Scared to stop smoking, scared to start vaping

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El Machete

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Hi, I'm a newbie that's really glad to have found this site. I pretty much freaked out when I learned 2 days ago that Ohio is getting ready to triple the cost of ecigs through state govt. taxation. The legislation won't be defeated, it never has been concerning "sin taxes" (lol) anyway. In the Columbus -see: 'Cow Town' Dispatch newspaper they used the formaldehyde scare tactic which I had never heard of before researching it and finding this forum which quelled my fears. Member "rurwin" did an excellent job in explaining the formaldehyde scare, he really did his research and totally dispelled my fears. I just hope that the online place I buy from won't add the taxes, but they probably will. I will have been vaping for 3 years come May 12. I am 63 and have smoke from age 15. Seriously smoked from age 18. For maybe 10+ years 3 packs a day of non filtered. Past (before vaping) 10+ years of 2 pk per day filters. My lungs have cleared up greatly. I refer to ecigs as "life savers".

I despise our present govt. here in ohio. Here's a link to the newspaper article: Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. Any way the reason that I am posting on this page is due to "Robino1's" post. She summed the whole thing up very well. Too bad that she's too smart and too honest to be a governor. BTW, here's a link to an article I bookmarked several years ago which -with a different approach from Robino1's- sums it up as well. Thanks Robino1.

I hit 'submit and was informed that I am not allowed to post links. Thank this forum for saving my text. Anyway, if you want to see the Columbus Dispatch newspaper article just google it. "Kasich wants nearly to triple cost of puffing on an e-cig" For the other article -which I really like- concerning the inanity of discouraging vaping, google; "E-cigarettes: no smoke without ire" -by Lionel Shriver.
 
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I smoked on and off for 14 years and always relapsed. I started vaping the beginning of this year due to a horrible cough, waking up and feeling like I was going to die. Anyways I had set a quit date, and during the time up to my quit date I did a lot of research on vaping. Long story short the weekend before my quit date I went to my local B&M Vape shop and they set me up. I started vaping on my quit day of the stinkys and have not picked up a cigarette since. Here I am almost 3 months later and I feel so much better, smell better, saved a lot of money ( well that part is a lie as I've now turned this into a hobby). Just remember there are a lot of helpful members on here and this is by far some of the nicest people people I've seen on forums, and we are here to help you
 

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However with all the recent news reports coming out about the dangers of e-cigs and how we are basically guinea pigs, I don't know if its the right route to take. I am not an expert on e-cigs but I have read quite a lot about them on forums, journal articles, etc. They SEEM to be much safer, but I would hate to get the wrong brand or something and be unknowingly inhaling high levels of metals or something that would surely give me cancer. Smoking is horrible I know, but at least we know all about it and most cigarettes are highly similar to one another.

Please guide me in the right direction. I just had to take care of my late grandmother who died from emphysema. I had to hold her hand for the last 3 months of her life will she gasped for air! I want to live for my future grandchildren!

Hi emeraldgreen,

Welcome to ECF. I'm a 60 year old male, and I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 42 years. I'm a PhD neuroscientist and I took up vaping in Dec 2014 because I wanted to improve the cognitive capacity of my ageing brain. Read the first 150, or so, posts in this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/633573-vaping-nicotine-advantages.html ... I think it will help you out.
 
I had similar fears. I was vaping EGO pens about a year ago for a month but they were so frustrating that I went back to cigarettes. I am 30 years old smoked for 15 years so it was second nature to go back to them in spite of the pain they have caused. Now that I have a real setup and am extremely satisfied I have been off of the cigarettes for over two weeks and, honestly, I don't even think about them. Without frustration and dissatisfaction I only want to vape. I had some mild chest pains at first but that was most likely related to healing. Healing hurts. Also I found that once I doubled my hydration due to the dehydrating nature of vaping, I don't get the pains. Feel great already. Do your research, get a setup that will keep you interested and have a blast. Your body thanks you.
 

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Excellent post!

Hi Emerald,

I was scared 14 months ago to start vaping as well. My friend sent me a website full of wicks, wires and gadgets I had never seen before -- it was intimidating and raised my skepticism. I want to provide a view of my observations of the course of a year of vaping every day.

Vaping hands down requires a large amount of research, and if it is something you end up sticking with, a very DIY attitude. This is both good and bad, as it is fun, empowering and hobbyist yet can be overwhelming, confusing and complicated (and expensive depending on where you start).

