second hand vape.

[Lilvapie]

Sidestream smoke is generated at lower temperatures and a higher alkalinity than mainstream smoke, and as a result has a different chemical composition. During environmental tobacco smoke formation, both sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream smoke are diluted by many orders of magnitude and subsequently undergo physical transformation and alterations in chemical composition. For example, nicotine and many other semi-volatile compounds of tobacco smoke tend to be present in the particle phase of inhaled mainstream smoke, but evaporate into the vapor phase as exhaled mainstream smoke is rapidly diluted during the formation of environmental tobacco smoke.

{MOD EDIT: http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/ }

 

[rbrylawski]

Sidestream smoke is generated at lower temperatures and a higher alkalinity than mainstream smoke, and as a result has a different chemical composition. During environmental tobacco smoke formation, both sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream smoke are diluted by many orders of magnitude and subsequently undergo physical transformation and alterations in chemical composition. For example, nicotine and many other semi-volatile compounds of tobacco smoke tend to be present in the particle phase of inhaled mainstream smoke, but evaporate into the vapor phase as exhaled mainstream smoke is rapidly diluted during the formation of environmental tobacco smoke.

{MOD EDIT: http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/ }

Um, OK. You didn't answer my question.


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[Lilvapie]

If second hand smoke exposure is a significant risk factor for developing lung cancer, then we should expect to see increased numbers of cancer cases in non-smokers who are exposed to regular doses of second hand smoke. Has there been an increase in the incidence of lung cancer among nonsmokers over the last 40 years? The answer is quite simply… No.

 

[rbrylawski]

If second hand smoke exposure is a significant risk factor for developing lung cancer, then we should expect to see increased numbers of cancer cases in non-smokers who are exposed to regular doses of second hand smoke. Has there been an increase in the incidence of lung cancer among nonsmokers over the last 40 years? The answer is quite simply… No.

Sick is sick. 2nd hand smoke doesn't HAVE to cause cancer to be an issue as Andria so clearly demonstrated.

You can live in your bubble of denial, but it's an unhealthy bubble to be sure.


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[SmokinRabbit]

I'll be the jerk that admits it. I didn't feel all that guilty smoking around my kids. Maybe occasionally I felt some, and I didn't smoke in their faces, but I did smoke in my home and in my car without much thought.

Andria... I too had a child who missed quite a bit of school early on. However, I didn't change my habits at all and it evened out anyway. Matter of fact she became the kid with perfect attendance until she graduated. What do I attribute it to? Her immune system finally catching on and becoming accustomed to being around other sick kids all the time.

I'm not insinuating that second hand smoke isn't harmful. I know we've all been told it is, and I can't argue it intelligently.

What I do know... Second hand vapor is a whole lot better


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[rbrylawski]

I'll be the jerk that admits it. I didn't feel all that guilty smoking around my kids. Maybe occasionally I felt some, and I didn't smoke in their faces, but I did smoke in my home and in my car without much thought.

Andria... I too had a child who missed quite a bit of school early on. However, I didn't change my habits at all and it evened out anyway. Matter of fact she became the kid with perfect attendance until she graduated. What do I attribute it to? Her immune system finally catching on and becoming accustomed to being around other sick kids all the time.

I'm not insinuating that second hand smoke isn't harmful. I know we've all been told it is, and I can't argue it intelligently.

What I do know... Second hand vapor is a whole lot better


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Yes, I think we ALL agree 2nd hand vapor is a whole lot better. I just don't agree with the sentiment we have the "right" to vape anywhere anytime we choose. No I don't.


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[AndriaD]

I'll be the jerk that admits it. I didn't feel all that guilty smoking around my kids. Maybe occasionally I felt some, and I didn't smoke in their faces, but I did smoke in my home and in my car without much thought.

Andria... I too had a child who missed quite a bit of school early on. However, I didn't change my habits at all and it evened out anyway. Matter of fact she became the kid with perfect attendance until she graduated. What do I attribute it to? Her immune system finally catching on and becoming accustomed to being around other sick kids all the time.

I'm not insinuating that second hand smoke isn't harmful. I know we've all been told it is, and I can't argue it intelligently.

What I do know... Second hand vapor is a whole lot better

I think it probably depends a great deal on the child; his overall health, his genetic endowments, AND his environment. My son inherited a risk of bronchial asthma from me, and my father; he suffered pneumonia at the age of 5; he lived in smoke for the first 9 yrs of his life. Removing the smoke from his environment produced immediate positive results, but he still has chronic bronchitis, and probably always will, and probably stands a substantial risk of developing adult-onset asthma, as I did, especially if he goes back to smoking.

