Saving for an SB and have ???s

[JKBonin]

Hey all. I've done a ton of research. I started with the 510, and I really like it. Hell, I'm off analogs and anything that can do that I'm all for!

I saw the SB reviews in my research and thought... that's a tad more than I'm ready to start with.

3 days in and I'm salivating for an SB. I still love my 510, but I'm already ready for a big boy mod!

There are some confusing things about mods, and I'm looking for answers for the SB specifically.

1 - I mostly drip with my 510. A whole 2-3 drops.

What is the best combo on the SB if I want to stay w/just dripping? Atty/Cart combo I'm referring to. The more drips the better. Lasts longer and less chance of burning up the attys.

2 - Does one style atty last longer in an HV mod than another? I've read I should have LOTS of attys around for any HV mod as they cook them fairly quickly.

3 - Sounds like I'll be using the 3.7v for on the go, due to ungodly batt times, and the 6v when I'm in one place. This impression is mostly due to learning the 2/3V batts will only get about 4 or 5 hrs of vaping. And that won't last a day on the road, for sure. When I'm on the road, my days are 6-14hrs. This sound about right?

4 - Will 5 or 6 hrs (overnight basically) be enough to get a full charge into the 3.7v? The 2/3vs?

5 - How many of you guys use the 6v in public? I'm not one to really care what others think, but in this case I want to do what I can to lesson the public misunderstanding of PVs. Not sure blowing insanely large amts of vapor in public is the way to go.

6 - Is there a 'sleeve' mod available when using 2/3v batts? I understand you have to unscrew & re-screw the SB occasionally due to a 'loose' batt connection because of their smaller size.

7 - Is there now, or is there a plan to be able to use the SB @ 5v? I keep reading that 5v is the 'sweet spot'? ( And even tho' I love gadgets, I have no intention of owning 67 billion different Pvs)


I'm sure there are more questions, but that's it for now.

Any help/guidance is greatly appreciated!

 

[Martin2277]

Well I will take a stab at answering these... Just my opinion.


1 - I mostly drip with my 510. A whole 2-3 drops.

What is the best combo on the SB if I want to stay w/just dripping? Atty/Cart combo I'm referring to. The more drips the better. Lasts longer and less chance of burning up the attys.

With the 3.7v Batteries you should have no problem with the 510 setup. I use this most days. Dripping should be about the same. With 6v Batteries the 510 gets hotter much faster. Use more drops. Also I have used some HV Attys with 6V and get great results.

2 - Does one style atty last longer in an HV mod than another? I've read I should have LOTS of attys around for any HV mod as they cook them fairly quickly.

Like I have said the HV Attys will help. I have used everything from 401, 510, 901, 801, and Carts on my SB at both voltages. I have only cooked two of them and they were 901's. I just didn't have the juice on them. My fault.

3 - Sounds like I'll be using the 3.7v for on the go, due to ungodly batt times, and the 6v when I'm in one place. This impression is mostly due to learning the 2/3V batts will only get about 4 or 5 hrs of vaping. And that won't last a day on the road, for sure. When I'm on the road, my days are 6-14hrs. This sound about right?

The 18650's are 3.7v and I get much more than 9 hours. I really don't know b/c I switch to 6v.

The RCR123A's are 3.0v and they last me about 4-5 hours depending on how I am vaping.

4 - Will 5 or 6 hrs (overnight basically) be enough to get a full charge into the 3.7v? The 2/3vs?

I charge my Batteries at night. Two of the 3.7v batteries take about 2-3 hours to charge. The set of 3.0v are about the same. If you are going to get 3.0v batteries you might want to spring for an extra charger if you are planing on using more than one set a day.

5 - How many of you guys use the 6v in public? I'm not one to really care what others think, but in this case I want to do what I can to lesson the public misunderstanding of PVs. Not sure blowing insanely large amts of vapor in public is the way to go.

This could be a Poll question. I know I do but only outside.

6 - Is there a 'sleeve' mod available when using 2/3v batts? I understand you have to unscrew & re-screw the SB occasionally due to a 'loose' batt connection because of their smaller size.

