Scared of batteries exploding

[BillW50]

There aren't "far safer" batteries we can use for our purposes.. we are using the best technology has atm..

Sure there are. Like a mentioned a number of times now, LiFe cells (aka "LFP" stands for "lithium ferrophosphate") are far safer than INR/IMR cells. As LiFe cells are really tough to purposely to get them to overheat and to ignite. Only a few vapors are actually using them. And so far I haven't heard one single mishap from using any of them yet.

 

[BillW50]

Here is my post that has the information from the study broken down..

Is mech/unregulated more enjoyable?

That is good, really good. But I also know the vast majority goes unreported. So that number could be hundreds and thousands of times higher. Heck I believe there is more than 195 vape cells incidences on YouTube alone.

 

[Opinionated]

Sure there are. Like a mentioned a number of times now, LiFe cells (aka "LFP" stands for "lithium ferrophosphate") are far safer than INR/IMR cells. As LiFe cells are really tough to purposely to get them to overheat and to ignite. Only a few vapors are actually using them. And so far I haven't heard one single mishap from using any of them yet.

According to Time, in 2015 one in 10 Americans were vapers. There are a LOT of Americans but let's say that's 10,000,000 vapers. Out of those 10 million people 195 had some type of accident.. (only 38 involved what was described as severe injuries)

That gives you about a .002% chance of some type of accident occurring with your batteries over a 7 year period, and much of that chance is the chance YOU will make a mistake and/or do something stupid.

I'm good with that chance. There is nothing in life with a guarantee attached...

No one can take away unreasonable fears..

 

[Mooch]

No they don't have room since they have different ratings depending on how many amps you plan on using them at. And they do have a QR code on them, plus the date of manufacture in plain English.

What did you say Aspire's 26650 CDR was again? Oh yeah... 30A CDR. I guess you didn't test them, but pulled that rating from somewhere. Yet Aspire Battery Safety Chart for their 26650 lists it as a 20A CDR cell and gives the cell's temperature at 58°C @ 20A CDR. But Aspire claims it is okay to pulse them (10s/on and 5s/off) up to 67°C @ 40A. This rating system seems perfectly acceptable to me. And it checks out during my tests.

Aspire 26650 Battery 4300mAh - $10.00 : Aspire online shopping

You’re reading Aspire’s paper ratings insert incorrectly. It doesn’t give multiple ratings. It’s just the numerical equivalent of a multiple discharge graph. Aspire’s insert rates that 26650 between 20A and 30A, we don’t know where. We only know they say 20A continuous is okay and 30A is too high. If we are being conservative we could say it’s a 20A cell.

You saw my test report so you know where I got my rating.
Please provide your evidence if you are going to accuse me of fabricating my test report.

Aspire rated them conservatively and that’s good. My rating was higher based on my testing and my criteria for setting a rating that allows direct comparison to the other batteries we use.

They have lots of room on the cell for the rating and that will be demonstrated by their two new cells, both of which have a single capacity and current rating on the wrap.

I’m glad you find Aspire’s ratings system useful! It’s important that each of us find a tester or company we can trust. I’m just one resource out of many, not the resource.

 

[Edward Denison]

Batteries are not unsafe. We use batteries all the time, they are in our laptops and more..

Using them safely is another story altogether, but we know how to do so, and we teach how to do so.

I won't use Efest 18650's and I don't recommend Efest because they dont make batteries.

I trust and recommend batteries made by companies who manufacture them, from sellers who are reputable battery distributers..

People here have always recommended Sony, Samsung, LG or Panasonic 18650 batteries unless you own a provari..

If batteries scare you they shouldn't. What is worrysome is a lack of knowledge of how to use them .. we can use them safely. Millions of people use them daily with no harm.

Courts know nothing of batteries, who wins or loses a court battle depends on the skill of the lawyer.

Oh yes safe until the day your cordless drill, weed eater, phone or laptop burns up because a battery pack fails. I've had all 4 of those fail as well as a regulated mod and I did nothing wrong. We also have a Dyson stick vac and guess what's in it's battery pack, Sony batteries.
You've been lucky that's all. Spend some time on a construction site you'll see cheap cordless tools getting flying lessons all the time.

 

[Edward Denison]

I did read it. Like I said vapers go the safe way and use the continuous rating. But they don't vape continuously. If they did, their batteries would only last minutes and that is it. But vapers generally use this rating and pulse at the continuous rating. Is that unsafe? Nope. Can you use cells at the pulse rating (if you could trust the wrapper)? Sure you can with one caveat, don't run them continuously.

