Ruyan tackles copycats

[titanflyer]

Absolutely hilarious... China suing for copy cat infringement... thanks for the laugh... hey, China perfected copyright infringement, so they can eat their cake too...you can take any product you want over there and some company in china will recreate it for you and produce it for pennies on the dollar.

 

[dc2k08]

If Ruyan own sailbao because they threatened to drag them to court and sailbao ceded their company, how come ruyan only managed to remove one of cixi e-cig's products from the market? If ruyan's patent had merit over any e-cigs that used coiled nichrome atomizers surely cixi e-cig would have been ordered to cease trading as Ruyan imagined?

 

[Oliver]

Wow - what an astonishing thread this has turned into.

I'd really like to hear more!

 

[TropicalBob]

Absolutely. That was astounding news about Ruyan. Anything further you know that you can enlighten us with? Where do you see this heading if Ruyan aspires to "own" vaping when the smoke clears?

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Phony posturing in attempt to fool investors into believing theirs is the only product with legitimacy. Ruyan had their chance to proove their metal when Njoy brought them to court over allegations that Ruyan had informed a US casino that their product was "a black market copy". As true as this might be, If the accusation had any merit Ruyan would have come out on top. They didn't. Remarkable that they are name-calling again.

Ruyan had previously claimed Cixi E-cig was ordered to destroy their inventory and cease trading. The truth was that one of Cixi E-cigs products (probably the bling clone) infringed on one of Ruyan's patents. They stopped producing it and carried on business as usual.

I admire Ruyan's dedication to testing and safety. I just wish they'd sell their liquid in large bottles. I'd buy 'em up. Their business sense is sadly lacking.

Okay, let me tell rest of it.
Ruyan owns both First Union(RN brand) and Sailebao(DSE brand) factories as well as Dekang. Sailebao gave up when Ruyan threatened to drag them to court. There is no need for suppliers to apply for FDA approval because, well, Ruyan's application will cover both of these brands and thus most of the e-cigs available. The Ruyan you have seen selling classy products is just a cover-up, they own the industry. And the patent in question is Patent Login . They of course want to get rid of every other e-cig manufacturer so they can claim their monopoly. Getting FDA to "ban" e-cigs surely suits them. Especially they dislike Loongtotem for coming up with a vastly superior atomizer design that does not conflict with their patents. On a side kick, Ruyan has started selling 42mg carts in China.

This is how I have understood it too...

The only thing that gets suppliers is that Ruyan is obviously going the NRT route which means that all suppliers would have to apply for license to sell prescription drugs, just like the current online retailers of prescription drugs do.

JigTig, your rest of the story is correct. Ruyan is positioning themselves to be the next big pharmaceutical company. The difference between Ruyan and nJoy is that nJoy sees this as a smoking alternative to be compared with cigarettes while Ruyan wants to be compared to NRT's.

 

[Treece]

JigTig, your rest of the story is correct. Ruyan is positioning themselves to be the next big pharmaceutical company. The difference between Ruyan and nJoy is that nJoy sees this as a smoking alternative to be compared with cigarettes while Ruyan wants to be compared to NRT's.

Even though Ruyan says: "Liu said that e-cigarette manufacturers should not regard the product as substitutes, but complements to traditional tobacco."

??

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Even though Ruyan says: "Liu said that e-cigarette manufacturers should not regard the product as substitutes, but complements to traditional tobacco."

??

I know. It's twisted. However, look at all of the verbage on their website. Quit this, quit that... subside this, subside that.

What Liu said is possibly a way to let their new RAPP hit the American market? With Lobelia instead of nicotine. They are selling that as a "tonic" though and make no cessation claims. But it does clearly state on the FDA's website that nothing smokeable with Lobelia can be sold as a cessation device.

I think they are playing both sides of the fence here, understanding the uncertainty of what could happen. Almost as if they are keeping in mind their back-up plan in case they can submit as a non-pharm.

IMHO, the studies they have provided thus far should be applauded. I feel they carry great weight. It just boggles me. They go from one extreme to the other... say one thing... do the other. They intrigue me like Smokeless Innotec.

 

[Treece]

I know. It's twisted. However, look at all of the verbage on their website. Quit this, quit that... subside this, subside that.

What Liu said is possibly a way to let their new RAPP hit the American market? With Lobelia instead of nicotine. They are selling that as a "tonic" though and make no cessation claims. But it does clearly state on the FDA's website that nothing smokeable with Lobelia can be sold as a cessation device.

I think they are playing both sides of the fence here, understanding the uncertainty of what could happen. Almost as if they are keeping in mind their back-up plan in case they can submit as a non-pharm.

IMHO, the studies they have provided thus far should be applauded. I feel they carry great weight. It just boggles me. They go from one extreme to the other... say one thing... do the other. They intrigue me like Smokeless Innotec.

I'm seeing where Ruyan claims e-cigs are healthier (and state they have studies to prove it), but I don't see anything marketing them as an NRT. In fact, they have a link on their website to an LA Times article that says: "The e-cigarettes aren't marketed as a way to quit smoking, but as a smoking alternative."

Have they changed their website, or am I missing something?

 

[sherid]

I know. It's twisted. However, look at all of the verbage on their website. Quit this, quit that... subside this, subside that.

What Liu said is possibly a way to let their new RAPP hit the American market? With Lobelia instead of nicotine. They are selling that as a "tonic" though and make no cessation claims. But it does clearly state on the FDA's website that nothing smokeable with Lobelia can be sold as a cessation device.

