Senate rejects challenge to FDA tobacco bill

[enrogae]

Source this, please.

FDA Begins Regulating E-Cigarettes as Drug-Delivery Devices // ASH's Legal Petition Spurs/Explains Action

That is just one of thousands of news articles about this. You can find more searching these forums. I recall one post that even linked directly to the FDA website where it explained these as "drug-delivery devices" and that they had no idea how much nicotine was being absorbed. Search this forum, use google. There are lots and lots of sources for this.

LOL bones. I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong. I really mean that.

Now, I'm gonna go lose myself in a novel until I pass out. You ladies and gents have a wonderful evening.

 

[ladybug]

Very true! I could still get my beloved vape,keep doing commit longenes, or patches(which I have) and they still can't stop the people! I quit because the taxes got so high,I do not want to feed the government. Tired of paying thier way!That is why they are trying to mess with ecigs, my hubby has turned 3 peeps at work on to the ecigars because the price of a pack of cigars has risen to 10 bucks for a pack 8!

 

[Bones]

Wait - one more - about your signature -

11 days?? - you been looking into this a while have ya ? LOL

 

[enrogae]

I have been looking into this for awhile...yes. I won't attempt to claim that I have more experience than most people on these forums, but I have done my research. I spent over a month researching before I even joined this forum...or before I purchased an e-cig. I have spent at least 4 hours a day (sometimes more) researching the e-cig in general as well as the current legal proceedings.

Also, I didn't quit analogs cold-turkey. That banner is only indicative of how long I have gone without a single analog... and without backsliding. It would be a rather large presumption to assume that the number of days I've gone without an analog is equal to the time or amount of research and study I have put into this general topic.

Am I even half as experienced as the majority on this forum? Of course not. Have I had years to understand how corrupt the FDA is? You betcha.

 

[Terraphon]

Terraphon you have to understand that if they are regulated by FDA standards it will be at least 8 years before they hit the market. That's how long their testing/approval process takes for a product like this. Regulation is, for 8 years at least, the same thing as a ban. Not to mention I don't know a single e-cig company out there that can afford the massive amounts of money it will require to do said testing.

Link?

Some sort of source indicating that this is correct?

I think we'll find that the length of time required varies. If I'm wrong I'll gladly cop to it but I don't think 8 years is an accurate number for approving a product which is in use already.

As an example, NicLite (nic water) was banned in mid 2006...It's back on the market (albeit with some changes made to nic content).

Again, I don't think 8 years is accurate but I'll gladly digress if irrefutable proof is shown.

 

[Vapor Pete]

Wait - one more - about your signature -

11 days?? - you been looking into this a while have ya ? LOL

I agree. With enrogea's reply to the above, that is.
So what if his banner says he's been off analogs for 11 days? Its an invalid, unwarrented dig, in order to try to discredit him. Hell, I could've been on the original e-cig development team in China back in '06, and my banner (if I had one) would only say I've been analog free for three months. And I too did TONS of reasearch before joing the ECF and purchased an e-cig.
My point is it was a cheap shot at someone who's posts (so far as I've read) are respectful and remain intelligent. Thats it... just my $.02
My best,
-VP

 

[Vapor Pete]

Wait... one more...bones, about your number of posts...

You've been a member here for a long time huh? LOL

My best,
-VP

 

[TropicalBob]

The real bottom line to this disagreement is this: The device is whatever the FDA says it is.

That agency, charged with regulating drugs among other duties, has defined it in emails to suppliers of halted shipments as a "drug delivery device" and the e-liquid as a "new drug." Now, if you disagree, or you think it's really a ...., then file a lawsuit. Expect years in court and appeals.

But note what happens in the meantime: The FDA position does not change. The goods do not get delivered. Sellers will have nothing to sell.

I agree that the marketing of the devices was flawed - and stupid in many cases. If this were merely a novelty device to blow nicotine vapor rings, this problem might have been delayed (but the anti's will come after it with all they've got, sooner or later). However ... read the patents: This is not a novelty device but a nicotine delivery system using vapor. Without nicotine, it would be just a Chinese toy with minor market appeal. I, for one, could care less about it if that were the case.

Those who think smooth e-smiling lies ahead are about two chapters behind today's reality.

 

[Bones]

Wait... one more...bones, about your number of posts...

