Scared to stop smoking, scared to start vaping

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AndriaD

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To be honest with you the last time I got an e-cig it was the volt from smokeless image and I couldn't stand the fruit flavors. I actually cut down quite a bit in the few days I had it around, before I got scared about the effects and went back to smoking.

The tobacco flavors in my opinion, were actually pretty good and helped the cravings. I also like how the volt looks and feels like a cig. I know some people have their own views on this, but i'm just saying from personal experience this is the brand I liked the most.

I don't understand the need to get away from tobacco flavored liquids ASAP. If that's the flavor you like, than that's the flavor you like. Simple. Not everyone wants to taste candy, coffee, desserts, etc all day. Personally, my all day Vape is a mild tobacco, then a vanilla/hazelnut/caramel in the evening before bed.
Just saying.

There is no "need" to do it any certain way; whatever works for an individual, that's what they should use. I had to find something that at least reminded me of the Slims I smoked, or it wouldn't have worked for me -- I was replacing Virginia Slims, not candy or cakes. After I'd been vaping for a while, I started trying out fruit and bakery flavors, and there were a couple I really liked; once I'd been vaping Blueberry Muffin for a while, Virginia tasted like crap and I put it away. I tasted it again recently, and yup, still tastes like crap. :D I'll stick with stuff that tastes loads better than tobacco, but when I first started, the idea of "smoking" something sweet really weirded me out. I had to stick with Virginia until I found something I liked better.

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Loved the Allen Carr book, read it for the heck of it while I was smoking and half way through the book I stopped. I managed a few months without smoking but then relapsed and the book didn't have the same effect the second time around :(

Vaping has been the only thing that has kept me away from smoking and the most painless. I told myself every time I had a craving for a smoke that I'd puff on my ecig for 10 min and if I still wanted the smoke after, I would.

It never happened!

Good luck!
 

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I'm No scientist or doctor. I quit smoking by vaping about 6 mos ago. What ultimately got me motivated to quit smoking was cough so severe I cracked a couple ribs from hacking so hard. It hurt for weeks afterward. I haven't had a cold since I started vaping. My sinuses are mostly clear for the first time in almost a decade. I started smoking at age 13 and am now 42. I know I've done irreparable damage to mu lungs from smoking....because I can FEEL the lost lung capacity. I don't need a PHD to figure that out, or to figure out how much better I feel vaping.

I believe that quitting entirely and not vaping would be ideal...but that may come with time. You have to decide for yourself. A lot of reading has already been suggested. I don't believe I could have quit smoking if I hadn't started vaping. I was addicted to smoking..... Not just the nicotine. I actually had to withdrawal from all the other chemicals in cigarettes even though I was still getting the nicotine from vaping.

I am forever grateful to my buddy who turned me on to vaping. One of the reasons I am on this forum is to pass on my experience to others. Most of us had the same reservations that you currently have. Ultimately I decided I had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 

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Bored2Tears: I've had similar health issues. I now have COPD after smoking for over 25 years at 1-2 packs a day. Also cracked a rib during a coughing fit when I had bronchitis. That was hell since I couldn't stop coughing while the meds took care of the bronchitis. I remember those days like it was yesterday, so much pain!

In my experience (mostly with vaping) I've noticed that it's not the nicotine per say that I can't quit but the hand to mouth and inhaling habit. When you've spent most of your life doing it, it's really hard to break that habit. Especially since it was tied to so many events: when awaking, after meals, when stressed, etc.. Patches, gum, meds and other methods did nothing to help me quit in that regard.

Vaping has been a godsend to me for to stop smoking and my docs are happy with the switch. Nothing would be better but we all agree that vaping is leaps and bounds better than smoking cigs.

I've noticed a difference in my lung health but there is also permanent damage done. I have lost at least 20% lung capacity due to smoking. Very likely more than that and you can't get that back...
 

