Scared of batteries exploding

[Jens Hagberg]

Hello!
So i have read online that there is people who gotten their faced blown off by vape batteries and this is thanks to the amp limit in the batteries (correct?) Well im scared and i want to know if my setup is good and i should not worry

Mod: Voopoo Drag 157W
RTA: VandyVape Kensei
coils: Clapton coil 0.85ohm (im doing dual so 0.42ohm) (Wattage mode)
Batteries 2x: LG HG2

When i press fire button it says 4,6 volts and i dont really understand what it means. Im vaping at 50W on this build and get good taste and vapor is medium hot. still worried about it. Should be safe right?
Thanks

 

[Letitia]

Welcome Jens. If your batteries are authentic you are well within the safe zone. Take a look at Baditude's blogs about batteries.
Baditude's mod battery blogs

 

[AzPlumber]

Welcome to the forum. You are well within the amp limit of your batteries, vape happy and content.

 

[Storm52]

Welcome. You are safe.

 

[Mr. Relentless]

That's regulated mod. Mech mods are the ones to be careful with. I don't think I could blow up a battery if I tried on a regulated mod. And those batts should be good to 90w. Reg mods won't fire if it cant. Mechs will try no matter what.

 

[sonicbomb]

So i have read online that there is people who gotten their faced blown off by vape batteries and this is thanks to the amp limit in the batteries (correct?) Well im scared and i want to know if my setup is good and i should not worry

There is no such thing as a vape battery. Manufacturers like Sony LG Samsung and Panasonic make batteries for power tools, cars etc. and publicly disclaim their use in applications outside of a battery pack with management circuitry. However this does not stop vapers from using them. It also does not stop companies like Efest and MXJO etc. from re-wrapping batteries from these fore mentioned manufacturers, re-branding them, printing inflated specifications them and marketing them directly at vapers.
Buy genuine cells made by Sony LG Samsung and Panasonic of known CDR from reputable vendors and don't abuse them and you chances of getting hurt are very low.
A 20 amp battery is good for 60 watts, a 25 amp battery is good for 75 watts per battery.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/moochs-recommended-batteries.7593/

Coils: Clapton coil 0.85ohm (im doing dual so 0.42ohm) (Wattage mode)
Batteries 2x: LG HG2

On a regulated device the selected wattage is what dictates the amp draw on the batteries, not the coil resistance.
The LG HG2 is a great 20 amp battery.

When i press fire button it says 4,6 volts and i dont really understand what it means. Im vaping at 50W on this build and get good taste and vapor is medium hot. still worried about it. Should be safe right?

On a regulated mod the regulator chip separates the atomizer from the batteries. The information shown on the screen is on the atomizer side and as such is essentially useless information, ignore it.
The LG HG2 are good for 60 watts each, so you are good to 120 watts as your mod has two.

 

[zoiDman]

Hello!
So i have read online that there is people who gotten their faced blown off by vape batteries and this is thanks to the amp limit in the batteries (correct?) Well im scared and i want to know if my setup is good and i should not worry

Mod: Voopoo Drag 157W
RTA: VandyVape Kensei
Coils: Clapton coil 0.85ohm (im doing dual so 0.42ohm) (Wattage mode)
Batteries 2x: LG HG2

When i press fire button it says 4,6 volts and i dont really understand what it means. Im vaping at 50W on this build and get good taste and vapor is medium hot. still worried about it. Should be safe right?
Thanks

Hi Jens Hagberg. Welcome to the ECF.

You have already received Good Info. So I'll just at this...

When Evaluating a Battery, the "Constant Discharge Rate" (CDR) in Amps is what Important to how we use Batteries in an e-Cigarette.

Some Manufactures/Retailers will list a Battery with a "Pulse" Amp Rating. Which is Higher than the CDR Amp Rating. A Pulse Rating should Never be Considered. Only the CDR value.

For you Regulated Mod and the Wattages you say you are using, 2x authentic LG HG2 Batteries should be Fine.

If you want to Calculate the Amp Draw for a Regulated Mod, here are the Formulas...

(Output Wattage) / (Minimum Battery Voltage) / (Mod Efficiency) = Total Amp Drain.

Per Battery Amp Draw = Total Amp Draw / Number of Batteries.

Such that...

Output Wattage = What Wattage you Set the Mod To
Minimum Battery Voltage = The Lowest Voltage the Battery(s) can get to before the Mod will not Fire
Mod Efficiency = Accounts for Power Loss due to the Board's Efficiency. Usually around 90 ~ 95%

So for Your Set-Up, here is what you have...

50w / 3.2v / .9 = 17.4 Total Amps.

