RTA for beginner's?

[Fajar]

Hey everyone! Right now i'm still practicing my coil building skills. In the mean time I'd like ask about recommended rta's for a beginner like myself, hence meaning a rta's which have minimal difficulty building on
Asides the difficulty part, I'd like an RTA that's not that much of a juice hog, such as Atlantis, Griffin or the tfv4. I asked my local forum a guy told me that the Griffin's consumption is an equal trade off for it's great clouds and flavor producing performance. He also suggested the OBS Crius, saying that the RTA is competition to the Griffin.

So now I'd like to ask the international forum for suggestions. Is my friend's suggestion spot on, or are there any different one? Thanks a bunch

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

The best to start with, imo, is a Lemo or Lemo V2. They offer screws or post holes, are single coil, and easy to build. Another good starter is the Kanger Subtank Mini with the V2 RBA deck. Again, single coil and simple. If you've got to have dual coils, then the Crius is a good choice. The deck is Velocity style, but smaller than the Griffin. If you want variety, get a SMOK TFV4 or TFV4 Mini. Then you can practice on around 5 different interchangeable decks, and have premade coils as backups. The premade coils are a bit thirsty, but the decks don't have to be...

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[Fajar]

The best to start with, imo, is a Lemo or Lemo V2. They offer screws or post holes, are single coil, and easy to build. Another good starter is the Kanger Subtank Mini with the V2 RBA deck. Again, single coil and simple. If you've got to have dual coils, then the Crius is a good choice. The deck is Velocity style, but smaller than the Griffin. If you want variety, get a SMOK TFV4 or TFV4 Mini. Then you can practice on around 5 different interchangeable decks, and have premade coils as backups. The premade coils are a bit thirsty, but the decks don't have to be...

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Wow, so many options to consider! Let me break this down:
- Lemo: I've heard of this one, not too found of the overall design but if it's easy to build then it's worth to consider.
- Subank Mini: how does this compare to the Toptank Mini and it's RBA? Seeing as prebuilt coils are also available makes this one my top choices.
- Crius: The way you put it makes it look like a Griffin mini then lol! Then it should have less juice consumption than the Griffin, no? The underestimated RTA looks more appealing already
- TFV4 mini: I just googled it and found out it has a prebuilt triple-coil! No wonder its such a juice hog! But the clouds it produces are massive, and if i'm ever more seduced to cloud chasing then i just might buy it as well, LOL!

Many things to consider here. But seeing that i'm still a beginner, I might lay my choices on the subtank/toptank mini or the Crius (or both,lol). Many thanks sir!

 

[absoluttalent]

Cant comment on the Crius, or Lemo

But I did have a lemo2, Tfv4 full size, and subtank mini. All good ones to start on. My lemo2 had issues with thicker juices (70% vg and under were ok), and I am still not a big fan of the TFv4 but it was easy to build on. But the subtank mini is excellent as a starting point. As long as its the v2 rba (holes are on the sides like their pre-built coils).
I still break out the subtank mini when I want an easy single coil for on the go.

 

[rice721]

IMO tanks with RBA section usually have a tiny build deck so at least for me that makes it more difficult to build on.

I've built on single coil KFL decks, dual post (non velocity) bellus deck, quad post billow v2 decks, and velocity style decks. Velocity is by far the easiest.

I would suggest the Griffin as a beginners RTA tbh. As for juice consumption, build regular Kanthals with a >0.5 resistance and vape it at or below 40W...

I think no matter what you do dual coil will consume a fair amount of juice. If this is a no go for you then check out the Bachelor (no experience) or a dual coil RTA with a blocker like the Bellus.

 

[Fajar]

Cant comment on the Crius, or Lemo

But I did have a lemo2, Tfv4 full size, and subtank mini. All good ones to start on. My lemo2 had issues with thicker juices (70% vg and under were ok), and I am still not a big fan of the TFv4 but it was easy to build on. But the subtank mini is excellent as a starting point. As long as its the v2 rba (holes are on the sides like their pre-built coils).
I still break out the subtank mini when I want an easy single coil for on the go.

Does the subtank RBA compare differently to Toptank mini RBA?

 

[Fajar]

IMO tanks with RBA section usually have a tiny build deck so at least for me that makes it more difficult to build on.

I've built on single coil KFL decks, dual post (non velocity) bellus deck, quad post billow v2 decks, and velocity style decks. Velocity is by far the easiest.

I would suggest the Griffin as a beginners RTA tbh. As for juice consumption, build regular Kanthals with a >0.5 resistance and vape it at or below 40W...

I think no matter what you do dual coil will consume a fair amount of juice. If this is a no go for you then check out the Bachelor (no experience) or a dual coil RTA with a blocker like the Bellus.

So what you're saying is that the micro coils on RBA's or actually harder to build? Well it makes sense since they are smaller than normal coils, and I haven't tried building one those before.

