I am not sure I am following either of the above posts. perhaps the posters could kindly elaborate. I am sure it is interesting.
as for me to summerize the notable points of this thread so far:
Ludo announces that the KR808 which manufactured by kanger and is being distributed by royal smoker is a conterfeit of one of Janty's products which is being distributed illegally and announces that anyone purchasing this model will be commiting a criminal offence:
"Looks more like this fake company is blatent and illegal copying JANTY products! Please be aware that if you buy from this company, you commit a criminal offense by purchasing illegal and fake copies. Janty cannot be held responsible for any claims for these copies.
Please be assured that JANTY will ALWAYS announce OFFICIAL distributors on this and other forums."
He also plays the victim card:
"What it means for our end consumers if you buy these fake copies: We will need to fight these pirates through our lawyer and patent office and this is costly, therefore some models we announced will not be available in the near future because we will need to cut in our development budgets and bring these budgets over to our legal defense"
Apon being asked as to which patents these models infringe apon he clouds his response:
"You might want to take a closer look at our Mini Fogger and the picture they posted...
anyway, I'm not going into this discussion publicly as my lawyer asks me not to do so, to not damage the legal procedures we are undertaking as I speak."
Apon being reminded that he had previously mentioned that he once purchased and copied one of loong totem electronic cigarettes and decided not to put it to market becasue he thought it was unneccessary waste he responds that this was only research, not sales and that a company has the right to do to what ever they please with any device as long as they do not copy or sell it:
"That is called research! not sales!"
"no, you can open it, test it, do whatever you want with it for as long as it is internal research. Just do not copy it or sell it."
With further probing as to who manufactures his mini fogger and being shown the hypocrisy of his argument he becomes very shy and defensive and signs off by belittling the points raised as trolling. he also alludes to the fact that he had previously been aggrevated by a member on another forum whom he names though he is not 100% sure that it is the same member in this case as the current "troll" is surfing to the site using a specific proxy. he chooses his words carefully in a show of finesse.
"Not at al speechless, I'm just not answering trolls. Some trolls are called "denker" on other forums, some trolls surf through anonymous.org
I don't trust trolls."
When a post detailing the reason that Ludo was able to allude that the site was surfed to by a "troll" using a specific proxy, it is promptly deleted. the reason put forward in this post is that Ludo's has an inside partner called shawnp1, who moderates the forum, feeds him information, deletes posts for him and acts as his shill. further evidence to their allegience and their deeds are listed in this post.
Ludo is then further pushed to respond to his allegations that his new mini fogger has been counterfeited by Kanger and illegaly sold by Royal smoker. He is also asked to clarify that that Janty has it's own exclusive factory which manufactures it's own products as stated in his signature. he is asked if the minifogger is not a kr808 at all.
Ludo does not respond in the thread but instead chooses to reply in a private mail to the poster. The poster details some of the contents of this mail: the mini fogger(sic) was produced by a contracted factory and is similar to the KR808, but has been modified (in ways he must keep secret so that he has a leg up on the competitors). The version you see on Royal smokers isn't the same as the modified version he will be selling, they just ripped off the paintjob.
So here we have a change in temperment. No longer is Kanger accused of copying his mini fogger and royal smoker of illegaly distributing a fake janty. now the kr808 has been demoted to the status of only being similar to the mini fogger which is apparently produced by a another contracted factory. but does this mean that the legal proceedings are still underway against royal smoker? against kanger?
Did Ludo base the design of the mini fogger on the kr808? surely this would be below his high standards as he would only be allowed to do internal research on th kr808 not copy the design. But ludo has previously claimed that the kr808 is a counterfeit of his design. I am confused. Which is based on which ?
could it be the case that that his mini fogger is in fact a modified kr808 or just a kr808 with a "paintjob". Could it be similar to his KISS which has been claimed by some to be only a modified DSE801 with a manual switch, the manual switch element being designed from an open source project ?
Is Ludo busy hording patents so he can claim ownership of any electronic cigarette device out there and put the suppliers of similar re-badged generics out of business ?