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I've been vaping exclusively for a little over a month after 33 years of 1-1.5 packs a day. When I finally got smart and went to a vape shop, instead of messing around with fake cigarettes and cheapo kits, they recommended 18mg nicotine to roughly equal my smoking intake. I found that was a bit too strong for me, though, and have settled on 12mg. I'm still pretty much always vaping tobacco flavor, though, because I keep trying different fruit and drink flavors, and finding them awful - taste is very personal, after all. However, sloooowly, my sense of taste is changing, which is a direct result of not being constantly assaulted with combustion byproducts, and I've found a couple different flavors that I'm starting to like more. The thing is, even when I was vaping exclusively tobacco flavor, there was no danger of going back to smoking - I tried a drag from one of my wife's cigs after a week or so, and almost threw up. So I don't think that there's any real rush to switch to a different flavor.
 
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i been vaping for almost 2 months and I totally stop analog. I been smoking for 20 years and more, 1 pack a day and 3 years ago I stop, I did stop for 1 year plus but the urge come back stronger than before, I smoke again but i'm controlling the amount of stick to 6 a day, but I can feel my lung really feel bad. So needed a solution to stop it.

At first I really don;t like the idea of e-cig, to me it's very trouble cos I have to wast the tank change coil, this stoping me from vaping for a year while i continue with analog. Till 2 months ago, i really put my mind in to it, i must change. so there go i start vaping with ego stick with kanger pro mini with 12mg ejuice for a few weeks than upgrade to a istick and aspire nutilus mini and stick with 12mg, i'm happy since ever and did't pick up a stick till today. In fact i'm enjoying to fun of cleaning up and switching juice flavor. Is the fun and joy of vaping that u have to hock up and forget about burning actual tobacco.

I'm now thinking of upgrading to rebuildable system, that will give better vape production and greater flavor.

Hope U can make the first step and get in to better health. Give ur lung a better living.
 

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i been vaping for almost 2 months and I totally stop analog. I been smoking for 20 years and more, 1 pack a day and 3 years ago I stop, I did stop for 1 year plus but the urge come back stronger than before, I smoke again but i'm controlling the amount of stick to 6 a day, but I can feel my lung really feel bad. So needed a solution to stop it.

At first I really don;t like the idea of e-cig, to me it's very trouble cos I have to wast the tank change coil, this stoping me from vaping for a year while i continue with analog. Till 2 months ago, i really put my mind in to it, i must change. so there go i start vaping with ego stick with kanger pro mini with 12mg ejuice for a few weeks than upgrade to a istick and aspire nutilus mini and stick with 12mg, i'm happy since ever and did't pick up a stick till today. In fact i'm enjoying to fun of cleaning up and switching juice flavor. Is the fun and joy of vaping that u have to hock up and forget about burning actual tobacco.

I'm now thinking of upgrading to rebuildable system, that will give better vape production and greater flavor.

Hope U can make the first step and get in to better health. Give ur lung a better living.
Congratulations and great to hear this. I also was using kanger tanks for about 4 months until I switched to rda's. If you are feeling the hobbyist vibe, I would encourage you to pull the trigger on rebuilding. There are Kuro Koilers these days, incredible regulated batteries, and T-post rda's that have made getting a safer, excellent vape easier than ever. Like many others, rebuilding is a rubicon worth crossing - I havent used a tank in around 8 months.
 

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Loved the Allen Carr book, read it for the heck of it while I was smoking and half way through the book I stopped. I managed a few months without smoking but then relapsed and the book didn't have the same effect the second time around :(

"The second time is harder" even with e-cigs -- when I quit the first time, it was more of an experiment to SEE if they would work for me. They did! Then, 3 1/2 months smoke-free, after my appendectomy and not vaping or anything else for 4 days, cravings were assaulting me, but vapor tasted as horrible as everything else, so I smoked -- no problem, I figured; I quit once with e-cigs, I can do it again. Well, I did, but it was a lot more effort than the first time around; if I hadn't been fully committed to getting back to smoke-free -- and getting some WTA! -- I don't know if I could have managed it. I certainly won't try that particular experiment again! :D

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Greetings friends,

First of all i'm editing this to say, yes I realize the title is wrong lol. Meant to say "vaping". I write quickly and rarely proofread.

