Sense of Smell vs Sense of Taste
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Don't know yet. Several people recommended it for overnight to get rid of the perfumy-ness. I guess it's like a good wine, it should breathe before tasting.
I'll let you know how it goes.
I let it sit 1 day with the cap off . I do this with fresh vendor juices as well .After i put the cap back on i let it steep another 3 days . I do vape some while waiting usually though . It makes a big improvement it richness .A lot of time changes the flavor completely for the better . It does this most with bakery juices . Fruits will always be the most tart before steeping .Depends on what your going for . If your juices are tasting perfumey it may be that they are overflavored or just that they are TPA .Disclaimer :Joking sort of before everyone starts yelling at me again lol. I always make my juices so they are weak at first . This usually ensures after steeping they wont fall off the flavor cliff and land in the great bowl of turds and urine . lol
Hi Str, I think I started mild enough on the flavorings about 10-12% on the base flavor & another 3-4% on the "extras". I kept the total flavors under 20% because everyone says do NOT over flavor. I can always add more if needed. And I DID keep notes of everything & had a blast.
Hubby thought I looked like a mad scientist at the table. Found it amusing
I have always had an incredible sense of smell, so perhaps the perfumy thing is more my nose. Your favorites are Capella's right?
I only have one recipe that breathing helps. It hurts most and has no difference with some.
I've been able to make great mixes with every vendor's flavoring I've tried. (obviously not every flavoring and Lorann's has the smallest percentage of working flavorings)
And steeping doesn't help or hinder many of my mixes.
I know that the cap-off thing has become a cult like thing but my experiments have not shown it to work any better than cap-on and sometimes worse except for a small percentage.
Now you have a difference of opinion and can conduct your own tests to see which works for you.
I've been able to make great mixes with every vendor's flavoring I've tried. (obviously not every flavoring and Lorann's has the smallest percentage of working flavorings)
And steeping doesn't help or hinder many of my mixes.
I know that the cap-off thing has become a cult like thing but my experiments have not shown it to work any better than cap-on and sometimes worse except for a small percentage.
Now you have a difference of opinion and can conduct your own tests to see which works for you.
Darn Hoosier, more to think about & stuff in my overflowing grey matter.
Well, I've got the caps off now & have been for about 3 hours, so I'll let them stay off overnight, re-cap, steep some more. I did get the steeping going with hot water until they got back to room temp.
If I don't like what I've made then I'll try it cap on & steep.
So Hoosier, what is your favorite overall flavoring company?
Wish me luck
Well, I've got the caps off now & have been for about 3 hours, so I'll let them stay off overnight, re-cap, steep some more. I did get the steeping going with hot water until they got back to room temp.
If I don't like what I've made then I'll try it cap on & steep.
So Hoosier, what is your favorite overall flavoring company?
Wish me luck
Hi Str, I think I started mild enough on the flavorings about 10-12% on the base flavor & another 3-4% on the "extras". I kept the total flavors under 20% because everyone says do NOT over flavor. I can always add more if needed. And I DID keep notes of everything & had a blast.
Hubby thought I looked like a mad scientist at the table. Found it amusing
I have always had an incredible sense of smell, so perhaps the perfumy thing is more my nose. Your favorites are Capella's right?
A lot of TPA flavors have a Perfume smell taste in general . I have a box that i put the flavorings i didnt like in (mostly TPA ) and it smells like a perfume store . There are some good TPA flavorings though . WHat flavors did you use ? Percentages could vary a lot on TPA .Some could be as low as 2-3% . 15-20% could be overflavoring depending on the flavor .You arnt the only one who gets a perfumyness from TPA . There are lots of people that feel the same way with some of their flavorings . Theres only about 3 or 4 that iv been able to use by themself that iv tried . I do use about 10 tpa flavors in mixes though with my Capellas as the base flavors . I use almost all Capella dominant juices .I usually like 1 out of every 5 tpa flavors i try and with capellas there a none that i dont like. In my opinion theres just nothing that compares with the real smell and taste as well as the richness . Theres not one Capella flavor that has even the slightest perfume smell or taste and pretty much all of them are good . I havent found one yet that was just BAD and iv tried about 3/4"s of them . You should read the Capellas thread . Lots of useful info there .
