Reynolds developing new smokeless products

[Petrodus]

Reynolds developing new smokeless products

Interesting ...
I'm sure Reynolds jumping in has been discussed before.
However, this article, may provide more details.

 

[VapApe]

I still wonder if their snus is snus and not repackaged dip.

 

[Mrgreen819]

Interesting,winston salem is just up the road from me. In fact tobacco is still grown right on my road,you can easily recognize it and watch them harvest and cure it. I do think we are going to see some changes soon,hopefully for the better.

 

[JAY73]

well first lorilard now these guys looks like big tobbaco is on the way in i hear swisher sweets is coming out with there own diposable next thing you know we will be able to buy big tobbaco juice... good or bad it is on the way...

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Liked this article, it seemed to be straight forward and honest about where harm reduction is at this point. One thing bothered me about it, it almost reads like a press release for Reynolds and the smoke shop. That's OK, any good press for harm reduction is fine with me.

 

[GreyfoxofTymberhaven]

What I find funny is now maybe that Big Tobacco wants a piece all the sudden e-cigs are a good idea. ROFL. I say no way to them. I'm kinda mean tho

 

[Vocalek]

John Spangler sounds like a wise doctor:

"I cannot fully recommend it because I cannot vouch for the purity or potency of the nicotine in the liquid," Spangler said. "I tell my patients the potential risks and benefits of the e-cigarette and let them make the decision."

Now if only Mayor Bloomberg could develop such an attitude.

 

[Bill Godshall]

According to Pat Shehan, owner of the Tarheel Tobacco retail-shop chain, Reynolds is introducing in limited "lead markets" an electronic cigarette branded as Vuse and smokeless pouches and pellets branded as Viceroy.

Reynolds spokesman David Howard said the company "is not in a position to comment on specific brand names or retail locations at this time as things are still a work in progress."

Shehan said those products are available in his stores at 6311 Stadium Drive in Clemmons, 3193 Peters Creek Parkway in Winston-Salem and in Danville, Va.

A PowerPoint presentation describes Vuse as a "single, ready-to-go digital vapor cigarette with no charging or assembly required."

"Since they've asked me to not display the new products, most of the sales have come to Reynolds employees," Shehan said, noting that even though the products are not on display, they can be sold to customers who ask for them. "But the news of the products is out there."

This is a strange way for Reynolds to begin marketing e-cigarettes (by not saying anything about it publicly, while shipping and sending a power point presentation about the products to select retailers, and telling them to hide the products).

Vocalek wrote:

John Spangler sounds like a wise doctor:

Except that Spangler has (for the past decade) staunchly opposed smokeless tobacco products (including snuff, snus & dissolvables) for tobacco harm reduction, has greatly exaggerated their health risks, and has falsely accused tobacco companies of target marketing new smokefree alternatives to children.

But Spangler told me two years ago that he supports e-cigarettes (but he probably wouldn't if they were first marketed by tobacco companies) and that he doesn't understand why some public health advocates, agencies and organizations want to ban them, and why they demonize them.

Several weeks after he told me that, Spangler was quoted in a news article criticizing smokeless tobacco products, and claiming they are marketed to youth.

Spangler and Mike Siegel (and some others) have long oppposed smokeless tobacco products for harm reduction, while supporting e-cigarettes, apparently just because tobacco companies market smokeless tobacco and don't market e-cigarettes (until now).

Hopefully, the entry of tobacco companies in the e-cigarette industry (and perhaps even more importantly the NRT industry) will encourage Spangler, Siegel and everyone else to reconsider their longstanding opposition to smokeless tobacco products for harm reduction, as well as their longstanding advocacy for NRT as a smoking cessation aid.

 

[Petrodus]

At some point ...
Many in the past opposed to harm reduction who spread lies
will eventually come around or be less vocal ... Realizing they
would be laughed off the stage if trying to double down on lies
realizing the public knows the truth.

 

[Vocalek]

At some point ...
Many in the past opposed to harm reduction who spread lies
will eventually come around or be less vocal ... Realizing they
would be laughed off the stage if trying to double down on lies
realizing the public knows the truth.

As the saying goes, "From your mouth to God's ear."

 

[Fiamma]

I read Dr. Siegel and I don't see him saying anything other than NRT's don't work for more than 7 or 8% of the people who try them. He is also very quick to point out the big pharma money connections to the so called scientific put downs of e cigs as a harm reduction strategy. He seems to totally support the proliferation of e cigs as harm reduction.

 

[TennDave]

I read Dr. Siegel and I don't see him saying anything other than NRT's don't work for more than 7 or 8% of the people who try them. He is also very quick to point out the big pharma money connections to the so called scientific put downs of e cigs as a harm reduction strategy. He seems to totally support the proliferation of e cigs as harm reduction.