Anyone who tells you that "the truth is vaping is safe" has no room to say that. This booming industry is extremely nascent and no "longitudinal" studies or health effects can be obtained at the hyper rate the industry is moving. We are all guinea pigs, but consider this - have you ever eaten a GMO crop or product? Do you have the same issues with lack of research and potential health risks with regards to foods and FDA approved drugs that available or prescribed?

Here's my take on it. Yes, the health effects of vaping are shrouded in uncertainty (and exaggerated media reports), but there are currently some seemingly unbiased and objective studies in the works -- I would start here if you are interested.

The only certainty that I can tell you about the health effects is purely anecdotal. My body and mind have transformed into what feels like essentially a non-smoker. All of my friends and vapers that I've met have had essentially the same results - better cardio vascular functioning, lack of ....ty old phonebook smell, reawakened sense of smell and taste, increased lung capacity, and a seemingly reduced risk of various heart diseases (and no carbon monoxide sitting in your lungs). I guess another benefit that I have felt is no caughing, gnarly phlegm, or crypt-like hacking -- my lungs absolutely feel "cleaner". I can run up flights of stairs, and regain my resting heart rate much faster than when I was on the fire sticks. I won't really get into the whole "additive" argument here (additives in cigs), and their addictive properties, but it is something to consider as well.

Now as far as potential dangers, there are many angles to approach this from. On the one hand, you have the actual equipment, which can vary from a small 3.7v stick battery (with possible circuit protection), to unregulated 4.2v + systems (mechanical mods) to high wattage regulated devices (150W+). Either way, battery safety is paramount to everything else - even the safest battery chemistry (arguably IMR; the type of cathode used) can be dangerous if not used properly. I only mention this because in my conversations with the vapers that I've met, there is a resounding agreement that cigalikes (i.e. blu, tsunami etc) are not effective in fully quiting smoking -- the progression to more powerful devices (bigger batteries, rebuildable atomizers (rba)) is natural and usually necessary to sustain a 'satisfying vape'.

Now the other side of it is the liquid. You can research the two main carriers or substrates in E-juice all you want - Proplene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin and obtain varying reports on their 'inertness' when inhaled. I myself and really not concerned so much over these, although there is currently a temperature study being conducted to assertain aldehyde levels when these compounds are vaporized at higher temperatures (i.e. mimicking modern vaping devices and trends).

What I am more concerned about is the components in the flavoring. As someone who mixes their own Ejuice at home, it was rather eye-opening to research the component lists of some of the flavor companies that produce the concentrated flavoring that comprises eliquid (e.g. The Perfumers Apprentice). No I myself use almost exclusively flavorings from this company, but when you begin to examine what makes up even a single flavor, the question of safety surfaces rather quickly (e.g. what happens to hexyl acetate when vaporized at 450 degrees?)

Now, I have been vaping these flavorings even before I knew I was (from various vendors that I used to purchase juice from, and later found out they used the same flavor/company). I can assure you, that the only adverse effect that I have had from vaping is literally 2 of the worst headaches of my life in the last 14 months, and this was due to dehydration (VG is hydroscopic, and vaping sucks moisture out of you in general). Other than that, the only problem is that it can be really time consuming if you DON'T enjoy it, and you might be willing to open your wallet a little to easily for a better fix of nic.

Overall -- do it if you are interested and commited in quiting SMOKING, not NICOTINE. If you don't want to be a guinea pig in general, I would adivse you to examine many other aspects of our culture (sorry if I'm presuming you're an american) and consider alternatives for countless other products on the market that don't have proper testing or clinical trials before releasing to the public. I can say for sure that I LOVE vaping, and it has transformed so many aspects of my life. Smoking requires a high level of willful ignorance to habitually continue, but I have found for myself and many others that I've met that vaping encourages people to look for the safest possible methods, devices and consumables in order to promote a healthier lifestyle and an overall fostering of harm reduction.

Only time will tell, but I like this community a lot - more maudes than harolds.
 

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If you put a piece of chicken on the stove and turn up the heat, this does produce a chemical change, it doesn't "boil" the chicken off. More then likely, I think the study that says formaldehyde is produced is possibly due to a coil, not necessarily the ejuice.

As you increase the amount of transfer heat energy to the e-juice, eventually you will reach the pyrolysis point. That is the point when you are actually 'burning' the juice and are, indeed, changing the molecular structure. This is how you get the formaldehyde from propylene glycol. At some point, you are mixing vapor with pyrolysis products. I believe that this is what Farsalinos is demonstrating. However, whether the aldehyde products are biologically meaningful is still, very much, questionable. See my post on carcinogenicity risk in this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...urnals-carbonyl-compounds-e-cig-vapors-2.html
 

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Then don't "try" to quit smoking.. Just start vaping along side the smokes...... Eventually, if you are like me, the vape will replace the sticks.,, Mainly cause the sticks start tasting like crap.