STeeping with the cap off does work the same way as leaving the cap on . The difference is that with the cap off the first day it will steep in half the time . Its not exactly a subjective thing imo if steeping works . There are a bunch of vendors juices that are unvapeable to me before steeping and after steeping are in my top 10 favorite juices .Some go through massive changes where theres not even a resemblence of how it was before . WIth vendors that dont make juice fresh to order you dont really have to worry about steeping as they have already been steeping . Most bakery juices and coffees make a world of difference with steeping .
Just IMO .You will eventually find what you like best . Just be sure to give Capellas a try so you can see for yourself.Theres a slim chance you wont be sold on them .
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Hi again Str
My TPA list is: Peach, Plum, Cola, Marshmallow, Hypnotica (love the name), Dbl Chocolate, Bavarian Cream, Blackberry, EM, Almond Amaretto, Caramel Candy, & Lemon (bought this by mistake - should have been just lemon juice which I always have).
When I next do a flavoring order, I'll check out Cappella's. The general consensus on the forum is that Cappella's is more forgiving.
I am going to try & make my own Hazelnut Coffee & Kahlua Coffee flavored extracts from the ECF coffee sub-forum. It sounds like the way to go. Hey if it doesn't work I'm out a few tbsp of coffee & some PG.
My TPA list is: Peach, Plum, Cola, Marshmallow, Hypnotica (love the name), Dbl Chocolate, Bavarian Cream, Blackberry, EM, Almond Amaretto, Caramel Candy, & Lemon (bought this by mistake - should have been just lemon juice which I always have).
When I next do a flavoring order, I'll check out Cappella's. The general consensus on the forum is that Cappella's is more forgiving.
I am going to try & make my own Hazelnut Coffee & Kahlua Coffee flavored extracts from the ECF coffee sub-forum. It sounds like the way to go. Hey if it doesn't work I'm out a few tbsp of coffee & some PG.
So Hoosier, what is your favorite overall flavoring company?
Wish me luck
The majority of my stash is TPA/TFA and FA.
Good luck!
Hoosier, have you tried TFA Hypnotica? I have it because I like the name, sounded intriguing & fun. Not sure what to do with it though.
Post #28 has my TPA selection. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
Post #28 has my TPA selection. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
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Hi Newwell - I'm another crypto-supertaster/supernose. I haven't even stopped smoking (yet), but just cutting down on the cigs has really made daily life a bit difficult due to this - but luckily a menthol-loaded PV in my pocket is a sanity-saver when confronted with all the fleeting smells of the tram or a mall.
I would say go *very* easy on flavourings. The thing Hoosier talks about with too much being nothing, or very very unpleasant, is very true.
One of the few professionally made juices I have bought is a premium Tobacco Café (Liberty Flight's XO series). I could hardly taste anything at full strength. At 50% dilution the flavours are absolutely overpowering to me. I'm still debating what percentage to try it at next - who knows, maybe it will be a favourite at 10% (I'm talking 10% ready mixed *juice*, not flavourings, here).
If you are like me and tend to have an über-sensitive nose, I would recommend to just ignore all percentages people recommend. You will need to at least halve them to start.
With the exception of some Hangsen flavour concentrates (recommendation is 30%, I mixed at 15%) and my home made tobacco and cocoa extractions (which I made pretty weak) I have as yet mixed nothing with more than 6% total flavouring.
When you talk about "perfume-y", I wonder if you have mixed much tobacco? (I've mostly just played with tobaccos, no desserts or fruits except for plain mint and plain orange)
I've had some really weird experiences since I started mixing, there seems to be a few notes in many tobacco flavourings that are also rather common in some actual perfumes/colognes/soaps/etc:
- I've started frantically digging in my pocket in the tram because I was convinced my PV was leaking and stinking up everything - only to realise that it was the cologne on some guy who just entered...
