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Yep, with a coilmaster, it only takes a few seconds each. I sit down weekends and do about a dozen at a time, and put them in a plastic battery box. Same with KGD- I pre-cut dozens of wicks, and put them into a little ziplock. Then when it's time to rebuild, it takes less than 4 min. each atty. Colt & Ford weren't idiots!I build my own coils simply because i've yet to find a pre-built coil that suits how i vape and is cost effective.
Plus i like building coils on a Sunday after lunch - it beats watching the television
A sizable plurality (if not a majority) of current smokers aren't interested in rebuildable atomizers, temperature control mods, squonkers, etc. In these days of Starbucks and smartphones, who wants to physically and manually maintain anything? We do, but we're weird and geeky like that.
And current smokers are pretty much the only source of growth for the e-cig market. Smoking rates have been declining since the mid 1990's in most western countries. So, the potential for industry growth shrinks every year.
If you're a good business manager, you realize that expanding share of a shrinking market isn't a path to long run prosperity. And if you realize that most of your potential customers are spoiled by satisfaction-on-demand, there's not much reason to build anything better than small, powerful, cheap and disposable. You know you're not gonna be around long, so there's no incentive to build something that'll still be around five years from now.
I joked about pulling out a Vamo because relative to other devices available at the time, they weren't built to last, either. Mine still do, but only because of good fortune and kid glove treatment. Break a JUUL today, get a new one right next door.
And current smokers are pretty much the only source of growth for the e-cig market. Smoking rates have been declining since the mid 1990's in most western countries. So, the potential for industry growth shrinks every year.
If you're a good business manager, you realize that expanding share of a shrinking market isn't a path to long run prosperity. And if you realize that most of your potential customers are spoiled by satisfaction-on-demand, there's not much reason to build anything better than small, powerful, cheap and disposable. You know you're not gonna be around long, so there's no incentive to build something that'll still be around five years from now.
I joked about pulling out a Vamo because relative to other devices available at the time, they weren't built to last, either. Mine still do, but only because of good fortune and kid glove treatment. Break a JUUL today, get a new one right next door.
This.
For me personally, building and wicking my own coils, as well as mixing my own juice, has never been about saving money. It was to ensure that no one would ever be able to take the miracle of vaping away from me.
I did recently buy some pod-like devices (Aspire Breeze) to take on a trip to Europe. None of my regular vapes are TPD compliant and I didn't wish to risk losing any of them to an overzealous customs inspector. They're actually pretty decent; i.e. good enough to that in the 10 days I was over there, I was never jonesing for a smoke. But I was very happy to have my regular vapes again when I got back.
It's like cameras or stereo gear, most people want something where they just press a button and it goes. A few enjoy getting into the weeds and experimenting. I've got into it with a few people who wanted to try vaping to get off the cigs, for a lot of them just filling and replacing heads would be way too much effort.
As soon as the industry manages to produce something that's plus and play it will open up vaping to a huge new market. Maybe that's already in place with pods. I haven't tried them so I don't know.
As soon as the industry manages to produce something that's plus and play it will open up vaping to a huge new market. Maybe that's already in place with pods. I haven't tried them so I don't know.
Seem to me Juul has done exactly that.
A few of the vapers I know dont even use the internet!
Just give them a tobacco cessation device that is simple to use and give them a chance to have a win!
Every interest I am involved with on online forums has these purists that dont get it.
Just give them a tobacco cessation device that is simple to use and give them a chance to have a win!
Every interest I am involved with on online forums has these purists that dont get it.
I agree rebuildable coils will keep us vaping long term. But I like some drop in coil tanks for when I just don't have time to rebuild and my new grab & go fav vape is the Orion pod for out and about. It is light, small and easy to take along. Plus I have a carto tank going just for fun LOL, guess I like variety
I can clearly remember threads which describe drop in coils which aren't working properly. They pop up quite regularly.
We all know that wicking a coil is hit and miss. If it's too tight it'll burn. If it's too loose it'll flood. If the tails are packed too tight in the juice wells it'll burn. If the tails are packed too loose in the juice wells it'll flood.
How do users cope with a drop in coil which will always have some of these variables built into it ?.
The industry isn't going to pretend to themselves that this doesn't happen, so they know, but do they do anything to overcome these problems ?. Or do they continue to produce and sell these products knowing that maybe as much as 30% won't even work !. Who does that ?!.
Where are the regulations for quality control for these types of products ?.
