This is what they have on their site. I haven't personally done so, but the worst sending them an email will do is add you to a new spam list.
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This is what they have on their site. I haven't personally done so, but the worst sending them an email will do is add you to a new spam list.
I think they are trying to appeal to the suppliers. they don't wanta get their suppliers upset or hurt their bus. but like bus is now days if you are willing to buy bulk they will sell to anyone. in the past a wholesaler would only sell to a supplier and no one else. they wouldn't even advertise their wholesale prices to protect their suppliers. not now...not with the internet. you got the cash they got the product!
we never got as far as paying them Bertrand.. and i know it sounds daft but the cheapest way of us getting out batteries and atomizers would be to buy in a whole bunch of their $9 dollar RN 901 kits
i just get sick of the sheer wast of all this.. he he he
trog
Amazing waste, isn't it? But then if you bought the PARTS of a car and assembled one yourself .. the cost would approach the National Debt. So you follow the cheapest route as the smart consumer thing to do.
Trog, I'm probably teaching you to suck eggs here but is there no local engineering companies that can turn out the threaded bits? I suppose they all charge more than butchering new stuff
Trog, I'm probably teaching you to suck eggs here but is there no local engineering companies that can turn out the threaded bits? I suppose they all charge more than butchering new stuff
If you got them to make it out of something a little stronger than brass, you would avoid some returns when the threads wear out, so it might be worth it even if it costs a little more. You might also be able to get it threaded on both ends, so you can avoid the other weak point, the grub screws.
i think all the local engineering companies went bust years ago.. he he..
we could do them but its cheaper to let the chinese do it.. the chinese really are miracle workers.. how the hell they make what they do for the price they do amazes me..
try this one.. i have one coming for a friend..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gold-Mechanic...photoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
think about all those intricate parts then tell me how they do it..
trog
ps.. 1.99 buys them by the way..
we could do them but its cheaper to let the chinese do it.. the chinese really are miracle workers.. how the hell they make what they do for the price they do amazes me..
try this one.. i have one coming for a friend..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gold-Mechanic...photoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
think about all those intricate parts then tell me how they do it..
trog
ps.. 1.99 buys them by the way..
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It's pretty sad how some companies in china treat their workers. There was a documentary on pbs called China Blue not long ago. The company employed young women. There was a dormitory that they were housed in. They ate, slept and worked. They took full advantage of the young women's timidity by not paying them for large blocks of time. These women depended on the factories for housing and food, most of them had been recruited from abroad and used their jobs to support their families in other parts of the country, so they could not go anywhere. The group the documentary was following tried confronting the bosses about the pay that was being withheld and the factory manager shouted at them like dogs. As unrest in the factory grows the manager later drives up in his Mercedes and issues the pay checks that were past due, but only on the condition that the workers agree to stick around. They made 62 cents on every pair of 64 dollar jeans they made. So I'm guessing they make about the same to put together our e-cigs...
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sweat shops unfortunately
are there Chinese regulations set in place like here in the US? (ie: minimum wage?)
i find the cheap labour answer a little too easy.. even with free labour i would find it hard to see how they can do it..
a lot of it has to be made at loss simply to keep the chinese in jobs.. they do say its possible 25% of chinese factories might have to close over the next few months.. china is massively over producing just to keep its work force happy.. the factory workers are rich compared to the rural peasants.. they want to stay that way..
boom and bust in a huge way.. they need 8% economic growth just to stay level with rising population.. if the west gets poorer china is in big trouble..
i do my bit to keep em in jobs... he he he
trog
another piece of the low price puzzle might be lower quality raw materials, lower standard of living, lower cost of living, etc. It is a broad syndrome of our world in post-industrialized nations is VERY different from China's world while it is still trying desparately to industrialize. Life was not so very different for our ancestors during our industrialization period - poor working conditions, little or no pay, slave labor, indentured servants, etc.
Now, we wouldn't dream of mass producing low quality goods. We must produce the highest quality goods to stay in business in our economy - otherwise the consumers will get their low quality wares from a cheaper source like China.
I, too, do my part to keep them in business since I can only afford to buy their goods unless I want to give up having the latest gizmos until they are obsolete.
Now, we wouldn't dream of mass producing low quality goods. We must produce the highest quality goods to stay in business in our economy - otherwise the consumers will get their low quality wares from a cheaper source like China.
I, too, do my part to keep them in business since I can only afford to buy their goods unless I want to give up having the latest gizmos until they are obsolete.
I just don't know how that is possible. Much may be machine made but the watch will be hand assembled and I'm betting it will be pretty good quality. A similar watch from Japan never mind Switzerland would cost ??????? much.
I've getting one anyway
I've getting one anyway
I just don't know how that is possible. Much may be machine made but the watch will be hand assembled and I'm betting it will be pretty good quality. A similar watch from Japan never mind Switzerland would cost ??????? much.
I've getting one anyway
u will be surprised pete.. another f-cking chinese gizmo addiction.. he he he
these are the real chinese watches.. at chinese prices..
these are "fake" chinese watches.. they create a designer brand name and a "fake" retail price... say 1200 dollars..