This. I was able to quit smoking after trying the Blu disposables when I went on a trip where I couldn't smoke. It was a slow process but eventually the smell and taste of the cigs got to me and I quit them altogether. Then I met eGo. Oh the difference! Flavors are awesome. I can smell, I can breathe when doing cardio. I have had chronic sinus infections (3-5 a year that needed antibiotics with lots of issues in between) since I was a kid. I've had 1 in the 2.5 years I've been vaping. If they're worse than cigarettes at least I FEEL healthier.
 

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I hear what you mean too. Emerald posted this out of apprehension and fear. I absolutely can relate to that - I felt the same reluctance to switch (even though I was scared to spend the money). I would argue its the attachment to the things you know and understand that keep you from changing. There are a million ways to rationalize smoking cigs - but either way you gotta find a way to untie the leash before you can run with something else.

I have noticed also, that the safety factors have both prevented me from quiting cigarettes, and now push me harder to vape safer. So it kind of has flipped around for me, not to mention I care about my body a lot more. Smoking was a huge excuse to make many other poor health decisions (chief in staff: the {Moderated}-it attiude). Since I felt like I was already doing one of the worst things for my body, I figured, why not do whatever else I want?

Vaping has really transformed this for me, as I have realized that smoking was a bottleneck in my health, and a cork to prevent many other attempts at healthier choices.


I was truly terrified only after I already had my eRoll, had gotten some 18mg, got nic-sick, got some 12mg, got nic-sick again. I had already invested over $50 in vaping -- a huge sum in this household -- and I was literally terrified I'd never find a way to do it that didn't make me nauseous; then I was worried I wouldn't find an ejuice I could enjoy enough to ditch cigarettes; and overall, I was scared to death that it would be the patch all over again -- a seemingly great idea that just didn't work. Well, it really did work, but after vaping about 6 wks, I started getting those swollen ankles and sore feet, so I had a whole new vape anxiety to deal with, and that one went on for several months, till after my appendectomy in June before I finally worked out that my dehydration had just run amok and totally scrambled my electrolytes, and had to make some rather drastic changes in my overall intake -- add coconut water and subtract 80% of my caffeine intake.

But I also know how addiction works, and there are about a zillion ways to rationalize all the bad things we do to ourselves, when we're struggling with the big scary idea of change; all this ignorant, WRONG hooraw in the media about the so-called dangers of vaping is just fuel to that sort of rationalizing fire -- and maybe that's exactly what it's intended to be, to keep more people from jumping off the tobacco-death-tax train and onto e-cigs. They're panicking, and people in a panic will tell any lie they think is necessary, and too damn bad for those smokers who might otherwise switch to vaping, but instead will listen to all that garbage which allows them to continue rationalizing smoking to themselves.

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A few friends have smoked, switched to vapor, then quit vaping and agree that quitting vaping was easier than switching. The point is that they also agreed that if they ever want nic again they won't go for the stinkies - but rather pull out the ol vape gear.
This is what I like to hear, and something I have long believed.
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I tend to vape unflavored quite a bit anymore. Tastes closer to a cigarette than any juice I've tried. Once you get your tastebuds back it's a whole different world.
I finally gave in and bought some unflavored to try...
It's not at all bad, and I could vape that if it ever came down to it.
 

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I hit 'submit and was informed that I am not allowed to post links. Thank this forum for saving my text. Anyway, if you want to see the Columbus Dispatch newspaper article just google it. "Kasich wants nearly to triple cost of puffing on an e-cig" For the other article -which I really like- concerning the inanity of discouraging vaping, google; "E-cigarettes: no smoke without ire" -by Lionel Shriver.
You will want to become familiar with this thread...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-will-impose-massive-tax-vapor-products.html
 

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Hi emeraldgreen,

Welcome to ECF. I'm a 60 year old male, and I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 42 years. I'm a PhD neuroscientist and I took up vaping in Dec 2014 because I wanted to improve the cognitive capacity of my ageing brain. Read the first 150, or so, posts in this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/633573-vaping-nicotine-advantages.html ... I think it will help you out.
I would like to encourage you to check out this newly formed organization...
CALL FOR DOCTORS, HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND SCIENTISTS IN SUPPORT OF ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES.
 