It's all well and good that the industry is thriving because of dop in coil devices, but this will only continue as long as everyone ignores the fact that these products aren't built to an acceptably high enough stardard. Low enough in fact that these companies should actually be scutinized by the pertinent government authorities.
If a user burns their drop in coil, which they do, because it isn't manufactured to a high enough standard, then they will be inhaling toxic chemicals. This is an issue for departments such as the FDA to look into.
Nobody is looking into it !.
As far as the longevity of the industry is concerned, who uses mechanicals ?. That's a part of the industry most people ignore. Does anyone care if this part of the industry were to fade away ?.
If those devices which carry drop in coils were regulated out of existence, those companies who produce them will produce something else. Hopefully something that works without producing toxic chemicals for users to inhale.
So where are the regulations ?. If the FDA is so hot on the trail, how does the industry continue to get away with providing these devices to the mass market.
I read, on more that just a few occasions, that a pack of five drop in coils will have at least one coil which won't work, that's at least one !.
So how are they getting away with it ?.
So solutions are posted by members to those who are having problems with these drop in coils.
The point of drop in coils is ease of use. No building etc.
Just so long as the coil works !.
If the coil doesn't work then time and effort is spent trying to make it work.
So, they may as well be spending that time and effort with a rebuildable device.
There's no way round it.
We all know that wicking a coil is hit and miss. If it's too tight it'll burn. If it's too loose it'll flood. If the tails are packed too tight in the juice wells it'll burn. If the tails are packed too loose in the juice wells it'll flood.
How do users cope with a drop in coil which will always have some of these variables built into it ?.
The industry isn't going to pretend to themselves that this doesn't happen, so they know, but do they do anything to overcome these problems ?. Or do they continue to produce and sell these products knowing that maybe as much as 30% won't even work !. Who does that ?!.
Where are the regulations for quality control for these types of products ?.
It's all well and good that the industry is thriving because of dop in coil devices, but this will only continue as long as everyone ignores the fact that these products aren't built to an acceptably high enough stardard. Low enough in fact that these companies should actually be scutinized by the pertinent government authorities.
If a user burns their drop in coil, which they do, because it isn't manufactured to a high enough standard, then they will be inhaling toxic chemicals. This is an issue for departments such as the FDA to look into.
Nobody is looking into it !.
As far as the longevity of the industry is concerned, who uses mechanicals ?. That's a part of the industry most people ignore. Does anyone care if this part of the industry were to fade away ?.
If those devices which carry drop in coils were regulated out of existence, those companies who produce them will produce something else. Hopefully something that works without producing toxic chemicals for users to inhale.
So where are the regulations ?. If the FDA is so hot on the trail, how does the industry continue to get away with providing these devices to the mass market.
I read, on more that just a few occasions, that a pack of five drop in coils will have at least one coil which won't work, that's at least one !.
So how are they getting away with it ?.
So solutions are posted by members to those who are having problems with these drop in coils.
The point of drop in coils is ease of use. No building etc.
Just so long as the coil works !.
If the coil doesn't work then time and effort is spent trying to make it work.
So, they may as well be spending that time and effort with a rebuildable device.
There's no way round it.
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If it were big phama and big tobacco lobbying for regulations, and not the vaping industry trying to squeeze more money out of the pubic, then have no illusions that the authorities would have done something about it months ago.
Does the vaping industry benefit from the TPD by wiping out the ability for D.I.Y e liquids ?.
You can say what you want but they do. How kind of big pharma and big tobacco to do that for the vaping industry. Helping the competition to stay in business.
Who does that ?.
Does the vaping industry benefit from the TPD by wiping out the ability for D.I.Y e liquids ?.
You can say what you want but they do. How kind of big pharma and big tobacco to do that for the vaping industry. Helping the competition to stay in business.
Who does that ?.
Then there people such as Phil Busardo. Endorsing a product which only works at most 80% of the time. The rest of the time it produces toxic chemicals for the user to inhale.
He truly is a man of integrity !. Knowing his followers will believe everything he says.
What a great guy !. A true ambassador for the vaping "industry".
He truly is a man of integrity !. Knowing his followers will believe everything he says.
What a great guy !. A true ambassador for the vaping "industry".
Gotta love these threads where all the like minded Vapers get together and have a party patting each other on the back for knowing the only right way to do it. 
From my perspective, the failure rate of drop in heads is often overstated. It may be the case for some models but in my experience it is pretty uncommon. I've had two dead heads in the last three years, both failing to fire from the get go. No harm whatsoever.