I am 27 years old and have been smoking half a pack to a pack a day for 12 years. I quit once when I was 22 and that lasted for a year. I used Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking book. Worked well for me.

However ever since I started back up, I have had a devil of a time quitting. The withdrawals are hard to deal with, I get terrible anxiety, and I have a history of panic attacks.

I need to stop smoking. I recently had the flu and still smoked and now I have a horrible cough that won't go away. I worry about my health. I know i'm killing myself. I can't imagine getting cancer or anything like that.

I have tried e-digs before (smokeless image volt), and it wasn't bad. However with all the recent news reports coming out about the dangers of e-cigs and how we are basically guinea pigs, I don't know if its the right route to take. I am not an expert on e-cigs but I have read quite a lot about them on forums, journal articles, etc. They SEEM to be much safer, but I would hate to get the wrong brand or something and be unknowingly inhaling high levels of metals or something that would surely give me cancer. Smoking is horrible I know, but at least we know all about it and most cigarettes are highly similar to one another.

Please guide me in the right direction. I just had to take care of my late grandmother who died from emphysema. I had to hold her hand for the last 3 months of her life will she gasped for air! I want to live for my future grandchildren!

I changed the title for you :)

First off, welcome to the forum :D

You will read all kinds of things, either for or against e-cigs. Ultimately, it comes down to your decision. Keep in mind, there are many factions that do not want e-cigs to succeed. Those factions have a LOT of money at stake. They include:

1. Government (Local and Federal)
2. Health Organizations
3. Pharmaceutical Agencies
4. Big Tobacco Companies

1 - because of the tax revenue and the tobacco settlements
2 - because if there are no cigarette related diseases, their funding dries up
3a - because if there are no smokers getting sick, they no longer have people that need drugs to treat those illnesses
3b - because we aren't continually buying the drugs (chantix), patches or gum that have a very low success rate and therefor we continue to purchase hoping that they will magically work this time
4 - because we are no longer lining their pockets by purchasing their product

On our side:

Hmm just us consumers that have found a product that works where nothing has before. E-cigs address the hand to mouth habit that we have developed over years. Many people have found that they have been able to lower their nicotine intake over time. Others are quite content to stay where they have started.

Is anything 100% ok? Nope, can't say that it is. Can we say that vaping is safer than smoking? Yes, we can.

Nicotine on its own, divorced from cigarette smoke, is not the bad guy that we have had drilled into our brain for years. Nicotine is now being studied for its healthful properties and is in contention to be a great product to help those with cognitive problems. Alzheimer's, schizophrenia and ADD/ADHD are all being studied with nicotine as a helper in these areas.

Read everything you can, follow the source of whom is writing the piece and where their funding is coming from.

I'm sure your brain just got fried a little bit.

Welcome to the forum :D

PS: Check out CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
 

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kkahmann

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Emeraldgreen--if you are concerned about the health effects of e-cigs--research it--I did--before I ever got involved with vaping.
Google is your friend and there is tons of info on here--read the ecf library.
I came to the conclusion--rather quickly--that e-cigs are relatively much safer than continuing to smoke.
Like you I was smoking about a pack and half a day at 27--I'm 66 now and this has been the only method I have found that actually works for me--and like many others on here I tried everything--patches, gums, chantrix and Allen Carrs book.
I was a dual user for 3 months and have been analog free for just a little over a month now and I can honestly say that even IF vaping was unhealthy (and its Not) I would still prefer it over smoking.
I'm in pretty good health for an old guy but I'm positive I'd be in better shape if vaping had been available to me when I was 27. Government deficet would be higher also.
Good Luck
 

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Well, I am currently majoring in biochemistry/chemistry.