Since your Mod is a Dual Regulated Mod, the Total Amps are spread over 2 Batteries. So the Amp Draw per Battery would be 8.7 Amps per Battery.

 

[zoiDman]

Hi Jens Hagberg. Welcome to the ECF.

You have already received Good Info. So I'll just at this...

When Evaluating a Battery, the "Constant Discharge Rate" (CDR) in Amps is what Important to how we use Batteries in an e-Cigarette.

Some Manufactures/Retailers will list a Battery with a "Pulse" Amp Rating. Which is Higher than the CDR Amp Rating. A Pulse Rating should Never be Considered. Only the CDR value.

For you Regulated Mod and the Wattages you say you are using, 2x authentic LG HG2 Batteries should be Fine.

If you want to Calculate the Amp Draw for a Regulated Mod, here are the Formulas...

(Output Wattage) / (Minimum Battery Voltage) / (Mod Efficiency) = Total Amp Drain.

Per Battery Amp Draw = Total Amp Draw / Number of Batteries.

Such that...

Output Wattage = What Wattage you Set the Mod To
Minimum Battery Voltage = The Lowest Voltage the Battery(s) can get to before the Mod will not Fire
Mod Efficiency = Accounts for Power Loss due to the Board's Efficiency. Usually around 90 ~ 95%

So for Your Set-Up, here is what you have...

50w / 3.2v / .9 = 17.4 Total Amps.

Since your Mod is a Dual Regulated Mod, the Total Amps are spread over 2 Batteries. So the Amp Draw per Battery would be 8.7 per Battery.

ETA: Regulated Mod's have Many Built In Protections which make them about as "Safe" as most household Battery Powered items. So it is very Unlikely you would have a Battery Problem if you use an Authentic Battery with a High CDR Value.

Whereas a Mechanical Mod has No Built In Protections. And it is up to the User to make sure that they are Not Exceeding a Batteries Limits.

 

[BillW50]

There is no such thing as a vape battery. Manufacturers like Sony LG Samsung and Panasonic make batteries for power tools, cars etc. and publicly disclaim their use in applications outside of a battery pack with management circuitry. However this does not stop vapers from using them.

Really? Funny Aspire owns their own battery factory and they manufacture batteries designed for vaping. And their battery wraps are really tough. I don't think you will ever tear one of those wraps by swapping batteries in and out all of the time of your mods. I also like they date stamp their batteries so you know how old they are.

 

[sonicbomb]

It's not Aspire's factory, the own an 'interest' in it. So in effect Aspire (re)wrap their batteries at source directly off the production line.
Though we believe we are many, we are not. No big manufacturer would bother to market directly to us, and would be legally ill-advised to do so.

 

[BillW50]

It's not Aspire's factory, the own an 'interest' in it. So in effect Aspire (re)wrap their batteries at source directly off the production line.
Though we believe we are many, we are not. No big manufacturer would bother to market directly to us, and would be legally ill-advised to do so.

The factory makes other batteries besides Aspire. But all Aspire manufacturing and testing is all done under strict Aspire specifications. Aspire wants to make sure when you use their batteries for vaping, there is no chance their battery will explode on you. What other battery manufacture cares anything to do with vaping? I know of none.

 

[zoiDman]

The factory makes other batteries besides Aspire. But all Aspire manufacturing and testing is all done under strict Aspire specifications. Aspire wants to make sure when you use their batteries for vaping, there is no chance their battery will explode on you. What other battery manufacture cares anything to do with vaping? I know of none.

I haven't followed Aspire Batteries. But I know for awhile they were Marketing Cells that had Less than Stellar Performance.

Aspire 20A 2500mAh ICR 18650 Bench Test Results...only a 15A battery

Hopefully they have Improved.

 

[stols001]

While I like aspire as a company I'm not entirely sure I trust ANYONE but the manufacturer's who actively DON'T want you to use their battery in vaping applications (or at least don't want to be sued for it). That spells "legit" to me more than anything else in some ways... Those companies RESPECT their products and what they can do in the wrong hands. I don't know that Aspire has such a great track record, honestly.

So yes, I'd prefer to buy authentics from a company who knows enough about batteries to NOT want them used in vaping applications.... They actually respect the power of the batteries.

I'm glad you asked and had your question answered, OP. There is tons to learn about battery safety and I'd encourage you to read Baditude's blog as it will give you a deeper understanding of the "hows and whys" of battery safety along with tons more useful information. The more you know about safe battery use, the less likely you are to run into issues, regulated or not. While many battery explosions are from mechs, some aren't. You can use and abuse a battery/regulated mod etc., to the point that you may have an explosion.. There are built in protections which one always hopes will work, but they can sometimes fail, and etc.