I have not had any problems with the 6V setup. The batteries are not loose and no connection issues. The two batteries in series are about the same size as the one 3.7v battery.

7 - Is there now, or is there a plan to be able to use the SB @ 5v? I keep reading that 5v is the 'sweet spot'? ( And even tho' I love gadgets, I have no intention of owning 67 billion different Pvs)

Yeah I have heard that they are going to look into making a PV for 5V. I am looking foward to that. I also own a BB and the PT is very good.

Hope this all helps. Just remember to get more than one set of batteries. I have 3 of the 3.7v and 4 of the 3.0v to keep me going and rotate batteries incase I forget or am away for more than one night.

 

[Spiker]

Seems like Martin covered it all! Great Post! I have to agree 100% with everything he said! And he even included the hint that a BB with a PT is right at 5volts, so though tethered, it can be done.

 

[JKBonin]

So essentially, I should be saving for both an BB and an SB? BB w/pt for home and SB @ 6v or 3.7v on the road?

Guess i have some more research to do. Didn't know there was such a thing as an HV atty. You're saying someone like Joye sells an HV 510 atty? Or strictly aftermarket.. as in not OEM?

As for the 2/3v batts... by smaller I meant a smaller diameter. Leads to the ability to move slightly within the SB... cocking the top or bottom batt off to one side. Enough to create a bad connection. You're saying that fact doesn't create any issues? (If your answer is yes, I'll be a very happy man!) I should qualify here, the 'loose batts' thing is VERY easily remedied... unscrew screw in. Just thought if it's a consistent issue, perhaps a sleeve mod is in order.

So you're saying, in order to obtain 5v vaping, it won't be an SB mod, but an entirely new mod?

Thanx guy. Those were all awesome answers & I appreciate you taking the time to answer me.

 

[cddz]

I have no plans on making a 5v device. With the new HV atties it is rather pointless. Not everyone vapes the same. The HV atties consume less power that a resistor setup. Remember, watts is the important factor.
Chad

 

[halopunker]

What do you mean, my dear wattson (HAHAHA GET IT!)

web site is back up I'm goign to bed LoL

 

[Spiker]

as to the 2/3v (I use Tenergy RCR123a 3.0V 900mAh Li-Ion Protected) batts, they have virtually the same diameter, maybe 1-2 mm thinner, and have never had a problem with them not fitting perfectly every time. As for getting both, I did, but not necessary, I am just a sort of a junkie when it comes to gadgets. The BB is great on the go, but does have a shorter battery life, and can do 5 volts only with the Passthru connected, an add-on option for the BB. The SB will last all day and all night, and both are solid and sexy as can be! Hope that helps!

 

[JKBonin]

I have no plans on making a 5v device. With the new HV atties it is rather pointless. Not everyone vapes the same. The HV atties consume less power that a resistor setup. Remember, watts is the important factor.
Chad

Tx Chad... but you're talking greek man. I know, it's probably a pretty simple concept, but I know zero about electricity. Nada. Zilch. I'm just going by what I've read & seen. I'd ask why watts are so damned important, but I'll just go.. "uhhhhhhh... huh?" after reading it, so I won't bother!

Spiker, tx for the 3v info. Maybe what I saw was a diff. manufacturers batts. It's tough being a noob. Too many specifics to remember! 8-o

Here and I thought my research was done! Off to learn about HV attys.

 

[JKBonin]

Oh, and BTW Chad, not sure if this is your design or if you had help, but either way, damn fine job!

If you were to ask what I want in a PV, I would say... "A rock solid American made vapor monster that can last all day!"

Enter the Silver Bullet.

Let me just say, TY TY.

 

[mwahle1]

The SB is a rock-solid, great device. I guarantee you will not be disappointed. As for battery life at 6 volts, I chain-vape and the batteries last at least 4-5 hours.

 

[Pete54]

Chad. If the HV atty's take about one volt off, and you get about 5.6v under load with a stock atty running 2 3v batts, why would anyone want to use a HV device at 4.6v? I can understand using them if you are using 2 3.7v batts. Would these batts fit the SB and, if they do, would it make sense to use these with a HV atty to essentially get longer life?
http://www.batteryjunction.com/uf16340.html

 

[DaMulta]

A HV 510 at 3.50 ohm should gain some voltage up to 5.0v on the SB/BB with two 3v batteries. Reason is that at 2.50 ohm attys the 3v batteries can not handle the amp load.