There are no "Heavy metals" in this stuff. The issue with heavy metals is the "amount" you consume. There is arsenic in vegetables... If you would like to scientific reference to this, I will provide it.

The stuff used in e-cigs are safe. PG/VG are used in food. They are safe. The questionable part is the flavorings. How are people making these flavorings? what are they using? That's MY biggest concern.

Some are concerned about the vapor going in to their lungs. I was talking to one of my professors about this, he was concerned about lung inhalation as well. I realized, I and I think MOST don't inhale it in to their lungs. Those are called "lung hits". If you take the biggest hit you can, you will notice your larynx is closed which prevents inhalation in to the lungs. So i am not concerned about that either.

I have been vaping for about 5yrs with no ill consequences.
 

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Hello I was alot like yourself I smoked for 35 years and it was just (normal) for me to lite up It seemed like I could not function unless I had an extra pack with me at all times but after being hospitalized with pneumonia I was diagnosed with COPD. After that I was determined to quit after several tries and fails, my Daughter gave me an ego I tried it and it was good so I started sampling juices and soon it seemed like I had found a replacement for smoking then gradually I realized I had not lost anything with stopping smoking but I had gained a whole new world of juices and tanks and mods learning battery safety mechs,reg. mods,unreg mods. I had found something better than smoking and that is what vaping is something better not just an alternative to cigarettes.Good Luck and hang in there this will work just give it a chance
 

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First, I'd like to say "congratulations!!!" on being willing to try to quit again. :)

(Second- this post got way, way longer than I intended. Way longer, lol. So I'm going to mark where my personal experience begins/ends so you can skip that part if you're not interested. It starts now, lol.)

I'm similar to you in terms of age, and I also quit once for a whole year before making a bad choice and becoming addicted again. Every day I was beating myself up in my mind for making that stupid mistake and buying that pack of cigarettes after a year of being smoke-free.

I had never tried ecigs before though, so I was figuring out how to vape while I was still smoking cigarettes.

I saw a commercial on TV for the cigarette look-alikes, and drove straight to a gas station and bought one to try it out. I figured they couldn't be any worse for my health than smoking, so I had nothing to lose. I'd heard horrible things about ecigs, but I was back to coughing like crazy every morning from the regular cigs, and I really wanted to find a way to quit smoking again. I wasn't getting the exact same feeling from it as I did from smoking (I wasn't getting the nicotine "rush" feeling that I was used to), so I decided maybe I could just try to use one of those devices in between cigarettes and in places I didn't want tainted by the smell of cigarettes (my house and car, mainly).

I did a Google search for ecigarettes and found that there was a vape shop nearby. I thought maybe they would have higher nicotine products and a bigger selection of the look-alikes, so I went the next day. Needless to say, I was overwhelmed when I walked in at all the different options, and I was shocked that they didn't look anything like cigarettes. After talking with the owner for awhile about the different options, he suggested buying a starter kit to begin with so I could see if I liked it. I tried a starter kit tank inside the store, and I thought it was way better than the stick I had bought at the gas station. The walls in the store filled with different juices were completely overwhelming. I started out testing the tobacco flavors, but I couldn't find an exact taste-match to the menthol cigarettes I had been smoking. I thought the taste would be a huge part of it for quitting cigarettes, so I almost decided to just throw the idea away entirely and not buy anything. The owner suggested trying some menthol-only flavors (no tobacco taste), but, again, I couldn't find a close match to my old cigs. As I kept trying all the minty flavors though (gosh, there were more than 10, lol), I realized that some of them tasted really, really good. I never got used to the bad taste of cigarettes when I started back up again, so I decided to get a plain mint flavor that I thought was tasty, even though it didn't resemble my menthol cigarettes. I really didn't think it was going to work, but for $50 bucks it was worth a try. I bought the highest nicotine level they sold, even though I was only smoking a half a pack a day, because I didn't want to go through any nicotine withdrawal (I knew it wouldn't work for me if I did).