Most regulated mods can't even vape continuously. They quit firing usually in 10 seconds. Even if you use the continuous rating, does this mean you are safe? Absolutely not! A regulated mod can fail and short. Your 510 insulator can fail and short. Your battery wrap can tear. There are lots of things you have to watch out for.

I don't even like these INR and IMR cells we use. I personally think they are totally unsafe for vapers. Why did they even start to use them for vaping anyway? LiFe cells are far safer and we should be vaping with something like this battery chemistry. Only a few vapers actually are. What is "spouting nonsense" is using INR/IMR cells to vape to begin with.

Lithium iron phosphate battery - Wikipedia

I'm going to do a google search, but do you have a link to buy LiFe cells?

 

[untar]

You've been lucky that's all.

That's not how I'd put it, that would imply she's a rare exception. To tell what's lucky, normal and unlucky incidents have to be put into perspective. Like eg how many phones burning up are there vs phones that work just fine until replaced? If the latter is the overwhelming norm then those people aren't particularly lucky but the former ones unlucky.

do you have a link to buy LiFe cells?

Apart from stacked mech mod or DNA board (with low voltage adjustment in escribe) you won't have much fun with those in standard mods (they're 3.2V-3.3V nominal Voltage). There's typically not a big choice, they have comparatively lower capacity and aren't widely available.
18650
That makes them not really an alternative.

 

[Opinionated]

Nvm.

 

[Edward Denison]

"I've" not been "lucky" in life. I fell under far greater odds, in a far different category than vaping.. and it didn't make me look at that topic as "dangerous" either even with the greater odds against me.

On the topic of vaping, the odds of having some type of incident with the batteries in your mod is 1 in 10,000, based on reported incidents over the course of several years.

Again, I'll take those odds. There is nothing that is 100% safe, and the more you demand cushions all around you to protect you from all harm, the less free you become.

Well you run with that. I'm living with half a brainstem because of one of those one in a million accidents.

 

[Opinionated]

Nvm.

 

[Mooch]

No they don't have room since they have different ratings depending on how many amps you plan on using them at. And they do have a QR code on them, plus the date of manufacture in plain English.

Note the ratings...35A for their new 18650 and 40A for their new 21700. You feel that those are accurate?





Compare the insert temperatures and their own discharge graph temperatures for the 3000mAh cell.

If you accept unmarked “pulse” ratings on the wrap, so be it. I have issues with this though and have expressed my feelings to Aspire and told them about the temperature discrepancies between their tests and the insert

I don’t mention this to disparage Aspire, just to point out that consulting multiple sources of info and testers can be a good thing versus just believing a company’s ratings.

 

[BillW50]

You’re reading Aspire’s paper ratings insert incorrectly. It doesn’t give multiple ratings. It’s just the numerical equivalent of a multiple discharge graph. Aspire’s insert rates that 26650 between 20A and 30A, we don’t know where. We only know they say 20A continuous is okay and 30A is too high. If we are being conservative we could say it’s a 20A cell.

I call using the same battery at different amps as individual ratings. As depending on how much you draw from the battery the following can be different: capacity, voltage sag, temperature, etc. I like to see different rating for different currents.

You saw my test report so you know where I got my rating.
Please provide your evidence if you are going to accuse me of fabricating my test report.

Yeah but I read it awhile ago and I didn't recall exactly how you got it. No, I didn't believe you fabricated anything.

Aspire rated them conservatively and that’s good. My rating was higher based on my testing and my criteria for setting a rating that allows direct comparison to the other batteries we use.

They have lots of room on the cell for the rating and that will be demonstrated by their two new cells, both of which have a single capacity and current rating on the wrap.

I’m glad you find Aspire’s ratings system useful! It’s important that each of us find a tester or company we can trust. I’m just one resource out of many, not the resource.

I personally also like how Aspire lists the temperature for a given current. More should do this too. I don't want this only on the confidential datasheet that most doesn't have access to. As if my cells are hot enough to fry eggs with, I want to know if this is expected or not. I am sure other vapers would like to know too.

Say if a cell has a 30A CDR, but the temperature gets to 70°C at 30A, I won't use it at 30A. And I would like to see other CDR values with their temperatures too. Pretty much how Aspire is listing them.

 

[BillW50]

Note the ratings...35A for their new 18650 and 40A for their new 21700. You feel that those are accurate?

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Compare the insert temperatures and their own discharge graph temperatures for the 3000mAh cell.

