Do you perpetuate the water vapor lie?

[mountainbikermark]

Are you sure that wasn't Katherine Heigl on the David Letterman show?

David cannot poke his chin out in shock the way Jay can.
David would've run off the stage screaming like a girl.
I haven't watched Letterman since he left nbc decades ago.
No it was Jay Leno.

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[kristin]

David cannot poke his chin out in shock the way Jay can.
David would've run off the stage screaming like a girl.
I haven't watched Letterman since he left nbc decades ago.
No it was Jay Leno.

If someone was vaping on the Tonight Show, I'm surprised it wasn't discussed all over the forums! Every little celebrity vaping seems to get posted about 20 times, lol! I can't find anything on Google about vaping or e-cigs on the Tonight Show?

Are you sure you're not thinking of this? (The title mistakenly says "Tonight Show" but it's obviously Letterman.)

 

[HybridTea]

So, when someone asks you what you are drinking, from what you just said, you would feel guilty if you told them: "It's just soda."? Because you would be misleading them by not telling them that you are really drinking soda-water with caffeine and a prune based syrup called Dr. Pepper with a ton of sugar and/or Aspartame?

Nope. Because the equivalent to "It's soda" would be "It's a personal vaporizer." And that's what I say.

If someone asks, "What's in it?" the equivalent answer wouldn't be "water and sugar" -- and the answer to "Is that smoke?" wouldn't be "It's water based vapor," for me. If they want to know what's in the exhaled vapor, I'd tell them it's water-based vapor with traces of nicotine, vegetable glycol, and propylene glycol. Fewer surprises later, that way.

I like the fog machine explanation.

I realize this is just my take on things. I'm less concerned with vaping in peace today than in being able to continue vaping in the future.

 

[turnforward]

Nope. Because the equivalent to "It's soda" would be "It's a personal vaporizer." And that's what I say.

If someone asks, "What's in it?" the equivalent answer wouldn't be "water and sugar" -- and the answer to "Is that smoke?" wouldn't be "It's water based vapor," for me. If they want to know what's in the exhaled vapor, I'd tell them it's water-based vapor with traces of nicotine, vegetable glycol, and propylene glycol. Fewer surprises later, that way.

I like the fog machine explanation.

I realize this is just my take on things. I'm less concerned with vaping in peace today than in being able to continue vaping in the future.

I was vaping on the board walk wall on mission beach SD, Ca. When a lifeguard drove up behind me on the sand and said "Excuse me, but there is no smoking on the beach and boardwalk." I said that I don't smoke. He said, "Yea-right,I just saw you blowing smoke". I told him that it wasn't smoke, that it was just vapor. (this was a couple of years ago) He said "what are you talking about ''''''vapor'''''?" I said "you know water vapor ... like fog, steam, teapots, hospital nebulizers. He kept asking me questions because he had a hard time believing me. But I answered them all, including the ingredients.

Since then at the boardwalk (yes, I am a beach bum) Three cops, three different times, the first mentioned "No smoking" I just showed him it was a vaporizer, not smoke and he just said "OK, carry on." I could tell he didn't know anything about them, and he was still standing there talking to a couple other cops. At that time I always carried a little write-up about e-cigs because no one then knew what they were and I was on a mission to let the word out and convert smokers. So I went back up to him and handed him my flier, and he gave it back to me and said: "It doesn't matter to me. You can inhale what you want, it's your life."
The second cop just asked me if that was a vaporizer, then said OK and left. The last one rode up on a bicycle, after seeing me puff, then looked at my hand and told his partner "oh, it is just a vaporizer"

Now, I do say "LIQUID VAPOR" Instead, just because of uptight vapers like these here. But there is NO DIFFERENCE between saying WATER VAPOR or LIQUID VAPOR. It's the same thing.

Is is not lying, all liquid is water-based or petroleum-based. No water is pure except for distilled. What, when you hand a glass of water to your guest, do you say here is your water with a trace of chlorine with a few minerals mixed in with a little bacteria from the pipes. DO YOU.

 

[HybridTea]

I get it. That's why I said it was just my take on it. YMMV, for sure!

 

[EddardinWinter]

First, full disclosure...


I am a self-identified member of the NUTZ, even though I cannot translate the acronym.


So I usually describe it as a mini fog machine, too. This is most likely an anti-ANTZ conspiracy that me and my co-conspirators cooked up as a part of our well-documented propaganda campaign I have been brainwashed into believing is the truth. When my masters reprogrammed me, they wiped out my free will and any remaining independent thought that was incompatible with NUTZ philosophy.

 

[Jman8]

Nicotine
Using
Tobacco
Zealot
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[EddardinWinter]

Nicotine
Using
Tobacco
Zealot
?

Who cares? I wear it as a badge of honor, so long as it associates me with you, Kristin, DC, Fulgurant, Robin, and the rest of the crazed Nic-heads!

It has become their new favorite sport to call us out. Let them have their fun. Better a NUTZ than an ANTZ.

"One might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb"



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[bikerbeagle]

On a 1 to 10 scale of magnitude, "water vapor" actually being a 'lie' is about a 2. At the very worst, it is a statement of simplicity used to describe a complex process in terms that the "layman" (those with no exposure experience or education in the science involved) can legitimately understand.