Anyway, I'm rambling now. They set up the tank for me inside the store and it worked properly and I took it home. I tried reaching for it when I wanted to smoke a regular cig, but I still wasn't getting the same feeling from it I was used to, so I kept smoking cigs at the same time. After refilling the tank for the first time, I couldn't get it to stop leaking eliquid. After a couple hits on it, I was getting eliquid straight into my mouth (ewww!) and I was convinced this vaping thing was a load of crap.

I did a Google search for the tank that I bought, to see if there was any way to stop the leaking. This forum was the first thing to pop up and information overload began, lol. I went back to the vape shop the next day and bought a better, more expensive tank. Now that I'd invested even more money I was really set in my mind that I had to try to make this work. The new tank didn't leak, even when I refilled it at home, and that was a huge relief.

I kept smoking and vaping, about half and half. After about a week the taste of cigarettes was so much worse that I was brushing my teeth immediately after each one. There were times that vaping wasn't satisfying enough to stop my craving though, so I did some more searching on here to figure out how I could get vaping to be enough for me to finally quit smoking altogether. In the mornings, I would try vaping a few hits and not get the instant satisfaction that I did from cigarettes, and I would go and have a regular cig. I couldn't figure out why vaping didn't give me the same head-rush/satisfaction that I got from cigarettes, when I knew what I bought had even more nicotine than I was used to.

(Note: Personal history/story ends here. Sorry for the wall of text!)


The key thing for me was finding an explanation on here about how vaping works for delivering nicotine vs. regular smoking. It doesn't work as quickly as smoking, instead of immediate delivery it said it took something like 30 seconds to feel the full effect of a hit. Also it said that vapers usually had to vape for longer than they used to smoke a cigarette, because the nicotine being delivered isn't absorbed the exact same way. I think it mentioned something like 10+ minutes of taking hits, and I was used to only taking 5 minutes to smoke a regular cig. The last key for me was reading a post describing how to take puffs on an ecig. Long, slow, gentle drags, instead of the quick hard ones I had been used to. And also inhaling the vapor first into the mouth, and then at the end inhaling from the mouth into the lungs, because nicotine absorbs very well inside your mouth (hence chewing tobacco!), so that allows you to get even more nicotine in a hit.

Those were game-changing for me. As I was practicing each new piece of information I was reading, I finally got the nicotine "rush" feeling that I craved. And instead of taking a hit and expecting instant nicotine feelings, I waited 30 seconds and then realized that yes, the feeling was there, I just hadn't been waiting for it because I thought it was the same delivery as regular smoking.

Right then I decided I would start vaping only for a couple days (or as long as I could last), and see if I could get used to the difference now that it was much less.

I kept trying cigarettes off and on while I vaped, mainly so the packs of cigs I had wouldn't have to all be thrown out, lol. The taste and smell became unbearable after a week though, so I gave up on cigarettes and got over the money I had wasted on packs I'd never finish.

If I had quit trying to vape after that first tank I tried, I would still be smoking right now. It's so important to find something that works properly, and to research the differences with how to vape vs. how you smoke a cigarette. That's the only way you can be successful, IMO. Also, you need to have 2 batteries before you decide to try to quit the regular cigs, because you'll need to have one that you can use while the other one charges. (They do make batteries that you can use while they charge- but they're more expensive, and I think it's more important to invest in a good tank than a good battery when you're starting out, if you can't afford both.)

Vaping is not identical to smoking, even if they look the same. But if you get the info on the differences first, and then make a serious attempt at trying to make vaping work for you, there's no reason why you can't switch. You won't go through any withdrawl, if you can wait a few more seconds after taking a hit you will feel the exact same feeling as you did while smoking, and it's sooo much safer.