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I'm new to vaping myself ! I haven't smoked a cigaret since Jan. 27 2015(I had the help of taking chantix for 1 month) I was a smoker of 34 yrs. I started vaping Feb.15 2015. I started to crave for cigarets again and a few friends suggested vaping. Since I've been vaping I can smell things stronger and notice more now (like smokers) and food taste oooohhhh sooooo good now!!! It was the best choice to make and it's much cheaper then buying a pack of smokes a day at $6.85 a pk!!!!!!
 

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The "real" fear we all were facing is what my brother-inlaw is now facing. After 40 yrs of smoking,
3 yrs battling cancer, chemo, radiation and all the things that go along with dying from cancer, like saying good-bye to his 4 lovely children, allowing his ex wife to come in and take everything he has when he goes and drink it away, because he's still actually "married" to her, and refuses to admit he's on his way out and do a will. Leaving no end of trouble and strife in the family when he does finally go. This list is by no means exhaustive. We are doing as best we can to keep him home as long as possible as he doesn't want to end his life in a hospital, but the family can only do so much you know. He needs care!

Maybe a month left for him tops, these are the consequences many people and their families will face when we have smokers in our family. Keep things like this in mind if you choose "not" to quit smoking
as this might be what you are choosing instead.

All the Best.
 

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As you increase the amount of transfer heat energy to the e-juice, eventually you will reach the pyrolysis point. That is the point when you are actually 'burning' the juice and are, indeed, changing the molecular structure. This is how you get the formaldehyde from propylene glycol. At some point, you are mixing vapor with pyrolysis products. I believe that this is what Farsalinos is demonstrating. However, whether the aldehyde products are biologically meaningful is still, very much, questionable. See my post on carcinogenicity risk in this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...urnals-carbonyl-compounds-e-cig-vapors-2.html

Pyrolysis was discussed, it was mentioned that it would more than likely turn in to a gas before it even gets to that point. We know that when we vape VG has a certain effect, makes the vapor thicker. PG also has it's own characteristics, and of course nicotine does as well. This effects can be seen or experienced(in terms of nicotine and PG). If it converted to formaldehyde The effects would be seen.

I am speculating it's something in the flavorings. That there is some residual by product from the solvents which gets left behind on the coil which can go through pyrolysis.

I have a lab, so tomorrow I'll run a few tests in some test tubes. A test tube with VG, one with PG and one with Flavoring, see if there is any residuals left behind and post pictures.
 

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Greetings friends,

First of all i'm editing this to say, yes I realize the title is wrong lol. Meant to say "vaping". I write quickly and rarely proofread.

I am 27 years old and have been smoking half a pack to a pack a day for 12 years. I quit once when I was 22 and that lasted for a year. I used Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking book. Worked well for me.

However ever since I started back up, I have had a devil of a time quitting. The withdrawals are hard to deal with, I get terrible anxiety, and I have a history of panic attacks.

I need to stop smoking. I recently had the flu and still smoked and now I have a horrible cough that won't go away. I worry about my health. I know i'm killing myself. I can't imagine getting cancer or anything like that.

I have tried e-digs before (smokeless image volt), and it wasn't bad. However with all the recent news reports coming out about the dangers of e-cigs and how we are basically guinea pigs, I don't know if its the right route to take. I am not an expert on e-cigs but I have read quite a lot about them on forums, journal articles, etc. They SEEM to be much safer, but I would hate to get the wrong brand or something and be unknowingly inhaling high levels of metals or something that would surely give me cancer. Smoking is horrible I know, but at least we know all about it and most cigarettes are highly similar to one another.

Please guide me in the right direction. I just had to take care of my late grandmother who died from emphysema. I had to hold her hand for the last 3 months of her life will she gasped for air! I want to live for my future grandchildren!

I'd use Yelp or similar to find a few vape shop local to you and talk to them, you're going to want to find a place your comfortable with. One with mature and professional sales. Research any products first before you buy. Only buy brand names.

The way I started with vaping was to quit cigs. I started with a 24mg nic content for 2 weeks, then cut that to 12mg, now Im at 6mg. In 2+ months. I haven't wanted a cig or taken a single hit off one! I am determined!

Also, job one is to find flavors YOU like and can vape all day. That takes time and $...

GO FOR IT! YOU'LL BE HAPPY YOU DID!

As to the health concerns of vaping... it has to be healthier than all the carcinogens in cigs is my theory!
 
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