I think they are playing both sides of the fence here, understanding the uncertainty of what could happen. Almost as if they are keeping in mind their back-up plan in case they can submit as a non-pharm.

IMHO, the studies they have provided thus far should be applauded. I feel they carry great weight. It just boggles me. They go from one extreme to the other... say one thing... do the other. They intrigue me like Smokeless Innotec.

My bet is that both or one of the two are BT China. Where did they get all that money for testing and lawsuits? Prepare for the insults of a conspiracy now.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I'm seeing where Ruyan claims e-cigs are healthier (and state they have studies to prove it), but I don't see anything marketing them as an NRT. In fact, they have a link on their website to an LA Times article that says: "The e-cigarettes aren't marketed as a way to quit smoking, but as a smoking alternative."

Have they changed their website, or am I missing something?

I am looking at their tradekey website... Ruyan china International Trade CO Ltd

You are right though... their main site is mostly product. However, they have changed their message... their original message was the one on tradekey.

 

[eplanet]

this is extremely interesting...

 

[markarich159]

What is the real deal here. What product/intellectual property patents does Ruyan actually own. I just cheked Ruyan's website again and it looks like they have 3 products, a nicer version of the 601 Pipe, something called the V8 (which looks like a DSE 801 penstyle) and 2 e-cigars.
RUYAN Electronic Cigarette Offical International Website ? Beijing SBT Ruyan Technology & Development Co., Ltd.

They list several patent certificates, but they're all in Chinese(and frankly, I would just as soon wipe my A** with a Chinese patent certificate). If they do own DSE and RN, what about Joyetech. Can anyone clearly and concisely report on what Ruyan owns, what they don't own, who's being sued legitimately, who isn't and who is completely in the clear. Thank you.

 

[warp1900]

Okay, let me tell rest of it.
Ruyan owns both First Union(RN brand) and Sailebao(DSE brand) factories as well as Dekang. Sailebao gave up when Ruyan threatened to drag them to court. There is no need for suppliers to apply for FDA approval because, well, Ruyan's application will cover both of these brands and thus most of the e-cigs available. The Ruyan you have seen selling classy products is just a cover-up, they own the industry. And the patent in question is Patent Login . They of course want to get rid of every other e-cig manufacturer so they can claim their monopoly. Getting FDA to "ban" e-cigs surely suits them. Especially they dislike Loongtotem for coming up with a vastly superior atomizer design that does not conflict with their patents. On a side kick, Ruyan has started selling 42mg carts in China.

Where did that come from?

Loongtotems have the exact same atomizer any other e-cig has.
The claim you make is based on a myth inspired by lies they have told before and still do.

If it is "VASTLY SUPERIOR", how come we are not all using them?




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[Scaralouche]

What is the real deal here. What product/intellectual property patents does Ruyan actually own. I just cheked Ruyan's website again and it looks like they have 3 products, a nicer version of the 601 Pipe, something called the V8 (which looks like a DSE 801 penstyle) and 2 e-cigars.
RUYAN Electronic Cigarette Offical International Website ? Beijing SBT Ruyan Technology & Development Co., Ltd.

They list several patent certificates, but they're all in Chinese(and frankly, I would just as soon wipe my A** with a Chinese patent certificate). If they do own DSE and RN, what about Joyetech. Can anyone clearly and concisely report on what Ruyan owns, what they don't own, who's being sued legitimately, who isn't and who is completely in the clear. Thank you.

i asked that same question on page 1, no answer. i guess nobody knows.

 

[malyden]

Not sure if anyone else posted this but I thought it interesting RUYAN AMERICA LAUNCHES E-MYSTICK RAPP - Ruyan America

RUYAN AMERICA LAUNCHES E-MYSTICK® RAPP®
August 17, 2009

New Product Designed for Adult Smokers; Contains No Tobacco and No Nicotine

The RAPP E-Mystick is designed for smokers who want the look, feel and experience of a cigarette. It contains the active ingredient lobelia, also known as "Indian Tobacco", an herbal remedy/dietary supplement; well known and often described as a respiratory tonic.

 

[BBanshee]

Not sure if anyone else posted this but I thought it interesting RUYAN AMERICA LAUNCHES E-MYSTICK RAPP - Ruyan America

Maybe more e-cig places need to try that new juice?

 

[TropicalBob]

Can you say "patent"?

And it is words like "juice" that trash our practice into the slang of drug users. E-liquid is the juice of nothing.

Juice is serving time in prison, last I heard.

 

[syntaxevasion]

Ruyan doesn't own those companies from what I've been able to tell. Interesting thought nonetheless.

Regarding the patent, Ruyan's claims detail the use of several switch designs as well as atomizing methods including both heating element (through nichrome wire) and ultrasonic action.

Ben

 

[TropicalBob]

True. Not sure where the widespread idea that Ruyan's patent only covered ultrasonic atomizers came from. But I'd still like to know more about who licenses what from whom!

 

[dc2k08]

The two e-cigs, a pipe and a cigar, that cixi e-cig were ordered to stop producing both contained piezoelectric atomizers.

Cixi E-cig were not ordered to stop producing any e-cig that used coiled nichrome in the atomizer and continue to produce and sell these e-cigs which do.

This was a decision made by a Chinese court. E-cigs using coiled nichrome atomizers do not infringe on Ruyan's patents.