The bad press about vaping is being put out there by the cigarette companies (they're the ones who have a financial interest in keeping people addicted to cigarettes, and they're the ones funding faulty research studies to try to make vaping sound dangerous.) They take ecigs and run them on machines in ways that a human would never be able to do on their own, and then take what happens when they're misused in that way and say, "Hey! Look over here! Vaping is bad for your health, too! Don't bother quitting smoking!" The worst part is that even when they go through all that to try to prove the lies, the test results still can't confirm that vaping is more dangerous than smoking, because even with those crazy, never-could-happen to you conditions, smoking has already been proven to kill you: and they'll never be able to prove that their crazy tests are harmful to anyone in real world usage, because it's impossible for a human to actual vape in the ways they come up with. You really have to look at how some of these attention-getting headline studies were performed instead of taking the title at face value. I can't believe the underhanded things they're resorting to, but the cigarette industry makes their money off of steering people toward smoking, and even the government has a financial interest in it because of the insane taxes they collect off of the people who are addicted. I'd highly recommend doing research on your own before deciding whether you feel vaping is a safer alternative for you than smoking. If any information you find has you worried or confused, come back to this forum and do a search on it or create a post and ask questions. The people here are helpful, and can be objective, even if they enjoy vaping. They don't have a financial interest in keeping you smoking cigarettes or talking you into vaping, so you get a much more honest discussion here. :) There are still concerns that pop up with newly released products about what some companies are using to make them, but the vaping community has done a damn good job about holding the ecig creators accountable by taking their money elsewhere until answers are given and changes are made, if need be. I'm surprised all the time how often I see requests from vapers being implemented by the ecig companies. Not the ones who are created by the cigarette manufacturers and sold in gas stations, but the companies who focus solely on vaping and making safe vaping products.

Sorry this was so long, I went into way too much detail and I don't have the time right now to go back and make it shorter/easier to read. If you have any specific questions, please feel free to toss them out and I know you'll get answers here.

Whether you decide to vape or decide to just quit nicotine altogether, I wish you the best of luck! After a few weeks of coughing up all the tar/junk, I feel just as great now as I did the first time I quit smoking. :) And this time I'm not looking back, lol. (And with vaping, I don't ever miss smoking like I used to when I quit completely the last time. But that's just me!)

Take care. :D
 

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tell us what you are vaping with, tank and battery..again i cant stress enough to get away from tobacco flavors ASAP.

Do remind us what device you will use.. It does make a difference as to what juice to get and how much nicotine to use.

I happen to like and prefer tobacco flavors.. I've hated all food and drink flavors I have tried so far. And most Synthetic tobaccos. Now I did stop trying to get a cigarette typed flavor. See I found this thing call natural Extracted Tobacco E-juice. I always loved the smell of the tobacco shop, you know the one that sold Cigars and Pipes and loose leaf tobacco, But not so much the packs of smokes. Now I get to vape that.... There are Extracted Cigarette juices, and they are good also.... There are even extracted tobacco juices, with those other food and drinky flavors added. Some of those are even good.

DO NOT LIMIT YOURSELF, to one type of juice or one type of flavor, try some of everything till YOU decide what you like.
 

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I was smoking for 20 years about 2 packages per day..my friend started using e cig for 2 months and one day I decided to try.I liked it and order the same one which he uses..about 10 days ago I got my e cig.I smoked my last 3 cigarettes and say good bye.I quit smoking in 15 minutes it s just simple like that..I started with 4 batteries and carry 2 with me.With time I hope to reduce the nicotine dossage and vape just after meals and with alcholic drinks.Hope you the best and of course good luck.
 

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I am 27 years old and have been smoking half a pack to a pack a day for 12 years. I quit once when I was 22 and that lasted for a year. I used Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking book. Worked well for me.

However ever since I started back up, I have had a devil of a time quitting. The withdrawals are hard to deal with, I get terrible anxiety, and I have a history of panic attacks.