As a B&M owner, I most often use the fog machine analogy to describe the process (which, using the OPs -and others'- very strict black/white sense is also a "lie"), but to insinuate that using the term "water vapor" is a quick and easy ticket to heck-fire and darn-ation is a bit over the top in my opinion.

 

[Vermonster13]

Stop calling the me-cigs. They're PVs(personal vaporizers) the FDA wants to put them in the tobacco ring and so do many states(Vermont is trying to pass a law that you have to have a tobacco license to sell them right now). E-cig was the worst long term thing in naming(damn marketing) done.

 

[skoony]

pg is made using a process of mixing propylene oxide and water.
v2 cigs adds water to its mix.so do many other vendors.
raising the temperature to a substance enough to cause vaporization
would cause some molecular break down back into water.
this and the moisture that would be gotten from the lungs would add water to the exhale.
remember pg is good because of the way it disperses ingredients put into it.
especially water.
the bottom line is yes and no,i'm lying,no i'm not.

regards
mike

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

I don't openly vape e-liquid indoors in public places for reasons that I stated here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-public-spaces-not-battle-worth-fighting.html

That said, it's interesting to observe that one can vape distilled water. I don't find it particularly satisfying, but I've done it before. If someone challenges me, I'll drink what's in the clearomizer that I have reserved for it. And while the jury still appears to be out on the whole "second hand vaping" issue, I do respect the rights of non-vapers to be "cautious" in this regard.

(However I'm 100% convinced that vaping poses absolutely no danger whatsoever to anyone once the vapor has dissipated, which is why my conscience is clear when it comes to discreet indoor vaping, and also why I'm personally outraged by restrictions on outdoor vaping. There was a "hit job" study done by some UCSD prof. which alleges that there are trace amounts of carcinogens left over even after the vapor is gone, but I wonder what a compaison with some perfumes, colognes, or aftershaves would show. Now we're really scraping the bottom.)

 

[bulldog63h]

Pop quiz, hot shot: You're a married man, your wife has put on 5 or 10 pounds over the winter, and she puts on her favorite dress and asks, "Does this make me look fat?" What do you do? What do you do?

Sometimes lying is better than telling the truth, as this one simple example shows.

Tell her no, the dress doesn't make her look fat. It's the extra weight that does.

 

[wagiman boch]

no and never

 

[ruet]

The anti-ANTZ have their own set of propaganda lines. No, I don't call exhaled e-cig vapor water vapor. I remember a representative of one of the famous pro e-cig groups coming to the capital last year to testify in-committee in behalf of vapers. He proceeded to stealth vape in front of the committee to show them how he did it on airliners.

I don't ever refer to the vapor as "water vapor," at all, myself.

And your story about Greg - yeah, that wasn't planned and the rest of the board pretty much did the same thing when he did that:

People are human, sometimes get caught up in the moment and make a mistake. Greg showed up and fought for vapers (not even in his own state) and I think that's what counts. It's a lot more than most vapers do.

Wait... What? Where is the problem here? Would you have facepalmed if he had shown them how he sucked a soft-drink through a straw? To a bystander the two acts are indistinguishable from one another outside of the packaging. I swear, this kind of sheepish behavior is detrimental to the cause of keeping vaping free and legal. Stand up for yourselves! Stealth vape away and let them see you do it.

 

[kristin]

I should have elaborated. It wasn't the stealth vaping he did to show the law as unenforceable, but the bragging that he still vaped in places where it was illegal. (It wasn't "on airliners" as Yzer recalled, but "back in New Jersey" where he lives and e-cig use is included in the smoking ban.) As you can imagine, an organization trying to gain respect and legitimacy with legislators and the public isn't really helped by one of its own flaunting illegal behavior. Actually, it was more of a collective cringe than a facepalm and not that big of a deal. My response to Yzer was to clarify to readers that CASAA, as an organization, doesn't encourage people to vape while giving testimony nor break laws.

 

[Hill]

Well I vape 75%VG and 25% distilled water so I can say it and not be lying but I don't I give the full explanation I guess that's just the way I'm built.

 

[Sirius]

Reading through this thread made me lmfao. If most people knew what the toilets in their home put out into the air while flushing..they would all flush and run like hell.
But no..I don't use the water vapor line.

 

[Sirius]

(However I'm 100% convinced that vaping poses absolutely no danger whatsoever to anyone once the vapor has dissipated, which is why my conscience is clear when it comes to discreet indoor vaping, and also why I'm personally outraged by restrictions on outdoor vaping. There was a "hit job" study done by some UCSD prof. which alleges that there are trace amounts of carcinogens left over even after the vapor is gone, but I wonder what a compaison with some perfumes, colognes, or aftershaves would show. Now we're really scraping the bottom.)

Yeah I agree Roger -- But unfortunately the liberal mindset is taking over everywhere.I fail to understand their way of thinking, but that is another issue. Vaping in public will be relegated to outside with the smokers in all 50 states not long from now imho.

 

[kristin]

Reading through this thread made me lmfao. If most people knew what the toilets in their home put out into the air while flushing..they would all flush and run like hell.
But no..I don't use the water vapor line.

Duck Quacks Don't Echo? Lol!

I actually already knew that, which is why I keep our toothbrushes inside a cabinet!