteral: undoubtedly
responsible.
Scenario/Substances: A 29 y/o male was found by EMS to
be in cardiopulmonary arrest with a suicide note indicating
that he had intravenously injected himself with eliquid.
Past Medical History: Depression
Laboratory Data: K 2.4, Glu 401, Cr 2.0, WBC 21.8, CK
977, troponin 0.34, and lactate 7.2. UDS was positive for
amphetamine.
Serum acetaminophen, ethanol, ethylene glycol, methanol,
and salicylate were not detected.
Clinical Course: He was intubated and resuscitated in the
ED, with a GCS 3, but developed seizures resistant to treatment
with lorazepam, phenobarbital, phenytoin, and leviteracetam.
Head CT was unremarkable. He was transferred to
a tertiary care hospital where the seizures were controlled
with propofol. Therapeutic hypothermia was initiated, but
he never regained consciousness. He was diagnosed with
anoxic encephalopathy and declared brain dead on Day 5.
Autopsy Findings: An autopsy was not performed as
he was an organ donor. Comprehensive serum drug testing
done on specimens collected on presentation detected
only lidocaine, which he received during his resuscitation,
nicotine 2000 ng/mL, and nicotine s primary metabolite,
cotinine 2100 ng/mL.
Taken from: https://aapcc.s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs/annual_reports/2012_NPDS_Annual_Report.pdf
Case 432. Acute nicotine parenteral: undoubtedly
responsible.
Scenario/Substances: A 29 y/o male was found by EMS to
be in cardiopulmonary arrest with a suicide note indicating
that he had intravenously injected himself with eliquid.
Past Medical History: Depression
Laboratory Data: K 2.4, Glu 401, Cr 2.0, WBC 21.8, CK
977, troponin 0.34, and lactate 7.2. UDS was positive for
amphetamine.
Serum acetaminophen, ethanol, ethylene glycol, methanol,
and salicylate were not detected.
Clinical Course: He was intubated and resuscitated in the
ED, with a GCS 3, but developed seizures resistant to treatment
with lorazepam, phenobarbital, phenytoin, and leviteracetam.
Head CT was unremarkable. He was transferred to
a tertiary care hospital where the seizures were controlled
with propofol. Therapeutic hypothermia was initiated, but
he never regained consciousness. He was diagnosed with
anoxic encephalopathy and declared brain dead on Day 5.
Autopsy Findings: An autopsy was not performed as
he was an organ donor. Comprehensive serum drug testing
done on specimens collected on presentation detected
only lidocaine, which he received during his resuscitation,
nicotine 2000 ng/mL, and nicotine s primary metabolite,
cotinine 2100 ng/mL.
Taken from: https://aapcc.s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs/annual_reports/2012_NPDS_Annual_Report.pdf
You mean like this one.... https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd
We were already snubbed by our White House.
I just read the NY TImes article and rushed here to post. Glad to see it's been widely read. This is horrible.
Yes, I signed this petition last year. Since we had to register to sign the petition, I now get frequent emails from the White House. LOL
Step back & think about what this piece of garbage article is attempting to convey...
"e-liquid is BAD.. You & your family are much better off buying pre-filled carts (made by Big Tobacco & taxed at the retail level by Big Government)"
Sounds like BT is losing customers by the truckload every day & having a tough time trying to corner the nic base market..
And they will try anything & everything (like this article) to either slow, stall or block the e-cig movement so it benefits them, and only them
Of course, Big Pharma & governments at all levels are their partners-in-crime..
It's all about the money, money, money...
"e-liquid is BAD.. You & your family are much better off buying pre-filled carts (made by Big Tobacco & taxed at the retail level by Big Government)"
Sounds like BT is losing customers by the truckload every day & having a tough time trying to corner the nic base market..
And they will try anything & everything (like this article) to either slow, stall or block the e-cig movement so it benefits them, and only them
Of course, Big Pharma & governments at all levels are their partners-in-crime..
It's all about the money, money, money...
I think the root of the problem is that Antz sees that they are going to have to start all over again. They worked long and hard to make cigarettes $8-$10 per pack and to make us stand outside in the rain fifty feet away from any door to smoke them. To them that was a victory.....they won. Now, what looks to them like smoking is coming back big time and currently they can do little about it. Without government backing they have no power at all. They see it's going to cost them millions more in political contributions to squash vaping and they are pis*ed. It took years to get where they did with cigarettes, but now they know what works and what doesn't so thing will probably move quickly. Get ready for many more articles like this.
Just my $0.02
Just my $0.02
Just trying to set the record straight: E-Cigarette industry being unfairly attacked over availability of E-Liquid - Knoxville Business | Examiner.com
I saw your article when you linked it at Vapor Joe's. Good work. You could have gone even deeper into the "solvents" issue, but still....way to use your bully pulpit. Even though saying that makes me look like a hypocrite as I was crying for unbiased reporting.
