Can anyone direct me to a link that provides updates on these issues as they affect each state, specifically California? i saw it somewhere on the forum awhile back but i cannot find it anymore.
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I feel for ya, Clark, not having the fun of braving freezing temps and tons of snow, being stuck with sunshine and warm temperatures everyday. LOL
The avatar is the real me !!
Don't feel bad about the FDA not listening to you, they don't listen to us either.
I hope you don't get the nasty weather, Julie, we look forward to getting your daily docket movement reports.
The avatar is the real me !!
Don't feel bad about the FDA not listening to you, they don't listen to us either.
I hope you don't get the nasty weather, Julie, we look forward to getting your daily docket movement reports.
Clark, I mean this literally: Go hiking on a Thistle. Do it for me.
The rest of your will probably think that I just insulted the poor man. As a sailor, he knows of what I speak.
The rest of your will probably think that I just insulted the poor man. As a sailor, he knows of what I speak.
Nothing new to report . . . well, except that I still have my electricity . . . at least for now.
Thank you Julie and sooooo happy to hear you got electricity!!!
Now here is to hoping you (and I) have it the next couple of days.
Now here is to hoping you (and I) have it the next couple of days.
Hey, all...I stumbled across this article and one snippet really caught my eye...
How Safe Are E-Cigarettes? - ABC News
On page three of the article it says this:
"New York's move is a reaction to what can't yet happen on the national level. According to a series of recent court decisions, e-cigarettes cannot qualify as drug delivery products, said Jeff Ventura, a spokesman for the FDA. As a result, the agency cannot ban them or require more arduous testing."
Does this mean the FDA is quietly conceding?
How Safe Are E-Cigarettes? - ABC News
On page three of the article it says this:
"New York's move is a reaction to what can't yet happen on the national level. According to a series of recent court decisions, e-cigarettes cannot qualify as drug delivery products, said Jeff Ventura, a spokesman for the FDA. As a result, the agency cannot ban them or require more arduous testing."
Does this mean the FDA is quietly conceding?
That would be wonderful, but personally I doubt it as they don't like to back down under any conditions. But, one can hope. Noticed in your banner or whatever that thing is called - a reference to Moxie! Are you talking about the soft drink? When I was a kid growing up in Maine that was my favorite! If there is a e-liquid with that flavor it whould probably become my favorite on first vape. There is no Moxie here in Ca. to my sorrow.
The FDA will never quit. The reason is they are funded by the pharmaceutical industry, and the pain of falling NRT sales as electronic cigarettes gain ground will be intense. If you had an industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and some guy came along with something that would make it redundant, would you quit? Of course not.
The FDA has a reputation for ignoring court verdicts for as long as they possibly can, so they'll drag this phase out.
After they have to give up on that, they will start in on regulating e-cigarettes as a tobacco product. Expect a great many court battles over that as well, as there some obvious moves they will try: stopping mail deliveries, reducing the nic content to useless levels, banning flavors, and so on. It looks as if they may have the power to do some of these things.
This will run and run.
The FDA has a reputation for ignoring court verdicts for as long as they possibly can, so they'll drag this phase out.
After they have to give up on that, they will start in on regulating e-cigarettes as a tobacco product. Expect a great many court battles over that as well, as there some obvious moves they will try: stopping mail deliveries, reducing the nic content to useless levels, banning flavors, and so on. It looks as if they may have the power to do some of these things.
This will run and run.
I know this is very controversial to many, but we really need to get the Tobacco Companies on our side. After all, without them, we don't have the nicotine liquid that is used in making e-liquid for our PV's. They have the money that is needed for the studies that we all know must be done to prove that the vapor is magnitudes safer than inhaling smoke and that there is no harm done to those around us from exhaled vapor.
You are most likely right, MR. They are likely to start investment now that the legal framework has been defined. They won't cooperate with the electronic cigarette industry at this stage, it's not a good commercial move. Instead, they will start on things like business plan research - costing the manufacturing, marketing and distribution, and researching the likely future of the market. When and if that looks promising, they will go to market. At that stage they will implement other measures such as clinical research and so on.
However, they are bound to see the established e-cigarette industry as a competitor, and will do what they can to beat or if possible eliminate competition - it's simply good commercial sense. Look how hard the pharma industry is fighting, don't think the tobacco barons are an easier touch. For example they will try to buy patents, or buy exclusive regional distributorships from the manufacturers.
So, yes, as they move into the market they will improve some aspects for the existing trade. And they'll also fight hard against it. That's business.
However, they are bound to see the established e-cigarette industry as a competitor, and will do what they can to beat or if possible eliminate competition - it's simply good commercial sense. Look how hard the pharma industry is fighting, don't think the tobacco barons are an easier touch. For example they will try to buy patents, or buy exclusive regional distributorships from the manufacturers.
So, yes, as they move into the market they will improve some aspects for the existing trade. And they'll also fight hard against it. That's business.
Nothing new to report on the docket.
And on a personal note, I'm celebrating my 2-year anniversary of vaping instead of smoking. Thank you to all of my friends here and elsewhere who've made the last two years so wonderful.
Celebrating My Two-Year Anniversary of being Smoke-Free - International Vapers Club Blog
And on a personal note, I'm celebrating my 2-year anniversary of vaping instead of smoking. Thank you to all of my friends here and elsewhere who've made the last two years so wonderful.
Celebrating My Two-Year Anniversary of being Smoke-Free - International Vapers Club Blog
Congratulations on the two year mark Julie 
I'm kinda surprised though, I thought we were making you miserable.
I'm kinda surprised though, I thought we were making you miserable.
Nothing new to report on the docket.
And on a personal note, I'm celebrating my 2-year anniversary of vaping instead of smoking. Thank you to all of my friends here and elsewhere who've made the last two years so wonderful.
Celebrating My Two-Year Anniversary of being Smoke-Free - International Vapers Club Blog
OUTSTANDING!
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