NEW WOHLER AUTOMATIC MEN RESERVE STEEL GOLD WATCH $1600 on eBay, also, Wristwatches, Watches, Jewelry Watches (end time 17-Nov-08 22:00:00 GMT)
the product looks supern and is probably made by the same factory that makes the £1.99 watches
i love all this stuff.. it really is a chinese puzzle.. he he
trog
ps.. my answer form the other dudes..
Hello,
On this very cheap prices is the MIN order 700 USD
Regards,
Jocelyn
CentralTrade Ltd.
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322000 Yiwu Zhejiang Province
Tel: +86-579-85116385
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E-mail: info@centraltrade.eu
Web: CentralTrade Your Business Partner in China
The question is, would you pay 100 GBP for your e-cig?
Most would say no, but in order to give Chinese workers a fair deal, that would be the price. So we are faced with a moral and financial dilemma. Business means making profit from goods or services and competing in a free enterprise market. If I were to take the moral high ground and insist that our factory pay better wages then we would probably not sell many e-cigs, meaning we would go out of business and the factory would have to find another benefactor, close or go back to average wages. China will no doubt catch up eventually but at the moment they are going through childhood in their industrial, technological and economic development - production line means a long row of tables with workers hand assembling everything.
Around 8 years ago many companies started moving into China as there were a lot of grants for setting up factories - they wanted our know how and were offering cheap labour. At that time a major shoe manufacturer from the UK moved the bulk of production over there and shed half of the UK workforce just before Christmas, around 350 people on the dole with many having little prospect of finding jobs in an area that had relied on shoe factories for a long time. The average European wage in the industry was 1200 GBP per month, the average in China was around 60 GBP per month, which meant it was a no-brainer to manufacturers. They could afford to reject up to 30% of imported stock and still make more profit.
So do we stay in business and be accused of profiteering at the expense of Chinese workers or do we agree with all other suppliers to multiply our prices x 5, pay the Chinese workers more money and risk losing customers back to the cheaper tobacco alternative?
Anyone can make a documentary highlighting the plight of people all over the world (and I agree that there are some horrendous situations), but do they offer solutions that will satisfy everyone?
£3 a cartridge anyone?
Cheers.
John.
Most would say no, but in order to give Chinese workers a fair deal, that would be the price. So we are faced with a moral and financial dilemma. Business means making profit from goods or services and competing in a free enterprise market. If I were to take the moral high ground and insist that our factory pay better wages then we would probably not sell many e-cigs, meaning we would go out of business and the factory would have to find another benefactor, close or go back to average wages. China will no doubt catch up eventually but at the moment they are going through childhood in their industrial, technological and economic development - production line means a long row of tables with workers hand assembling everything.
Around 8 years ago many companies started moving into China as there were a lot of grants for setting up factories - they wanted our know how and were offering cheap labour. At that time a major shoe manufacturer from the UK moved the bulk of production over there and shed half of the UK workforce just before Christmas, around 350 people on the dole with many having little prospect of finding jobs in an area that had relied on shoe factories for a long time. The average European wage in the industry was 1200 GBP per month, the average in China was around 60 GBP per month, which meant it was a no-brainer to manufacturers. They could afford to reject up to 30% of imported stock and still make more profit.
So do we stay in business and be accused of profiteering at the expense of Chinese workers or do we agree with all other suppliers to multiply our prices x 5, pay the Chinese workers more money and risk losing customers back to the cheaper tobacco alternative?
Anyone can make a documentary highlighting the plight of people all over the world (and I agree that there are some horrendous situations), but do they offer solutions that will satisfy everyone?
£3 a cartridge anyone?
Cheers.
John.
It is a dilemma without doubt, particularly so with China where the poor sods have nothing approaching human rights. Globalization has given consumers in the West cheap luxury goods at the cost of loosing their own manufacturing industry and exploiting cheap labour. I remember when the USSR existed, they desperately tried to get Western currency by selling cameras, watches at well below cost price, they didn't succeed because their gear was good but clunky and certainly not trendy but many a photographer started off with a Zenith or Zorki camera.
China can produce very high quality goods but normally it's when a western company opens it's own factory or strictly controls the process. Not the norm with e-cigs.
Oh well, actually I did spend £100 on my e-cig !!
China can produce very high quality goods but normally it's when a western company opens it's own factory or strictly controls the process. Not the norm with e-cigs.
Oh well, actually I did spend £100 on my e-cig !!
u did pete and so have a few others.. but we (as a society) are not exploiting the chinese.. things have to start somewhere.. we started back in the dank dark victorian mills.. things move on..
a chinese factory worker is rich compared to a chinese peasant.. china is about to have major possibly bring down goverment type problems as we lose our ability to keep "exploiting" them.. they aint gonna be happy having to go back home to peasant land which is what looks to be on the cards for many of them..
the chinese have a curse.. may you be born into interesting times.. we are entering such times.. most of us aint aware of it yet.. but for sure we are..
trog
ps.. china really only has one priority.. keeping its workers in jobs..
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A very valid point Trog- A Chinese factory worker will be rich by comparison to the peasant. And yes, if our financial fiasco continues the Chinese will suffer. I think probably the child workers in India have the worst deal, some of the Westerner designer labels really should hang their heads in shame
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