- There's a person I see every week who uses a soap or something that has just the tiniest hint of (another?) fragrance note found in some flavourings - it was highly distracting before I figured that one out!
- And I realised a hair-conditioner I only sometimes use (the one that comes with some of L'Oreal's hair colourings) also has a little little tiny amount of something that is either the same or very close to something I've mixed with.
So far I have not steeped anything with cap off - I haven't yet come across a really unpleasant "perfume-y" taste in anything that I was that invested in (I have however experienced it, but only in dilutions of bought juices and in some very left-handed "let's see what this is" things - in both cases I ust put it aside, and two weeks later it was more or less gone).
Hoosier, have you tried TFA Hypnotica? I have it because I like the name, sounded intriguing & fun. Not sure what to do with it though.
Post #28 has my TPA selection. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.
I have it, but haven't used it yet. I suspect it is a copy of FA's Hypnotic Mist which I like. It's one of those flavors that everybody seems to find it tastes different. I find that it changes flavors as I vape it. I've had others say it is like fruit loops, toasted marshmallows, and grapefruit. When I do get around to trying it, I will probably go baseline of 10% and adjust up or down from there based on my mixes with FA's version. (Note, I tend toward the strong end.)
Hi again Str
My TPA list is: Peach, Plum, Cola, Marshmallow, Hypnotica (love the name), Dbl Chocolate, Bavarian Cream, Blackberry, EM, Almond Amaretto, Caramel Candy, & Lemon (bought this by mistake - should have been just lemon juice which I always have).
When I next do a flavoring order, I'll check out Cappella's. The general consensus on the forum is that Cappella's is more forgiving.
I am going to try & make my own Hazelnut Coffee & Kahlua Coffee flavored extracts from the ECF coffee sub-forum. It sounds like the way to go. Hey if it doesn't work I'm out a few tbsp of coffee & some PG.
Heres what i think of the TPA flavors you have .
DBL chocolate -Theres a few different ones but i do like the old regular DC and the clear DC .They were my goto chocolates before i tried Capellas . IMo those two double chocos and Capellas are the only good choco's there is . Capellas still is much better at choco's
Caramel candy . I do like this one somewhat . Its one that doesnt have the perfume smell/taste at least but it is a very weak flavor . I do use it on occasion in mixes .Still not as good as Capella caramel though as capellas in much more rich but they are different types of caramel . Check out my caramel reviews in the flavor review section .
Bav cream . This one is pretty weak but its not bad . I dont use it anymore though because i like capella and loranns bav cream much better.TPa does get perfumy if even slightly over flavored .
Blackberry - i thought was bad and a bit chemicalish/perfumey . Havent touched it after my first two attempts
Peach wasnt horrible but i just didnt like it
Marshmallow -By far the worst MM out of all the flavor vendors . Its just weak and doesnt have that rich numbing mouthfeel like the rest .
The others i havent tried . EM is not exactly a flavor but yes thats good and a must have .You will be using it often to sweeten/richen up your juices .
My first real DIY juices are done & I gave them all a try. 2 are excellent 
- Choc Almond & the Cola, blackberry is OK maybe 
, & the peach is Drano 
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The Choco Almond is yummy. The flavors are proportioned well. My DH likes it too. I want to let it steep a while longer to get the depth/body that I'm looking for.
The Cola is nice & bright, but a little weak at 10% + 1% EM. So I'll try upping it to 12-15% next time & the EM to 1.5% to keep the proportions.
Blackberry has an off-taste & a bit weak at 10% & EM at 5%. I don't like the flavor of EM at 5%. Figured I would need a higher %age with berry. Not. Is there any tried & true "bubbly" sweeteners out there. I really like a light fruit.
The Peach was a total disaster & ended up as drain fluid. I got some peach ejuice from V4L & love it ( almost gone) . Figured peach would be the easiest. WRONG! Any suggestions on a good peach?