It does sort of seem to be the year of the pod. I thought it would be the year of the squonker, but the pods seem to be ahead.
I don't really give two pennies how someone else vapes, I still have PLENTY of options in my style of vaping to enjoy. It's just a matter of knowing where to find stuff.
ALSO I sincerely hope it continues to be that way but if it doesn't, I will survive! Etc.
Anna
I don't really give two pennies how someone else vapes, I still have PLENTY of options in my style of vaping to enjoy. It's just a matter of knowing where to find stuff.
ALSO I sincerely hope it continues to be that way but if it doesn't, I will survive! Etc.
Anna
I don't mind to fill my 4 ml tanks 2 times a day, so I don't need a squonker.
Vaping since 2007, starting with eGo T, rebuilding as soon as possible (when the Vivi Nova and Kanger Protank came available), because you never know when a supplier will stop selling pre made coils, and with DIY you can choose your beloved wire, diameter and wick material. Bought a juge pack of Muji-cotton and threw away the silica.
Never needed a coilmaster kit. Only bought a ceramic tweezer and a coiler stick with 5 diameters. Already had enough scissors, normal tweezers, nail cutters.
About mech mods, I know some people who prefer to keep using those, but I personally don't, cause those are too risky in the morning when I'm not awake enough or late in the evening when I'm getting sleepy.
About pods, I bought a Minifit that can also handle high VG, and can easily be held between the lips, making vaping possible during cooking, typing, etc., but rebuilding takes a bit too much effort.
Vaping since 2007, starting with eGo T, rebuilding as soon as possible (when the Vivi Nova and Kanger Protank came available), because you never know when a supplier will stop selling pre made coils, and with DIY you can choose your beloved wire, diameter and wick material. Bought a juge pack of Muji-cotton and threw away the silica.
Never needed a coilmaster kit. Only bought a ceramic tweezer and a coiler stick with 5 diameters. Already had enough scissors, normal tweezers, nail cutters.
About mech mods, I know some people who prefer to keep using those, but I personally don't, cause those are too risky in the morning when I'm not awake enough or late in the evening when I'm getting sleepy.
About pods, I bought a Minifit that can also handle high VG, and can easily be held between the lips, making vaping possible during cooking, typing, etc., but rebuilding takes a bit too much effort.
Most vapers I've met when out and about have not been the hobbyist, tinkerer, collector or enthusiast. The surveys and sales statistics show this, too. Many I've met only use or carry one device, too. SHOCK!
So, when they venture out to a vape store when their iStick or Pico is getting shabby or they break their nauti -- they very well may pick up a pod along with something similar to what they've been using effectively.
The pod idea has appeal, and not just for those just trying vaping or trying again as they are small and tidy and almost guaranteed to be a much better vape than the other dinky systems from ages past...especially cig alikes. I do see them being effective at enticing people to switch to vaping, and that is great.
Alas, I am certainly not interested in the "box mod" vari style to go out of fashion or become illegal. I LIKE my gear -- A LOT! But, I do get a kick out of having a suorin air in my wallet! (The ultimate stealthy back up)
So, when they venture out to a vape store when their iStick or Pico is getting shabby or they break their nauti -- they very well may pick up a pod along with something similar to what they've been using effectively.
The pod idea has appeal, and not just for those just trying vaping or trying again as they are small and tidy and almost guaranteed to be a much better vape than the other dinky systems from ages past...especially cig alikes. I do see them being effective at enticing people to switch to vaping, and that is great.
Alas, I am certainly not interested in the "box mod" vari style to go out of fashion or become illegal. I LIKE my gear -- A LOT! But, I do get a kick out of having a suorin air in my wallet! (The ultimate stealthy back up)
Wow, this is a first for me, hearing this point of view. You seem so angry, yet you're not even getting burned by this- you've obviously discovered the only acceptable mode of vaping. Why does it bother you so much that other people are buying defective product - so much so that you want the FDA to regulate something that's not a food or a drug, or even something people consume? You really want the FDA to regulate quality of electronic devices?
I think you actually put the solution here:
As with any other product, let the market dictate - those that make defective products will either improve, or go out of business. The market, and its products will mature. I mean, it's not a public safety issue. Masses of people aren't dying due to dud Baby Beast coils.
I'm actually considering picking up a pod device or a cigalike just to give myself time away from cleaning, coiling and wicking. I also have a new tank coming in, so this is probably a bad time to go that route before I try it
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