If you accept unmarked “pulse” ratings on the wrap, so be it. I have issues with this though and have expressed my feelings to Aspire and told them about the temperature discrepancies between their tests and the insert

I don’t mention this to disparage Aspire, just to point out that consulting multiple sources of info and testers can be a good thing versus just believing a company’s ratings.

Yeah they really should clearly mark those are pulse current rates. Although Aspire does say a lot that they don't recommend continuous discharging a battery in a mod. And I agree. I don't think mods really have enough ventilation, wire thickness, and circuit ability to keep firing constantly.

 

[BillW50]

Apart from stacked mech mod or DNA board (with low voltage adjustment in escribe) you won't have much fun with those in standard mods (they're 3.2V-3.3V nominal Voltage). There's typically not a big choice, they have comparatively lower capacity and aren't widely available.
18650
That makes them not really an alternative.

I believe they are not widely available because few even know about them. But if most people started to look for them, you would be sure many mods would accept them and the cells would be plentiful. Then more R&D would be poured into them and they would only get better than they are now. Although not bad right now and being so safe and often can handle thousands of recharges is all good to me.

 

[untar]

I believe they are not widely available because few even know about them. But if most people started to look for them, you would be sure many mods would accept them and the cells would be plentiful.

They're not as available because the industry (non vaping) doesn't have many uses for them so there are only few models and the numbers produced are way smaller than LiIon.
If vapers were to use them then there would have to be mods built for those first, if they don't go well with the regulated mods people use there's no reason at all to look for them. Modmakers won't design mods for batteries that aren't readily available everywhere they're selling because nobody would buy that mod.

So availability comes first and that has more to do with industry use than vapers, we're getting leftovers and aren't a big market in comparison, we don't drive production. With the batteries that go into one electric car I could vape a couple dozen lifetimes.

I'm confident that in the next 5-10 years we'll get new batteries that are far safer but right now there is really no practical alternative. Let a few more teslas go up in smoke, they'll figure it out

 

[BillW50]

My ex broke my back.. I don't live my life in fear. I live my life knowing I prefer freedom to a prison made by others.

Women have a 1:4 chance of being severely injured during a domestic dispute in their lifetime. 1:4. Most of us go on with it, even get married again.

We, human beings, live.. not hide from life terrified of our own shadows.

Yeah but that doesn't mean to take unnecessary risks either. As I don't:

• Jump out of perfectly operating airplanes with a parachute
• Try to scale up the side of of a mountain because they are there
• Take a walk in a bad neighbor alone at night
• Tell a judge what I really think of him before sentencing
• Walk in front of a Mack truck believing he can just go around
  
• When I smoked, pump gas while I was smoking

I think you get the idea. So why use INR/IMR cells when there are much safer cells?

 

[Opinionated]

Nvm.

 

[BillW50]

I don't think You get the idea. Getting married again was not a necessary risk, as a matter of fact it was unnecessary as hell... lol. Yet I took it because I'm human and as such assess risk versus reward and decide for myself whether the reward is worth the risk. I decided the reward of male companionship was worth taking a risk.

You take far greater risks every day you get behind the wheel of your car that you will die in an accident, than you risk with the odds a non injury accident will occur with your mod. your odds of being injured are far far less - far less..

Yet, you get behind the wheel of a car without a second thought.

All the while getting a faux outrage going at the "risk" of vaping..

Well hell, if your so scared of vaping then dont. Period. Risk versus reward. For me, the reward was phenomenal, and the risk not even worth mentioning for the reward of not being an addicted to cancer sticks.

For you? If it scares you don't do it!

No that isn't it. I have 10 mods that can accept IFR LiFePo4 cells, so it is a no brainier for me. As I don't have to use INR/IMR cells. And I was married once and that was enough for me. She couldn't have children so I never had any. But that would have been nice if I did.

 

[zoiDman]

No that isn't it. I have 10 mods that can accept IFR LiFePo4 cells, so it is a no brainier for me. As I don't have to use INR/IMR cells. And I was married once and that was enough for me. She couldn't have children so I never had any. But that would have been nice if I did.

What is the Nominal Voltage for a 18650 IFR LiFePo4 Cell? I thought they were like 3.2v or something?

And are they Susceptible to the Dreaded "Memory Effect" ?

 

[BillW50]

What is the Nominal Voltage for a 18650 IFR LiFePo4 Cell?

I thought they were like 3.2v or something?

Yes they are. But DNA200 mods under EScribe you can select different battery types and that is one of them listed.