I need to stop smoking. I recently had the flu and still smoked and now I have a horrible cough that won't go away. I worry about my health. I know i'm killing myself. I can't imagine getting cancer or anything like that.

What post #4 of this thread said. I would echo that. "Trying" to quit smoking induces anxiety cause you (general you) are denying yourself something that you inherently desire currently. When I've gone cold turkey in the past, to get over the hurdle that was my mind saying, "but I really want to smoke," I had an epiphany which lead to giving myself full permission to smoke. That made my anxiety around quitting virtually disappear. And this was well before vaping. With vaping in the picture, if you are like the overwhelming majority of us, you'll perhaps enjoy smoking (in your own way) for a short while and get to a point where the choice between smoking and vaping is obvious to you on a moment by moment or daily basis.

I'm currently a dual user. I highly enjoy smoking in moderation. I'm entering my 4th year of vaping. Since around month 3 of my first year, I've enjoyed vaping over smoking at a split of 90% favor on vaping and 10% on smoking. All the health study info, on smoking, I now find very debatable. As if all the info on smoking (literally all of it) is based on heavy / abusive use. At this point, I could (easily) present a wall of text to elaborate on this position and defend what I'm saying here. I've done it before many times on this forum, but feel it isn't necessary for reality of what I'm saying here is give yourself full permission to do both vaping and smoking and trust that you will get to a point, fairly soon, that leads to a) vaping is so much more appealing and b) the anxiety around addiction to smoking will, very likely, disappear. I find vaping breaks that addiction, puts you in the driver seat, and has you realize that you can cut back on nicotine content or eliminate it, as may be desired. With only smoking (and smoker's guilt), the choice always seems all or nothing once you've experienced full on addiction to smoking. Either you quit and be done with it, hopefully never looking back, or you continue using in the heavy/abusive way you are used to and at times see if you can taper off a bit. Fail in that? Oh well. At least you can always try again, some day. Which may never come. But oh well.

I've noticed some vapers get to the point of "know I can stop smoking" within first week. And some of those were smokers who smoked 3 packs a day for 40+ years. Kinda makes my 1 pack a day for less than half that time seem like perhaps I was never 'really' addicted. In reality, I know I was, and so other notion is that vaping is that powerful with how it can change your mindset around smoking. I don't smoke in moderation currently because I'm still addicted. Far from that. I do it cause I enjoy smoking (at times) and cause I'd rather not lose touch with smoking/smokers in the very heated and undeniably misguided political battle currently being waged. For me, it honestly took a year of really getting immersed into vaping till I knew vaping could have me stop smoking at any point of my choosing, without any anxiety around quitting. I had hints of this in the first week, month and essentially early on. Given history of going cold turkey, I know on hindsight I could've stopped smoking in the first month of vaping. Hard to say how that would've played out. But easy to say that smoking in moderation does rock. Regardless of what anti-smoke types wish to claim, and this includes ex-smokers who think they know about dangers of smoking. I've routinely found that do not know of what they speak.

Vape on.
Smoke on.
And put yourself back in the driver seat for when stopping either recreational habit, or desire, makes most sense for you.
In your own way.
 

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What post #4 of this thread said. I would echo that. "Trying" to quit smoking induces anxiety cause you (general you) are denying yourself something that you inherently desire currently. When I've gone cold turkey in the past, to get over the hurdle that was my mind saying, "but I really want to smoke," I had an epiphany which lead to giving myself full permission to smoke. That made my anxiety around quitting virtually disappear. And this was well before vaping. With vaping in the picture, if you are like the overwhelming majority of us, you'll perhaps enjoy smoking (in your own way) for a short while and get to a point where the choice between smoking and vaping is obvious to you on a moment by moment or daily basis.