You've been a member here for a long time huh? LOL

My best,
-VP

It was just a late night jab in jest - I didn't mean any offense by it -
Sorry if I offended anyone with that -

 

[Bones]

This is not a novelty device but a nicotine delivery system using vapor. Without nicotine, it would be just a Chinese toy with minor market appeal. I, for one, could care less about it if that were the case.

Those who think smooth e-smiling lies ahead are about two chapters behind today's reality.

I am not behind -
Yes - Give me "Chinese Toys"! - THAT IS MY POINT EXACTLY !

You seem to be saying that if a device that functions in exactly the same way as an "E-Cig" were not CALLED and "E-Cig" then you would have no use for it?

A vaporizer by any other name - would still VAPORIZE - and I would use it as one - No matter WHAT they called it -

You are so caught up in the argument that you are failing to see the forest for the trees - If they do ban all "E-Cigarettes" as patented - Then new and nearly identical devices would soon be patented as "Chinese Toys" removing any advertised connection to nicotine -

There is just so much DOOM and GLOOM here - Let someone like me point out a silver lining and fast comes the rebuke -

Tell you what TB - When/If the time comes -= I will loan you some sack cloth and a couple of cat-o-nine-tails - So that while I'm happily vaping on my "Chinese Toy" - You can sit in the corner whipping yourself with a big old - WOEeeeee IS ME! -

Seriously people LIGHTEN UP - and be logical -

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
-Abraham Lincoln ​

 

[Kamanjah]

FDA Begins Regulating E-Cigarettes as Drug-Delivery Devices // ASH's Legal Petition Spurs/Explains Action

Old news, FDA is not regulating - yet. They've placed import alerts against 3 manufacturers. (last I heard, anyway)

Once the device is separated from the nicotine, it doesn't fall under FDA purview. Remember the toys someone found a while back? Kid's toys that use PG for all sorts of vapor fun. They don't fall under FDA purview. Call the PV a vapor toy and it's perfectly legal.

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[JennFL5366]

wow bones. kinda harsh..id be careful tb has been here a LOT longer than you have, and probably has done more research on this than anyone in this thread...tb is one of the smart ones been doing it longer than most has been in here longer than most and has probably a bigger stockpile than i have...lol an i have quite a bit right now.

 

[Bones]

I don't think I'm being harsh - And what is this idea that the longer you have been a member of the forum the more correct you are? This forum is not the sole source of knowledge and education on the planet - That's just silly - I was joking when I said something to that effect earlier - was being sarcastic about that trend I see.

I agree - I can see TB's knowledge - and I do respect it - Just pointing out that I think he's lost sight of the reality because he has spent too much time in the realm of legal lingo - Just as is stated above - There will be a way to sell devices like this without connection to nicotine - He seems to be saying he will only want to use a device that is designated for the purpose of nicotine - and has no desire to vape with a "Chinese Toy"

 

[Bones]

Old news, FDA is not regulating - yet. They've placed import alerts against 3 manufacturers. (last I heard, anyway)

Once the device is separated from the nicotine, it doesn't fall under FDA purview. Remember the toys someone found a while back? Kid's toys that use PG for all sorts of vapor fun. They don't fall under FDA purview. Call the PV a vapor toy and it's perfectly legal.

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MY POINT EXACTLY ! -

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

I agree that even if there is a ban one would be able to find vaporizers that could be used functionally as an e-cig. However, I think the major issue is the liquid.

Even if I still have a vaporizer what good is it if I have no way of getting nic juice?

 

[Bones]

Read the forums - The juice can be made at home 9 different ways _ and if you look at my posts I clearly state that the future of the juice may be in peril - But not next week -

 

[dEFinitionofEPIC]

Read the forums - The juice can be made at home 9 different ways _ and if you look at my posts I clearly state that the future of the juice may be in peril - But not next week -

Touche...nothing is in peril as early as next week...These things take very long to be implemented.

Trust me. I know it can be made. But quite frankly, it is still a major pain in the ....... I'm sure most would agree. Plus there are possible dangers in making homeade e-juice and it could take a lot of trial and error in getting the flavor you're looking for.

All around....not ideal but will have to do....

 

[Bones]

Exactly - I didn't say I'd prefer to make it at home - Just that Do what they may they won't stop me from vaping - And I have tried it - It's not that difficult really - And if you do it in small batches it's not that dangerous either - The trial and error will be done collectively by the brave and the free - and the best methods will be posted -

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[brandeeashlynn]

The Senate is goin to make the final vote before it goes to Obama today at 2 30pm today Eastern time.

 

[Surf Monkey]

They're passing it right now.