So far I've been getting many suggestions on getting an RTA with a velocity style deck for easy builds. This is another step closer then to either the Griffin or Crius

As for juice consumption, so far I can summarize that the amount of juice used is subjective to the number of coils and how low their resistance are. I can tell you that i'm not into dual coils just yet, so maybe I concentrate on building coils above 0.5 just like you suggested.
And about that blocker. Is it that ceramic "plug" that fits onto the side of a deck with no coil attached?

 

[rice721]

Yes at least for me I find higher gauge coils to be more of a nuisance, easy to break while installing it onto the deck.

I prefer decks that can take 24gauge with at least a 2.5IAD.

Yes it's that ceramic silicone piece that blocks off one side of the deck. So far only UD RTAs and tanks with RBAs have provided this, for me at least

 

[Fajar]

Yes at least for me I find higher gauge coils to be more of a nuisance, easy to break while installing it onto the deck.

I prefer decks that can take 24gauge with at least a 2.5IAD.

Yes it's that ceramic silicone piece that blocks off one side of the deck. So far only UD RTAs and tanks with RBAs have provided this, for me at least

Curious about those ceramic plugs.. What benefit does it give when blocking one side of the deck? I mean like the Griffin supports dual coils but doesn't have the ceramic blocker, so those that mean I have to build dual coils on the Griffin?

 

[rice721]

without the blockers I don't see how you can build single coil on a dual coil deck (I guess you can make your own as a fellow member has, but to me its too much of a hassle).

I've never tried building single coil on a dual coil deck but forum members claim that it provides the same if not better flavor. I'm going to assume it will produce less clouds.

But the main benefit of single coil is that you consume less juice and you vape at a lower wattage (better battery life) while providing the same flavor as a dual coil setup.

 

[Scy123]

When I'm looking for a quick easy build, my go to tank is the kayfun 4. Not a juice hog either.

 

[Shawn Hoefer]

Subtank / Toptank RBA are one and the same.

When it comes to RBA heads vs. true RTAs, I have to disagree... they are not necessarily smaller. For instance, the RBA of the TFV4 is certainly larger than the deck in the Kayfun. Screws are bigger, too. However, it is sometimes true. The new Nautilus RBA I got is teensy weensy.

I stand by my original suggestions: Lemo/Subtank for single coil and TFV4 for versatility.

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[Stinkytofus]

Just jump right in to the good tank


Aromamizer supreme rdta

 

[gardenia_bread]

would suggest tanks that allows you to access the deck without emptying the tank, eg. griffin, obs, aromamizer, bellus, etc.
makes life alot easier, if you don't know what you are doing

but one draw back is such tanks don't allow use for pre-build coil heads thou

 

[Paul lamb]

You definitely want to consider an rta which uses a two post velocity deck. Easy to build on generally more space

 

[absoluttalent]

IMO tanks with RBA section usually have a tiny build deck so at least for me that makes it more difficult to build on.
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I am going to have to disagree with you on this.
While the subtank rba is small compared to a velocity style, it's more basic to build on.

Remember, it's a beginner. Being forced to use a dual coil, like in a griffin, adds more to the plate of someone learning to build and wick effectively. Twice as many things can go wrong leading to a discouraging vape and build experience.

Starting out making coils, I'm pretty sure he's not jumping right into quad parallel double Clapton alien wizbangers. So a huge velocity deck is a bit over kill.

Using the subtank for an example. It's got good room for a single coil, easy to wick, decent flavor, not a juice guzzler and Phillips screws. Compared to a griffin, it's much simpler. And it has pre made coils to fall back on foot lazy days

 

[rice721]

sure, easy is subjective, I have a toptank mini with RBA although it crapped out on me during my first attempt to build. IIRC its the same style build deck as the kayfun lite plus. I find building on my KFL harder than it is on a velocity style deck.

Its not the coil making part that is hard, its the part where you have to get the coils onto/into the deck that is a tad more difficult on the KFL than it is on any velocity style deck.

And why do you have to build clapton or alien or any non standard variation on a velocity deck? You're just given the option to but its not necessary.

Get an RTA with a velocity deck because you HAVE the option to go wild in the future once you get used to building. Don't get an RTA with velocity if you only want to build single coil, unless ofc you find one with a blocker.

 

[Jumpin' In...]

To me getting the wicking right on a Lemo was a chore. Got it right and learned a lot in the process, but it was still a chore.

If you like a MTL vape, you might consider a Kayfun Mini V3, original or clone. Very small deck, but very simple to build and wick - if you have good eyes or a magnifying light and reasonable dexterity, anyway.

Get a Coil Master jig if you're new to rebuilding. They're pretty reasonably priced these days. You won't regret it. I've been using drill bits up to now, but I just got a Coil Master v3 from Sweet-Vapes for $13.95 and now sorta wish I had bought one sooner.

 

[cheech226]

i began with the subtank mini. as others have said it's very easy to build and wick and they give you 2 coils and 2 others for the rba deck. if you get into tc grab a roll of ti wire. and by all means get a coil jig. the bachelor is also a great tank. it has acres of build space and it easy to wick too, altho some have trouble with leaks.

 

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