 

[Pete54]

A HV 510 at 3.50 ohm should gain some voltage up to 5.0v on the SB/BB with two 3v batteries. Reason is that at 2.50 ohm attys the 3v batteries can not handle the amp load.

Not too sure I understand what you are saying here. I've never lost a standard atty at 6v yet.

 

[DaMulta]

Running under load voltages under cr123.cr2 batteries. However it would be different if say you were running two 18650 batteries because the amp rate is different; then your voltage would drop instead.

 

[JKBonin]

Man am I lost!

When I get home tonight, I have tons of reading to do. I just want to know what batts to use and what constitutes an HV atty. Not an electrical explanation, more which HV atty holds up the best with 3.7 & 6v using the SB. When I order, I wanna make sure I get the best combos for everything. HV or regular atty, 510/801/901 atty, etc...etc.

By all means, talk amongst yourselves about all the electrical-speak you want. I personally, just have to glaze over those, as I know zero about circuitry.

 

[halopunker]

SilverBullet:
Regular - 3.7v - 1x 18650
HV - 6v - 2x RCR123A (Recommend LIFEP04 750mAh)

As far as atomizers go, idc... I use my regular 510 atomizers as opposed to some of the other ones that have higher resistances. At 6v you have to be careful, if you don't keep the atty wet you will burn out atomizers left and right. I had one atomizer go for about 3 months, but sadly a certain liquid I received from someone killed that atomizer and 3 others >.<.

 

[lotus14]

A HV 510 at 3.50 ohm should gain some voltage up to 5.0v on the SB/BB with two 3v batteries. Reason is that at 2.50 ohm attys the 3v batteries can not handle the amp load.

HV 510s at 3.5 ohms? Where? The only ones I can find are 4.5 ohm.

 

[JKBonin]

SilverBullet:
Regular - 3.7v - 1x 18650
HV - 6v - 2x RCR123A (Recommend LIFEP04 750mAh)

As far as atomizers go, idc... I use my regular 510 atomizers as opposed to some of the other ones that have higher resistances. At 6v you have to be careful, if you don't keep the atty wet you will burn out atomizers left and right. I had one atomizer go for about 3 months, but sadly a certain liquid I received from someone killed that atomizer and 3 others >.<.

Hey Rob, thanx for the response.

I can see using my 510 attys, they do seem to be working just fine. My issue is I only drip now. The 510 only holds 3drops max b4 you get that 'gurgle' sound, meaning there's juice in the air ports of the cart. I mention this because I also understand the SB is a juice drinker. Won't I have to drip like every other drag with the 510?

And FYI, personally, I couldn't care less how much more juice I'll use with the SB. It's gonna give me a more analog-like drag and the juice is so much cheaper then $5+/pack it's unreal.

When I do finally order, (C'mooon paycheck!), I want to get the right every-things. Including adapters & atty/cart combos. Is there a better choice if all I do is drip with the SB?

And yeah, the 18650 is the one I hear goes for 2+days!!?? Can't imagine the convenience of that, as I'm stuck with my 2hr batts now.

 

[Spiker]

I might suggest getting the T-Tips (if you don't have one) if you mostly drip, they are pretty cool. I have no experience with any other attys, so I can't help you there. Also, the 18650 is a workhorse! Mine are 2400 mAh, and last me about a day and a half of of pretty constant vaping.

 

[JKBonin]

I might suggest getting the T-Tips (if you don't have one) if you mostly drip, they are pretty cool. I have no experience with any other attys, so I can't help you there. Also, the 18650 is a workhorse! Mine are 2400 mAh, and last me about a day and a half of of pretty constant vaping.

Someone else mentioned these. I'm not sure I get it though. Are they attys made for dripping? Or just a longer mouthpiece? If the T-Tips make it so I can use more drops and therefore drip less frequently, I'm all for it!

Would I need an adapter to use them on the SB? I currently use the Joye 510.