I'm just trying to figure out if "NUTZ" is actually an acronym for anything, lol.
Do you perpetuate the water vapor lie?
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Does e-cigarette consumption cause passive vaping? - Schripp - 2012 - Indoor Air - Wiley Online Library
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after this thread it made really want to look into what chemicals are in the vapour etc and found these linking a study showing chemicals present and at what levels. are there any studys that explain what the vapour is made of that makes sense at all, such as water, pg, vg etc. I suppose it depends on the type of liquid juice used but any study of any juice would be helpful if there is one?
http://......................./vapor-content-of-an-electronic-cigarette
after this thread it made really want to look into what chemicals are in the vapour etc and found these linking a study showing chemicals present and at what levels. are there any studys that explain what the vapour is made of that makes sense at all, such as water, pg, vg etc. I suppose it depends on the type of liquid juice used but any study of any juice would be helpful if there is one?
Why compare the two? Vaping isn't smoking. I got a funky batch of PVC which burned up on the screw in my extruder last night. Compared to what that was putting out, cigarettes are harmless...
It depends on the audience and the level of patience I have at any said time. As soon as I get a little technical I see eyes glaze over and feel I'm wasting my time and or energy.
Because in my experience, people have equated vaping to smoking.
I'm just back from a bar, where a few friends and I went for a drink. I pulled out my e-cig and asked the owner if he minded.
"Is that one of these electronic cigarette thingies? What's in it? Tobacco?" he said, doubtful.
I fed him Glasseye's explanation instead of the water vapor thing: "No, it's the same stuff they put in fog machines in night clubs, and food flavorings."
"Does it smell? I don't want the other patrons bothered."
"No, no smell at all."
"Well it's alright then. You go right ahead."
So there you go. The fog machine line works great and I didn't lie (well, perhaps a little: I didn't mention that the law didn't allow him to let me vape inside - but we were out of sight in our little corner - and I didn't mention the nicotine in my juice, which is illegal here too.)
"Is that one of these electronic cigarette thingies? What's in it? Tobacco?" he said, doubtful.
I fed him Glasseye's explanation instead of the water vapor thing: "No, it's the same stuff they put in fog machines in night clubs, and food flavorings."
"Does it smell? I don't want the other patrons bothered."
"No, no smell at all."
"Well it's alright then. You go right ahead."
So there you go. The fog machine line works great and I didn't lie (well, perhaps a little: I didn't mention that the law didn't allow him to let me vape inside - but we were out of sight in our little corner - and I didn't mention the nicotine in my juice, which is illegal here too.)
Im surprised by everyone answers. I wont lie, I do use the water vapor line sometimes when Its just random people that I dont want to explain it to, or dont want them to concern therselfs with why im not going outside to vape (waiter at a resturant, bartender at bar, clerk at store, ect) Although I get why people might have issues with the line, I figured it would be more common among vapers. I guess I just lack the moral fiber of most
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I think if we lead/allow people to believe misinformation or partial information, we're setting ourselves up. If I say, "water-based vapor" knowing that they'll hear "water vapor", I may make my own life easier in the short term, but I do a social disservice to the rest of the world. It sets things up for headlines like "E_CIGARETTE "WATER VAPOR" FOUND TO CONTAIN PROPYLENE GLYCOL!!!"
I would love to be able to vape anywhere, anytime I choose. That would make MY life easier. But I'm not willing to buy that at the expense of the eventual effects of soft-pedaling the truth, skirting reality, sins of omission, sugar-coating, whatever you want to call it. For me, it's not enough to say, "They don't really want to know," when the truth is, "I don't want them to object to what I'm doing, so this is all I am going to tell them."
Full disclosure is what separates us from weasely corporate interests, innit?
I would love to be able to vape anywhere, anytime I choose. That would make MY life easier. But I'm not willing to buy that at the expense of the eventual effects of soft-pedaling the truth, skirting reality, sins of omission, sugar-coating, whatever you want to call it. For me, it's not enough to say, "They don't really want to know," when the truth is, "I don't want them to object to what I'm doing, so this is all I am going to tell them."
Full disclosure is what separates us from weasely corporate interests, innit?
I suppose that's about right. I've never had to explain it to anyone but my parents to convince them to get a Triton kit for my sister, who is now happily vaping
I did tell them it was pretty much water vapor, though it still has nicotine. I don't see the problem with that, even if it wasn't my parents. If someone asks exactly what it contains, I'll tell them. But if they are objecting to my vaping and equating it to smoking, I'll try to explain it to them in a very detailed manner. Listing all of the ingredients used to make the juice will likely lead to more debate that will lead nowhere because they'll still think I'm wrong for vaping. Because they're perfect.Not to say that I'm happily and willingly leaving them ignorant of what I'm doing. I've just never met anyone that is genuinely interested in what I'm doing. It's just been viewed as a nuisance that must be stopped. I don't like arguing.