Your best defense against *any* explosion is to understand the "whys" of battery safety and apply them to your vaping experience. It's not a 100% guarantee of safety, but its about as good as we've got, and the majority of users using safe batteries for their application in vaping, and safe battery handling, charging, rewrapping if needed and etc., are going to be your best and most valuable line of defense. . Most people using their batteries and gear correctly have no problem.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[BillW50]

I haven't followed Aspire Batteries. But I know for awhile they were Marketing Cells that had Less than Stellar Performance.

Aspire 20A 2500mAh ICR 18650 Bench Test Results...only a 15A battery

Hopefully they have Improved.

Yeah that is true. The big boys like Samsung and others have secret manufacturing process that increases their performance. They have lots of R&D invested to get there. I figure Aspire doesn't have that kind of money to beat them. But what Aspire has is they care about vaping. And one thing they have than the big boys doesn't have are batteries that handle being swapped in and out without any wrap damage. Nor have I found any vaper who had an Aspire battery explode. If their track record is indeed zero, that would be stellar.

I haven't bought any Aspire 18650 batteries (they have two kinds). But I do have six Aspire 26650 4300mah batteries and they are indeed very impressive. I figure each one should be able to deliver 148 watts. But I use them in a 100 watt mods and absolutely no problems whatsoever. I get worried when chain vaping and the battery gets warm, so I pull it out and check the temperature. I know 150F or less there is no danger. But I never got a reading up to 100F yet. It's always been in the 90s with an IR meter.

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah that is true. The big boys like Samsung and others have secret manufacturing process that increases their performance. They have lots of R&D invested to get there. I figure Aspire doesn't have that kind of money to beat them. But what Aspire has is they care about vaping. And one thing they have than the big boys doesn't have are batteries that handle being swapped in and out without any wrap damage. Nor have I found any vaper who had an Aspire battery explode. If their track record is indeed zero, that would be stellar.

I haven't bought any Aspire 18650 batteries (they have two kinds). But I do have six Aspire 26650 4300mah batteries and they are indeed very impressive. I figure each one should be able to deliver 148 watts. But I use them in a 100 watt mods and absolutely no problems whatsoever. I get worried when chain vaping and the battery gets warm, so I pull it out and check the temperature. I know 150F or less there is no danger. But I never got a reading up to 100F yet. It's always been in the 90s with an IR meter.

Like I said, I Haven't really followed Aspire Batteries all that closely.

But I will say this... That if Aspire, or Any Battery OEM/Re-Wrapper wants to Sell a battery, they need to Market the battery Responsively. Because they have No Control into what the Battery goes into.

 

[BillW50]

Like I said, I Haven't really followed Aspire Batteries all that closely.

But I will say this... That if Aspire, or Any Battery OEM/Re-Wrapper wants to Sell a battery, they need to Market the battery Responsively. Because they have No Control into what the Battery goes into.

How? Companies like Samsung will never sell their batteries to vapers or any vape manufacture. The only reason vapers can get their hands on them is from leftover stock that companies like Samsung will sell to.

 

[Beamslider]

Battery makers are putting warnings on wraps to not use for vaping. they will continue to do so as they don't want to take any legal responsibility. Who could blame them?

 

[zoiDman]

How? Companies like Samsung will never sell their batteries to vapers or any vape manufacture. The only reason vapers can get their hands on them is from leftover stock that companies like Samsung will sell to.

How?

How about by Not Using Inflated or Non-Realistic Amp Ratings specs.

 

[zoiDman]

Battery makers are putting warnings on wraps to not use for vaping. they will continue to do so as they don't want to take any legal responsibility. Who could blame them?

Agreed.

But on the Other Hand most have taken a Look the Other Way approach when selling to a Distributor. Because that's where your LG, Samsung, Sony, etc., batteries come from. A Distributor. They aren't just some Leftovers that just happened to end up in a "Vape" shop.

OEM's like the Bigger Revenues from the e-Cigarette Market. But they Don't like, as you mentioned, the Legal Liabilities of their Batteries going into a "Mod". Or worst case scenario, a Mech.

So they get Distributors to Sign Agreements that they Won't Sell Directly to e-Cigarette Suppliers/Retailers. But Distributors just turn around and sell to Smaller Distributors. Under No Such Agreement.

 

[Jens Hagberg]

Hello!
Thanks everyone for the info, feels good to know that i can vape up to 120W without being worried, im pretty sure the batteries are "real". I bought them from a swedish vendor and they are very strict with fake products. Again Thanks. Feel free to keep telling tips on this thread since im new to the "build ur own" vape world!