We all have our own axe to grind.
Be the voice on reason. I just posted elsewhere on the forum that two FB friends shared the link to "poison" and spent two hours of back and forth debate with the original posters and third party arguments on this scare article. In the end they all conceded it as media hype and scare tactic. The truth will win if we stick up for it with reasonable debate. Each one turned will turn someone else.
Two of those petitions were generated in the past. The first just got advanced to the FDA with their response being what they already were saying and the second, which has to be a few years old now, never got a response. Thank you White House for caring for you constituents. That among many other things made me vote against the change we elected the first time.
Maybe this is why one of my fellow associates told me yesterday that on the news he "heard" that people were being poisoned by drinking alcohol and vaping ( he said "smoking those things")...I just laughed and said, " and everything you hear on the news is true and proven right?" He said, "I'm just glad I gave up smoking" and I said, "me too about a year and half ago!" Another associate just laughed and walked away...there are about 15 of us now vaping at work, outside with the smokers.
It is to my great displeasure that I am sharing this so called "news" again. This morning the Today show is taking this garbage and running with it I really do believe the FDA is gearing up for a smack down. This is just way to prevalent in the media right now.
I really do believe the FDA is gearing up for a smack down. This is just way to prevalent in the media right now.It is to my great displeasure that I am sharing this so called "news" again. This morning the Today show is taking this garbage and running with it
You mean the liberal government is using the liberal media to further its agenda? You have to be kidding.
You know what I like about articles like this? The fact that I can use the author's ridiculous statements against them.
I've had I don't know how many people (the majority of them smokers) who at least ask about the article's validity. It's enough for them when you tell them you've been vaping for x amount of time, haven't come close to poisoning yourself, and that you were able to walk away from the analogs for good. I ask them how much money have they spent in the last 6 months of cigarettes. I ask them if they've tried the prescriptions, the gums, the patches--whatever was prescribed to them by their doctors. The minute they said, "None of that stuff worked", I give them a chance to try my vape. I haven't had one person say, "No thanks; I'll stick to smoking". Instead, they want to know more about vaping.
I think articles like this have the chance to INCREASE the numbers of vapers out there, simply due to so many people NOT believing what they're reading. I'll listen to someone who I know, or at least take the time out to explain something, than I will garbage articles like this.
I've had I don't know how many people (the majority of them smokers) who at least ask about the article's validity. It's enough for them when you tell them you've been vaping for x amount of time, haven't come close to poisoning yourself, and that you were able to walk away from the analogs for good. I ask them how much money have they spent in the last 6 months of cigarettes. I ask them if they've tried the prescriptions, the gums, the patches--whatever was prescribed to them by their doctors. The minute they said, "None of that stuff worked", I give them a chance to try my vape. I haven't had one person say, "No thanks; I'll stick to smoking". Instead, they want to know more about vaping.
I think articles like this have the chance to INCREASE the numbers of vapers out there, simply due to so many people NOT believing what they're reading. I'll listen to someone who I know, or at least take the time out to explain something, than I will garbage articles like this.
It is to my great displeasure that I am sharing this so called "news" again. This morning the Today show is taking this garbage and running with it
I thought I heard or read that this was supposed to be an anti-smoking campaign month. It appears to be an anti-vaping one instead. I've also seen an increase in BP cessation product ads on TV this month.
It is to my great displeasure that I am sharing this so called "news" again. This morning the Today show is taking this garbage and running with it
That's the way it appears to me. However, one unexpected development is that some of our previous enemies are now questioning the efforts of the hardcore prohibitionists. Hopefully more will see and speak out against the sensationalist reports some are making.
Yes. Because the Malaysian airliner "hijacked by aliens" story has run its course.It is to my great displeasure that I am sharing this so called "news" again. This morning the Today show is taking this garbage and running with it
I took inventory of my DIY gear last night. About to order a bucket o' nic. I have enough flavors to open a snow cone factory.
I'm by no means a pessimistic guy but it's coming folks. The local city bans just aren't happening fast enough and local governments just need a little more false validation from a Federal Agency. That's all it will take for politicians to simply throw up their hands and give in. (Even the proponents of e-cigs). Also, timing is everything. The 24/7 media has a lot of time to fill before the 2016 campaign coverage begins.
And where are all the B&M's in this? And the e-tailers? Why don't they unify in this? Are the profit margins that low? (I really don't know).
I agree. This is an unintended consequence of the ANTZ propaganda blitz that I find particularly hopeful. I also hope that more smokers will be moved to investigate ecigs by these articles than will be turned away from ecigs by them.
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