Reverse Engineering a custom Mix

[Darrin McDougald]

Greetings fellow Vapers!

Does anyone have an easy way to reverse engineer a single recipe from a combination of two or more mixes?

Example:
1st juice (Creamsicle-ish)
60%PG
40% VG
20% Flavor broken down as:
...10% Orange Cream
...5% Vanilla
...5% Sweet Cream

2nd juice (Pina Colada-ish)
60%PG
40% VG
20% Flavor broken down as:
...8% Pineapple
...8% coconut
...4% Sweet Cream

Now.... Let's say I took 5ml of each juice and mixed them into a 10ml melange.
What would the resultant flavor mix be in the end?
Would you simple split the difference in % between the two, halving a unique flavor, adding shared flavor's %(s) and dividing the result by 2?

Like this: Orange Creamsicle Pina Colada blend (the total % equals back out to 20% flavor)
60/40 PG/VG
5% Orange Cream (half the % used in Juice #1)
2.5% Vanilla (half the % used in Juice #1)
4% coconut (half the % used in Juice #2)
4% pineapple (half the % used in Juice #2)
4.5% Sweet Cream (5% from Juice #1 + 4% from Juice #2 = 9%, then halved)

 

[retired1]

Moved to DIY E-Liquid

 

[dannyv45]

That just gave me a headache but I admire your thought process I would imagine what would be the easiest would be to make them seperatly and then mix them together.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

did you try to put in calculator like hotrods or juicemeup?

 

[rdwilliamson]

That just gave me a headache but I admire your thought process I would imagine what would be the easiest would be to make them seperatly and then mix them together.

I would have to agree.

 

[Train2]

that sure looks like it can't be wrong.
I mean, those ARE the ingredients, so it has to work...
If you're exact on the half/half, and it's not like one's been steeping a year and the other is fresh - then you'd get the same thing.

It IS remotely possible that there's some interaction of flavors on a molecular level that will be different (like "pineapple and coconut will bond, but only in the absence of vanilla"), but I doubt it.

 

[glasseye]

That looks good to me, it's still 20%. I had one recipe that I had 2/3 of one recipe and 1/3 of another. I very nearly broke my brain.

 

[HeadInClouds]

Yep Darrin, your math is all correct.

Of course this assumes the "Orange Creamcicle Pina Colada blend" is 50% "Creamsicle-ish" and 50% "Pina-Colada-ish". You just multiply every measure by 0.5 (50%).

If it were, say, 30% of the first and 70% of the second, you'd multiply all measures in the first by 30% and in the second by 70%.

I do it all the time because of the weird way I come up with new recipes, based on simpler ones that I combine. When one turns out good, this is exactly the math it takes to get the recipe.

 

[spaceballsrules]

OP Your logic is reasonable, or is it your reasoning is logical? Either way, you have it right. You would just split the difference with the flavors if the mix is 50/50.

 

[BigDaddio]

Greetings fellow Vapers!

Does anyone have an easy way to reverse engineer a single recipe from a combination of two or more mixes?

Example:
1st Juice (Creamsicle-ish)
60%PG
40% VG
20% Flavor broken down as:
...10% Orange Cream
...5% Vanilla
...5% Sweet Cream

2nd Juice (Pina Colada-ish)
60%PG
40% VG
20% Flavor broken down as:
...8% Pineapple
...8% coconut
...4% Sweet Cream

Now.... Let's say I took 5ml of each juice and mixed them into a 10ml melange.
What would the resultant flavor mix be in the end?
Would you simple split the difference in % between the two, halving a unique flavor, adding shared flavor's %(s) and dividing the result by 2?

Like this: Orange Creamsicle Pina Colada blend (the total % equals back out to 20% flavor)
60/40 PG/VG
5% Orange Cream (half the % used in Juice #1)
2.5% Vanilla (half the % used in Juice #1)
4% coconut (half the % used in Juice #2)
4% pineapple (half the % used in Juice #2)
4.5% Sweet Cream (5% from Juice #1 + 4% from Juice #2 = 9%, then halved)

OK you've got it. As long as you are making a 50/50 blend of the two recipes. Some math...

Orange Cream = 10% or 50% of total flavor. You calculate it by taking %flavor / TotalFlavor so 10/20 = .5 * 100 = 50%.
Then since you are combining it 50/50 multiply by .5 = 25%
If you wanted recipe 1 to be 60% and Recipe 2 to be 40% you would multiply the R1 % by .6 and the R2 by .4

If you do this with each flavor you will get a blend that adds up to 100% put the % into the eJuiceMeUp percentage calculator if you want to change the overall %

It will get a bit weirder if the two recipes are not the same total flavor % but the math can be done.

Yea I do math for a living, so to speak, programmer.

 

[we2rcool]

OK you've got it. As long as you are making a 50/50 blend of the two recipes. Some math...