I never considered it that big a risk, when he was younger, mainly because *I* lived in 2nd hand smoke all my childhood, and started smoking at the age of 13. But you know, I suffered severe sinus problems my whole life, and I figured they were just part of "me" -- but after I was smoke-free for about 2 or 2 1/2 months, for the FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I suddenly had clear sinuses. It felt strange to wake up with my sinuses and nose clear as a bell, and not to have to go around sniffing and blowing and snorting all the time; I can only attribute those long-standing problems to 2nd-hand smoke, and then 1st hand, after I started smoking. Of course it can never be known if I would have developed adult-onset asthma if I hadn't had that kind of 2nd hand and then 1st hand exposure to cigarette smoke, especially given the hereditary factors, but I'd say it's a very good possibility that I would not have.

I've also questioned a particular behavior that he suffered at about 3 wks of age -- just crying CONSTANTLY... I did not quit smoking when I was pregnant; in my 1st trimester, I was so nauseous that I cut down to about 3-4 cigs a day, but once the nausea was over, it slowly began to creep back up, till I was smoking just a bit less than a pk a day just before he was born, and I wonder now if that incessant crying at 3 wks was his own version of withdrawing from nicotine and the other alkaloids. It can never be known, obviously, but I do wonder. He started smoking when he was 18, and I have to wonder if he wasn't already predisposed to that choice and addiction, not only by the environment, his mom being a smoker for his whole life, but also by exposure to those chemicals in utero. He quit a few years ago, thank heavens. Hope he stays that way, but if he feels like he needs to go back to smoking at any time, I've got an eRoll here, just waiting.

Andria

 

[rbrylawski]

I think it probably depends a great deal on the child; his overall health, his genetic endowments, AND his environment. My son inherited a risk of bronchial asthma from me, and my father; he suffered pneumonia at the age of 5; he lived in smoke for the first 9 yrs of his life. Removing the smoke from his environment produced immediate positive results, but he still has chronic bronchitis, and probably always will, and probably stands a substantial risk of developing adult-onset asthma, as I did, especially if he goes back to smoking.

I never considered it that big a risk, when he was younger, mainly because *I* lived in 2nd hand smoke all my childhood, and started smoking at the age of 13. But you know, I suffered severe sinus problems my whole life, and I figured they were just part of "me" -- but after I was smoke-free for about 2 or 2 1/2 months, for the FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I suddenly had clear sinuses. It felt strange to wake up with my sinuses and nose clear as a bell, and not to have to go around sniffing and blowing and snorting all the time; I can only attribute those long-standing problems to 2nd-hand smoke, and then 1st hand, after I started smoking. Of course it can never be known if I would have developed adult-onset asthma if I hadn't had that kind of 2nd hand and then 1st hand exposure to cigarette smoke, especially given the hereditary factors, but I'd say it's a very good possibility that I would not have.

I've also questioned a particular behavior that he suffered at about 3 wks of age -- just crying CONSTANTLY... I did not quit smoking when I was pregnant; in my 1st trimester, I was so nauseous that I cut down to about 3-4 cigs a day, but once the nausea was over, it slowly began to creep back up, till I was smoking just a bit less than a pk a day just before he was born, and I wonder now if that incessant crying at 3 wks was his own version of withdrawing from nicotine and the other alkaloids. It can never be known, obviously, but I do wonder. He started smoking when he was 18, and I have to wonder if he wasn't already predisposed to that choice and addiction, not only by the environment, his mom being a smoker for his whole life, but also by exposure to those chemicals in utero. He quit a few years ago, thank heavens. Hope he stays that way, but if he feels like he needs to go back to smoking at any time, I've got an eRoll here, just waiting.

Andria

My mother smoked when she was carrying me. I don't fault her, it was before the surgeon general said there was a link between smoking and lung cancer. The day he said it however, she quit, but I was a young boy. My father however, smoked 3 packs a day until just a few years ago (he's 93 now and in decent health, go figure). My mother told me when I was born, I cried non-stop in my first few weeks. I'm convinced it was me going through nicotine withdrawal. I also suffered massive bronchial and sinus related illnesses as a child all the way into Middle School, which I certainly think was brought on by living in a smoke filled home. Given what is known today, I personally think any parent who would smoke indoors with children in tow is absolutely unforgivable.

I took to smoking immediately. I stole my first cigarette from my father when I less than 10 years old. I lit, inhaled, didn't cough and enjoyed it. I didn't really start smoking regularly until I was 16, but once I started, I didn't stop until a couple years ago and I'm now almost 60. I never smoked more than a pack a day, and often less (sometimes more).

 

[AndriaD]

My mother smoked when she was carrying me. I don't fault her, it was before the surgeon general said there was a link between smoking and lung cancer. The day he said it however, she quit, but I was a young boy. My father however, smoked 3 packs a day until just a few years ago (he's 93 now and in decent health, go figure). My mother told me when I was born, I cried non-stop in my first few weeks. I'm convinced it was me going through nicotine withdrawal. I also suffered massive bronchial and sinus related illnesses as a child all the way into Middle School, which I certainly think was brought on by living in a smoke filled home. Given what is known today, I personally think any parent who would smoke indoors with children in tow is absolutely unforgivable.