I believe we're talking about a different Dr. Siegel here- there are two...one who is for us and one who has been against us. Correct me if I'm wrong- I know it's confusing.

 

[Bill Godshall]

My sentence was confusing, and there's only one Mike Siegel (who advocates tobacco policy).

While Siegel has supported e-cigarettes for harm reduction, he long opposed smokeless tobacco products (although a recent posting of Mike's about dissolvables seemed conciliatory).

And during the past several years, Siegel has become more critical of NRT (and other drug industry products) for smoking cessation.

Spangler has publicly advocated NRT, privately endorsed e-cigarettes, and publicly opposed smokeless tobacco.

The point I was trying to make about NRT is that once Reynolds begins marketing NRT products for smoking cessation, I suspect that more folks who hate Reynolds and other tobacco companies (and who aren't funded by drug companies) will begin criticizing NRT as ineffective for smoking cessation (simply because Reynolds is beginning to sell the products).

 

[Stubby]

I read Dr. Siegel and I don't see him saying anything other than NRT's don't work for more than 7 or 8% of the people who try them. He is also very quick to point out the big pharma money connections to the so called scientific put downs of e cigs as a harm reduction strategy. He seems to totally support the proliferation of e cigs as harm reduction.

I believe we're talking about a different Dr. Siegel here- there are two...one who is for us and one who has been against us. Correct me if I'm wrong- I know it's confusing.

There is only one.

Siegel is an odd one in that he has been supporting e-cigs but has been opposed to the use of smokeless tobacco as an alternative to smoking. That is a rather strange stance for someone like him in that the science clearly favors smokeless tobacco simple because there is much more of it. There are decades of research showing smokeless tobacco to be dramatically less harmful then smoking.

It appears his hatred of tobacco companies has compromised his objectivity.

 

[Kurt]

I would gladly try US made snus if I could be assured it was pasteurized, and not fermented, tobacco. Fermentation adds considerable TSNAs to the tobacco that pasteurization does not, from the info I have read. Until I am assured of this, if I use snus, it will be swedish only. I tried a Camel snus a couple years ago, a mint one, and it tasted like it had aspartame in it. That's another thing I hate about american companies, thinking only sickly sweet is going to sell.

 

[VapApe]

John Spangler sounds like a wise doctor:



Now if only Mayor Bloomberg could develop such an attitude.

Sorry to say. Chances of that are slim to none. And Slim left town.

 

[Stubby]

I would gladly try US made snus if I could be assured it was pasteurized, and not fermented, tobacco. Fermentation adds considerable TSNAs to the tobacco that pasteurization does not, from the info I have read. Until I am assured of this, if I use snus, it will be swedish only. I tried a Camel snus a couple years ago, a mint one, and it tasted like it had aspartame in it. That's another thing I hate about american companies, thinking only sickly sweet is going to sell.

This is an interesting read on camel SNUS

Camel Robust and Winterchill SNUS - Is it Real Snus yet?

I have heard some good things about Skoal snus but don't know any details on what type of tobacco is used or how it is processed.

 

[Kurt]

Good read, Stubby! Brings up all the important processing points and I learned new things. Thanks!

 

[Bill Godshall]

Reynolds claims that Camel Snus has 75% market share of the US snus market, everyone agrees that it tastes better than Marlboro Snus, and Camel Snus appears to be the entry brand in the US snus market segment, which also benefits Swedish Match.

And Reynolds has spent a lot of money running full page ads urging smokers to quit by switching to Camel Snus.

Chewing tobacco and Copenhagen moist snuff have lots of TSNAs, but epidemiological studies have found that those products have very similar health risk/benefit profiles as Swedish snus (i.e. very little, if any health risks and enormous health benefits for smokers who switch).

 

[Stubby]

Reynolds claims that Camel Snus has 75% market share of the US snus market, everyone agrees that it tastes better than Marlboro Snus, and Camel Snus appears to be the entry brand in the US snus market segment, which also benefits Swedish Match.

And Reynolds has spent a lot of money running full page ads urging smokers to quit by switching to Camel Snus.

Chewing tobacco and Copenhagen moist snuff have lots of TSNAs, but epidemiological studies have found that those products have very similar health risk/benefit profiles as Swedish snus (i.e. very little, if any health risks and enormous health benefits for smokers who switch).

I agree with everything you said. I think the big illusion about smokeless is that swedish snus is dramatically less harmful then american dip and chew. The studies are not showing that.

I still prefer swedish snus over american snus for both the taste and a better nicotine hit, and I prefer snus over dip because it is spit free, but as far as the risk goes there is very little to no difference from the studies I have read.

The joke on the street is that american camel snus is the best advertising Swedish Match has done in the US.