Orange Cream = 10% or 50% of total flavor. You calculate it by taking %flavor / TotalFlavor so 10/20 = .5 * 100 = 50%.
Then since you are combining it 50/50 multiply by .5 = 25%
If you wanted recipe 1 to be 60% and Recipe 2 to be 40% you would multiply the R1 % by .6 and the R2 by .4

If you do this with each flavor you will get a blend that adds up to 100% put the % into the eJuiceMeUp percentage calculator if you want to change the overall %

It will get a bit weirder if the two recipes are not the same total flavor % but the math can be done.

Yea I do math for a living, so to speak, programmer.

If ever you have the time & inclination, we would oh-so-seriously-appreciate seeing a non-math-for-a-living explanation of the "bit weirder" way!

 

[we2rcool]

Yep Darrin, your math is all correct.

Of course this assumes the "Orange Creamcicle Pina Colada blend" is 50% "Creamsicle-ish" and 50% "Pina-Colada-ish". You just multiply every measure by 0.5 (50%).

If it were, say, 30% of the first and 70% of the second, you'd multiply all measures in the first by 30% and in the second by 70%.

I do it all the time because of the weird way I come up with new recipes, based on simpler ones that I combine. When one turns out good, this is exactly the math it takes to get the recipe.

THANK YOU very much for sharing that! It's one thing to understand-the-math; it's another to know that someone has used it successfully! WOOHOO!

 

[BigDaddio]

If ever you have the time & inclination, we would oh-so-seriously-appreciate seeing a non-math-for-a-living explanation of the "bit weirder" way!

A bit weirder means I am too tired to think about it... : P

It would become more complex and require that you turn everything into percentages.


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[Darrin McDougald]

Yep Darrin, your math is all correct.

Of course this assumes the "Orange Creamcicle Pina Colada blend" is 50% "Creamsicle-ish" and 50% "Pina-Colada-ish". You just multiply every measure by 0.5 (50%).

If it were, say, 30% of the first and 70% of the second, you'd multiply all measures in the first by 30% and in the second by 70%.

I do it all the time because of the weird way I come up with new recipes, based on simpler ones that I combine. When one turns out good, this is exactly the math it takes to get the recipe.

Thank you, that is what I was looking for. I used 50/50 to make the math simple for the post but that was my assumption, ratio being equal, divide each recipe by number of components. Ratio being diseperate, multiply that recipe's ingredients by the ration percent.

-D

 

[Darrin McDougald]

OK you've got it. As long as you are making a 50/50 blend of the two recipes. Some math...

Orange Cream = 10% or 50% of total flavor. You calculate it by taking %flavor / TotalFlavor so 10/20 = .5 * 100 = 50%.
Then since you are combining it 50/50 multiply by .5 = 25%
If you wanted recipe 1 to be 60% and Recipe 2 to be 40% you would multiply the R1 % by .6 and the R2 by .4

If you do this with each flavor you will get a blend that adds up to 100% put the % into the eJuiceMeUp percentage calculator if you want to change the overall %

It will get a bit weirder if the two recipes are not the same total flavor % but the math can be done.

Yea I do math for a living, so to speak, programmer.

Thank you. The math is clear(er) now. I was Assuming that was how it would work out.
-D

 

[dannyv45]

I've still got a headache. At this point I'd accept a drop of this and a little of that then shake Math was never my strong point as long as I get the correct change from a twenty I'm happy.

 

[Darrin McDougald]

Moved to DIY E-Liquid

Thank you!
I thought I was creating the post in DIY... Guess that's what I get for thinking.

 

[HotRod19579]

Greetings fellow Vapers!

Does anyone have an easy way to reverse engineer a single recipe from a combination of two or more mixes?

Example:
1st Juice (Creamsicle-ish)
60%PG
40% VG
20% Flavor broken down as:
...10% Orange Cream
...5% Vanilla
...5% Sweet Cream

2nd Juice (Pina Colada-ish)
60%PG
40% VG
20% Flavor broken down as:
...8% Pineapple
...8% coconut
...4% Sweet Cream

Now.... Let's say I took 5ml of each juice and mixed them into a 10ml melange.
What would the resultant flavor mix be in the end?
Would you simple split the difference in % between the two, halving a unique flavor, adding shared flavor's %(s) and dividing the result by 2?

Like this: Orange Creamsicle Pina Colada blend (the total % equals back out to 20% flavor)
60/40 PG/VG
5% Orange Cream (half the % used in Juice #1)
2.5% Vanilla (half the % used in Juice #1)
4% coconut (half the % used in Juice #2)
4% pineapple (half the % used in Juice #2)
4.5% Sweet Cream (5% from Juice #1 + 4% from Juice #2 = 9%, then halved)

I thought that this would be a nice feature to add to a calculator. Mix xx ml's of 1 juice with xx ml's of another juice and create the resulting recipe. I added this feature to the calculator discussed in this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/480587-new-calculator-try-20.html#post11569546

 

[fogging_katrider]

ahhh crap, i thought i was going to read a discussion that has something to do with reverse engineering an unknown recipe.