I'd have to agree. There are a couple regrets that really plague me, but that one is near the top of the list. It's a terrible feeling, to a parent, to know that one's own ignorance is the cause of a serious problem for one's child.

I took to smoking immediately. I stole my first cigarette from my father when I less than 10 years old. I lit, inhaled, didn't cough and enjoyed it. I didn't really start smoking regularly until I was 16, but once I started, I didn't stop until a couple years ago and I'm now almost 60. I never smoked more than a pack a day, and often less (sometimes more).

I wasn't quite 14 when I started, but by the time I graduated high school, I was a pk a day smoker. Just before I decided to take my smoking outdoors for my son's benefit, I had been smoking 3+ pks a day -- just the change from indoor to outdoor made that drop immediately to 2 pks a day, and the last 16 yrs, I gradually got it down to about a pk a day, mainly because we couldn't afford more than that!

Andria

 

[rbrylawski]

I'd have to agree. There are a couple regrets that really plague me, but that one is near the top of the list. It's a terrible feeling, to a parent, to know that one's own ignorance is the cause of a serious problem for one's child.

I wasn't quite 14 when I started, but by the time I graduated high school, I was a pk a day smoker. Just before I decided to take my smoking outdoors for my son's benefit, I had been smoking 3+ pks a day -- just the change from indoor to outdoor made that drop immediately to 2 pks a day, and the last 16 yrs, I gradually got it down to about a pk a day, mainly because we couldn't afford more than that!

Andria

You can't beat yourself up for things you did in the past. I'm sure you were a wonderful mother and I'll bet your son is grateful he's your son. Smoking held such strong control over us as you well know. You mentioned he became a smoker as well (but has quit - which is great!). I know the statistics prove that children from parents who smoke are much more likely to smoke as well. I'm sure it's one of the reasons I became a smoker. But I was embarrassed that I was an intelligent man, with a good income, who was slowly committing suicide with each cigarette I lit. In fact, I was so embarrassed that my friends and family never knew I smoked. I was a master at hiding it. I carried mini cologne's with me. Gum and breath mints too. As soon as I smoked, I immediately went to the restroom and washed my face and hands with hot water and soap.

 

[SmokinRabbit]

I smoked part of my pregnancy, my daughter doesn't smoke, never had and has no desire. And most of her young life her dad and I smoked like fiends.

My mother never smoked.... Not when I was a fetus or otherwise. I grew up to smoke like a fiend.

It's mostly genetics. My dad was an alcoholic and I got the addict gene. Could have easily become full blown alcoholic but recognized it early on and didn't walk that path. Struggled with eating disorder but recovered almost 20 years. Smoking is the last addiction I've battled.

Husband on the other hand... No addict gene. He smoke because he liked to. After 20 years of 2 PAD Marlboro red, he quit cold turkey (like 8 years ago now). Never struggled. Jerk. LOL


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[DaveP]

We'd all be better off breathing plain old air than we are vaping, but that's not the point. Vapers who switch and quit smoking cigarettes are eventually healthier than if they continued the old habit. I vape inside restaurants and other places if it's not crowded and I can do it with stealth. I inhale without creating floating clouds and I blow it downwards under the table. Employees see my mod and see my vaping and don't say a word. Some want to know all about it and where they can get one for their 2 PAD brother in law who won't give up his cigarettes. Some reach in their pocket and show me their clearo mod.

Vaping was tainted early on when ANTZ started spouting the twisted information about anti-freeze and exaggerated tales about the dangers of nicotine. It's not the same as smoking, but the vapor looks like smoke. Anyone who hates smoke will probably hate vapor. It's up to the government to publish the truth about vaping and the reasons it's not dangerous to the public. Until that happens, we will be outcasts in some cases.

But, we all know that as long as tobacco companies are paying off the tobacco settlement to government, government will not support vaping over smoking. Every pack that a smoker buys is a small contribution to the government in terms of taxes and legal proceeds.

 

[Bunnykiller]

well bad news is: Vapor does contain 'a bunch of chemicals'. so in that regard, she is correct. But guess what? Your sandwich contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. That cola you drank with your sandwich contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. A glass of tap water contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. The air you breathe walking down the street contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. There is plenty of misinformation being spread on both sides of the vaping argument. Example:



Seriously? Let's just look at this with some semblance of critical thinking. Any time you put the word "may" in front of the phrase "in fact" EVERYONE's BS alarms should go off. It is impossible for anyone to prove that vaped exhaled breathe could be beneficial. This is a ridiculous assertion and should be classified as the 'misinformation' we so vehemently decry.