I'm currently a dual user. I highly enjoy smoking in moderation. I'm entering my 4th year of vaping. Since around month 3 of my first year, I've enjoyed vaping over smoking at a split of 90% favor on vaping and 10% on smoking. All the health study info, on smoking, I now find very debatable. As if all the info on smoking (literally all of it) is based on heavy / abusive use. At this point, I could (easily) present a wall of text to elaborate on this position and defend what I'm saying here. I've done it before many times on this forum, but feel it isn't necessary for reality of what I'm saying here is give yourself full permission to do both vaping and smoking and trust that you will get to a point, fairly soon, that leads to a) vaping is so much more appealing and b) the anxiety around addiction to smoking will, very likely, disappear. I find vaping breaks that addiction, puts you in the driver seat, and has you realize that you can cut back on nicotine content or eliminate it, as may be desired. With only smoking (and smoker's guilt), the choice always seems all or nothing once you've experienced full on addiction to smoking. Either you quit and be done with it, hopefully never looking back, or you continue using in the heavy/abusive way you are used to and at times see if you can taper off a bit. Fail in that? Oh well. At least you can always try again, some day. Which may never come. But oh well.

I've noticed some vapers get to the point of "know I can stop smoking" within first week. And some of those were smokers who smoked 3 packs a day for 40+ years. Kinda makes my 1 pack a day for less than half that time seem like perhaps I was never 'really' addicted. In reality, I know I was, and so other notion is that vaping is that powerful with how it can change your mindset around smoking. I don't smoke in moderation currently because I'm still addicted. Far from that. I do it cause I enjoy smoking (at times) and cause I'd rather not lose touch with smoking/smokers in the very heated and undeniably misguided political battle currently being waged. For me, it honestly took a year of really getting immersed into vaping till I knew vaping could have me stop smoking at any point of my choosing, without any anxiety around quitting. I had hints of this in the first week, month and essentially early on. Given history of going cold turkey, I know on hindsight I could've stopped smoking in the first month of vaping. Hard to say how that would've played out. But easy to say that smoking in moderation does rock. Regardless of what anti-smoke types wish to claim, and this includes ex-smokers who think they know about dangers of smoking. I've routinely found that do not know of what they speak.

Vape on.
Smoke on.
And put yourself back in the driver seat for when stopping either recreational habit, or desire, makes most sense for you.
In your own way.
This is interesting opinion and affirm your choices in dual using for so long. 4 years ago, the technology in vaping was extremely different. Hell even about a year ago when I switched to vapor the biggest baddest most mysteriously awesome devices I knew about were dna20s. My neighbor just started vaping, and within 3 weeks got a sigelei 150W and aspire atlantis. I thought this was crazy how fast he moved up.

I guess I just have become less forgiving about dual using, even though I agree that the health risks of smoking are related to chronic abuse.

Emerald, one thing I wanted to mention about this is that when I talk to smokers interested in vaping, one idea I promote is the idea thag you can forget about cigs all together if you want. I havent had a cigarette (nor thought of having one) since January 10th 2014. The ONLY reason is not just vaping, but because I am using mods and atomizers that provide me with a more than satisfying vape.

I dual used for 3 days, others go a lot longer. I don't have any reasonable arguments against the health risks of dual using with light smoking (because do what you want heh).

I do believe however that if the mere thought, stench or taste of a cigarette isn't completely repulsive to you (its not clockwork orange) then you haven't let yourself fall down the vaping rabbit hole far enough...

I am only saying that because I have spent loads of time resesrching (more than I can afford) and after it all would never be interested in smoking again frankly. How can I say that with certainty? Because after all, I don't know my future self - if vaping gives me everything I wsnt from smoking and more, with a drastic reductiom in harm, what would smoking do for me in the future if I quit vaping? A few friends have smoked, switched to vapor, then quit vaping and agree that quitting vaping was easier than switching. The point is that they also agreed that if they ever want nic again they won't go for the stinkies - but rather pull out the ol vape gear.

But the vaping industry is evolving so fast that if you quit vaping even for a few months right now you would come back to a different world.

There is a lot to learn, but for me, this has been the cost of being smoke-free.
 
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