More properly, at least concerning 100% VG, it is metabolized into water vapor. Does that mean what you exhale is "just water vapor?" No. Flavorings. Nicotine. Yadda yadda.
See: The safety of vegetable glycerin (VG) when inhaled through an electronic cigarette (e-cigarette). Studies on the effect of the inhalation of vegetable glycerin through a personal vaporizer.
See: The safety of vegetable glycerin (VG) when inhaled through an electronic cigarette (e-cigarette). Studies on the effect of the inhalation of vegetable glycerin through a personal vaporizer.
You hit the nail on the head. When I said I just mention water vapor, it's because I need to convince someone that what I'm doing is harmless in 5 seconds or less.
If I have to talk about a subject that interests me, I always remind myself that there are 3 kinds of people:
1/ Those who aren't interested in what I'm talking about: they don't want the details, much less a complete lecture on the subject. I imagine they too have areas of expertise I wouldn't be interested in either, and I know I wouldn't want to get stuck listening to them rambling on about their particular hobby. So I return the favor and use the shortest shortcut possible to talk about what I need to talk about.
2/ Those who share an interest in the subject: they don't need explanations.
3/ Those who turn out to be interested by the subject after I mention it briefly: they will ask for more details themselves.
So there is a need for a simplistic and terse summary to bring up the subject of vaping to people in the first group, who don't particularly want to hear about it in the first place, that instantly conveys the positive aspect of the activity.
FWIW, I've only met 3 people who genuinely seemed interested in knowing more about vaping - and only one of these 3 started vaping as a direct result of my explanations. All 3 were heavy smokers thinking seriously about quitting. But I've never come across a non-smoker who wanted to know anything more than whether or not I was going to poison them with my "smoke".
This has already been said, but it bears repeating...
For anyone looking for a short but accurate explanation of what we exhale...
You can just say we exhale the same thing that fog machines produce, except it is flavored.
I wouldn't even bother mentioning the nicotine, as studies show the amount we exhale is negligible.
For anyone looking for a short but accurate explanation of what we exhale...
You can just say we exhale the same thing that fog machines produce, except it is flavored.
I wouldn't even bother mentioning the nicotine, as studies show the amount we exhale is negligible.
So, when someone asks you what you are drinking, from what you just said, you would feel guilty if you told them: "It's just soda."? Because you would be misleading them by not telling them that you are really drinking soda-water with caffeine and a prune based syrup called Dr. Pepper with a ton of sugar and/or Aspartame?
That's how I explain it. It's a mini fog machine. Except at 5.0+ volts. Then it's a portable fog machine
I tell them, "It's the new iPhone Subvocalizer with Metaphasic ESP technology, and that cloud you see is residual ectoplasma. Shiny, huh? Would you like to see my matching tin foil hat?"
No I don't and never would say that but I'd like to sometimes just so people would leave me the hell alone.
Seriously I don't engage people about it, rather just walk away. Lecturing detracts from my enjoyment of the moment. Too lazy for teaching and too smart for preaching. Love complaining like everybody else though.
No I don't and never would say that but I'd like to sometimes just so people would leave me the hell alone.
Seriously I don't engage people about it, rather just walk away. Lecturing detracts from my enjoyment of the moment. Too lazy for teaching and too smart for preaching. Love complaining like everybody else though.
Most people that have seen me vaping disregard it as smoking and don't ask questions. Where I work just recently banned any tobacco and e-cigarette from the property. I find it absolutely ridiculous although it's not really a bad thing for me. Ninja-vaping in the bathroom is the way to go!
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I saw a guest on Jay Leno pull out get Blu one time. The reaction Jay showed looked like she had on a shirt that said "I've got ebola and I'm looking to share it" then went on to say it was illegal to smoke indoors in California. She took the rest of her segment explaining what a Blu (or any other e cig) is, the difference between smoke and vapor, what she was exhaling, etc. Jay became very interested and was asking a bunch of questions when she said it helped her quit smoking.
I didn't think it'd be such a big deal at the time because anything vaping was just a fringe thing and not available in your local Walgreen or tobacco shop yet. It was informative for me personally.
They never did discuss her new movie/CD/whatever, just e cigs and cigarettes.
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I didn't think it'd be such a big deal at the time because anything vaping was just a fringe thing and not available in your local Walgreen or tobacco shop yet. It was informative for me personally.
They never did discuss her new movie/CD/whatever, just e cigs and cigarettes.
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