I've seen a fair share of these threads. They're usually started by someone who is a former smoker but now vapes. They didn't really get into vaping because they were interested in stopping smoking, they started vaping because they could do it at their desk at work or in a store or in a restaurant or wherever smoking isn't allowed (Note OP's signature) -- They could 'get away with' vaping because there had not yet been a rule made to prevent the activity.

Whether your other coworkers care or not, she cares. You are exposing her to something she is given little choice to avoid. She has to work in that area of the office to make her living. You can still go outside for your fix. Problem solved.

You have the freedom to be inconsiderate, but that doesn't mean you should exercise that freedom.

you would have loved working next to the person I had to work next to.... she wore the most disgusting perfumes, a sickly sweet lavender that would make a person nausiated (sp?) and lets not forget the headaches that came within 1/2 an hour of having to be exposed to the vile "auroma" she so dearly loved... yup I suppose she had a right to pollute my air and for her own vanity... I would have rather put up with the natural scent of nasty sweat and funk.... at least that wouldnt give me a headache....

 

[rbrylawski]

you would have loved working next to the person I had to work next to.... she wore the most disgusting perfumes, a sickly sweet lavender that would make a person nausiated (sp?) and lets not forget the headaches that came within 1/2 an hour of having to be exposed to the vile "auroma" she so dearly loved... yup I suppose she had a right to pollute my air and for her own vanity... I would have rather put up with the natural scent of nasty sweat and funk.... at least that wouldnt give me a headache....

If you found her scent objectionable, you could have let your manager know who should have asked her to make some changes. Two wrongs never make a right.


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[AndriaD]

Husband on the other hand... No addict gene. He smoke because he liked to. After 20 years of 2 PAD Marlboro red, he quit cold turkey (like 8 years ago now). Never struggled. Jerk. LOL

Heh... my husband is like that, too. He quit smoking cigarettes in 1973, which was 2 yrs before I even started! (he's 8 1/2 yrs older than me). In recent years he smoked Black & Mild cigars, the little ones that smell like pipe tobacco, but when his doc said that from his chest x-ray, it looked like he might have "the beginnings of borderline COPD" he laid those lil cigars down and never smoked another. And I echo.. "Jerk!" Hehe.. but I didn't really mind; they smell like pipe tobacco till about the last inch, THEN they smell like a very nasty brushfire! And also his coughing went away, and that was nice too; at the time, I had been a smoker for about 35 yrs, and he coughed worse than I did -- and I have asthma, too!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I would have rather put up with the natural scent of nasty sweat and funk.... at least that wouldnt give me a headache....

I agree 10000000%!!! At least sweat is natural! Some men's sweat is pretty bad, I admit; men's sweat has a strong "hot metal and fried onions" kind of funk, but no woman smells like that, even if she's working out in the sun all day -- I'd far rather smell a woman's sweat than some of the evil crap they SPRAY ALL OVER THEMSELVES. Sometimes I wonder if they have a 55 gal drum and just climb inside it.

Andria

 

[Bunnykiller]

If you found her scent objectionable, you could have let your manager know who should have asked her to make some changes. Two wrongs never make a right.


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the manager was married to her.... so that was a no go situation...

 

[issy]

I agree 10000000%!!! At least sweat is natural! Some men's sweat is pretty bad, I admit; men's sweat has a strong "hot metal and fried onions" kind of funk, but no woman smells like that, even if she's working out in the sun all day -- I'd far rather smell a woman's sweat than some of the evil crap they SPRAY ALL OVER THEMSELVES. Sometimes I wonder if they have a 55 gal drum and just climb inside it.

Andria

Lots of little old biddies come into my restaurant drenched in the stuff of the good ol' days...yeah, instant headache. There's a reason most restaurants have the rule that no employee is allowed to wear perfume or cologne...because it can be OFFENSIVE. Especially around food! I'd rather smell sweat or smoke ANY day.

Next time someone says something about second-hand vapor, I'm going to snidely remark on their second-hand body-vapors. Yech. LOL

 

[issy]

the manager was married to her.... so that was a no go situation...

That's how it always works..huh...been there, dealt with that!

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

Sidestream smoke is generated at lower temperatures and a higher alkalinity than mainstream smoke, and as a result has a different chemical composition. During environmental tobacco smoke formation, both sidestream smoke and exhaled mainstream smoke are diluted by many orders of magnitude and subsequently undergo physical transformation and alterations in chemical composition. For example, nicotine and many other semi-volatile compounds of tobacco smoke tend to be present in the particle phase of inhaled mainstream smoke, but evaporate into the vapor phase as exhaled mainstream smoke is rapidly diluted during the formation of environmental tobacco smoke.

{MOD EDIT: http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/ }

Nice citation BTW
Passing it off as your own is lame.