Thanks everybody for your help & advice. I'm happy that I have a better than 50% success rate on the first go-round.
- Choc Almond & the Cola, blackberry is OK maybe , & the peach is Drano .The Choco Almond is yummy. The flavors are proportioned well. My DH likes it too. I want to let it steep a while longer to get the depth/body that I'm looking for.
The Cola is nice & bright, but a little weak at 10% + 1% EM. So I'll try upping it to 12-15% next time & the EM to 1.5% to keep the proportions.
Blackberry has an off-taste & a bit weak at 10% & EM at 5%. I don't like the flavor of EM at 5%. Figured I would need a higher %age with berry. Not. Is there any tried & true "bubbly" sweeteners out there. I really like a light fruit.
The Peach was a total disaster & ended up as drain fluid. I got some peach ejuice from V4L & love it (
almost gone) . Figured peach would be the easiest. WRONG! Any suggestions on a good peach?Thanks everybody for your help & advice. I'm happy that I have a better than 50% success rate on the first go-round.
I think you'll see the consensus is pretty much that the TFA Peach and Blackberry aren't good flavors. I think the Blackberry tastes nasty, haven't tried their Peach. I like HC Peach for a canned cling peach flavor in heavy syrup, it's dead on. I haven't found anything that tastes like real peaches yet.
Yeah, I am NOT pleased with the peach at all...yucky . The blackberry is very iffy, smells pretty close, but the flavor is way off. I have an abundance of real blackberries in my backyard all summer long, so I eat them constantly.
(OMG, after 2+ months & I was just looking for an ashtray!!!!
Where is my mind?)
Thanks for the suggestion about the peach. Do you add a touch EM or another sweetener?
. The blackberry is very iffy, smells pretty close, but the flavor is way off. I have an abundance of real blackberries in my backyard all summer long, so I eat them constantly. (OMG, after 2+ months & I was just looking for an ashtray!!!!
Where is my mind?)Thanks for the suggestion about the peach. Do you add a touch EM or another sweetener?
Yes, I almost always add EM and sweetener but I like my mixes sweet. I know, the Blackberry smells great but I couldn't get it mixed to taste good no matter what I tried.
If your trying to get the tartness to a fruit flavor then lorann tart and sour aka citric and malic acid is your best friend . Capella has the best and most realistic fruits imo . Another great thing about Capellas is they are pretty consistant from bottle to bottle . TPA you never know what your next bottle is gonna taste like .
CHoco and almond goes really good together . I make a awesome toasted almond , hazelnut fudge brownie with all capellas flavorings . You can actually taste the brownie well after you vape it like you were eating a real brownie .
CHoco and almond goes really good together . I make a awesome toasted almond , hazelnut fudge brownie with all capellas flavorings . You can actually taste the brownie well after you vape it like you were eating a real brownie .
You know that little lemon-shaped lemon juice sold in the produce departments? That's citric acid. If you have any you could try adding a few drops of that to your fruit mixes... it really helps. I also like FaeriesFinest fruit flavorings, the ones I've tried are very realistic. FlavourArt also makes good fruit flavors.
It's hard because the names make some flavorings sound delicious and it's hard not to buy them, but in reality many don't taste anything like their names. Unless you have unlimited funds I would suggest you write down the names of the flavors and the vendor that other members have had good luck with.
I'm happy you had good luck with two that you made. I've read that some add champagne to their cola to get that fizzy feel. You may want to do a search for cola and see what others do. I don't vape cola so I can't help there.
It's hard because the names make some flavorings sound delicious and it's hard not to buy them, but in reality many don't taste anything like their names. Unless you have unlimited funds I would suggest you write down the names of the flavors and the vendor that other members have had good luck with.
I'm happy you had good luck with two that you made.
I've read that some add champagne to their cola to get that fizzy feel. You may want to do a search for cola and see what others do. I don't vape cola so I can't help there.- Status
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