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I am loving my VK and have not used my 510's, 801s, even my CHUCK has not been used much, and am waiting to order an adapter to use VK cartomizers on THAT!!!!!
Do they make adaptors for 510's I have 2 barts and I would like to try the carts out
But can't give up my bart's
Do they make adaptors for 510's I have 2 barts and I would like to try the carts out
But can't give up my bart's
I am loving my VK and have not used my 510's, 801s, even my CHUCK has not been used much, and am waiting to order an adapter to use VK cartomizers on THAT!!!!!
Do they make adaptors for 510's I have 2 barts and I would like to try the carts out
But can't give up my bart's
I believe altsmoke has a 510-to-KR808D-1 adapter. I have a Bartleby on the way, looking forward to trying that out with the cartomizers.
Goodprophets.com also has the 510 -> KR808 adapters.
Oops! Just checked and it looks like Rob has sold out of those.
Oops! Just checked and it looks like Rob has sold out of those.
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Thank you Taryn..that's exactly what I'm saying...when someone asks for a suggestion suggest the actual model..later on (even in the same post) you can exclaim your love for whatever company and inform them what they call it at that company..even expound on what makes their model different from the others..but the actual suggestion on model I think should be without bias on what that person says they are looking for and all too often we on this board flat out ignore what the person asks for suggestions about to pimp our own biases..
Reguardless, the original question was why anyone can prefer the 510...I was simply stating the reasons I went with the 510, in my case..one was that there was just not a KR808D-1 starter kit anywhere that fit what i was looking for/my preferences (closest was with a company that calls it the Ace, and again renamed/rebranded but a short manual no stated cut off tho), and that yeah rebranding and repetative logos bother me I prefer a sleek, classic look for myself and things like the multi brand batteries just look tacky to me.. and thirdly the sheer rabidness and visciousness of the fan base while it speeks volumes for the company also can hurt it too (because you don't want to be part of that crowd)...Honestly being confrontational and pushy and essentually deeming someones opinions as invalid well that not a way to make friends and influence people (recent posts here being a prime example, if I would have been on the fence about the Vapor king, confrontational posts like the ones from adrenalyn (spelling) would honestly push me the other way away from the company..)
As for the whole soda thing adrenalyn (again spelling) truth be told the fast majority of the time I brew my own, but when I do buy it in the store I have my preferences and choose based on those preferences ...such as I don't want a cola so someone standing in the aisle getting in my face shouting No get the Coke, it's far superior" and then deriding my preferences and opinions isn't gonna help me or even the soda company they're so fiercely loyal to. In fact it might make me anti coke.. part of the reason I'm Anti Apple, (won't honor applecare warranties for smokers nd declare their machines biohazards..really, wtf is that) and anti against a few of the suppliers round here already (ones with devil head logos and ones that make mods that rhyme with buck)..
And the specific vendor model advancements...yeah, people are saying that they are enough to qualify it as a whole seperate model versus just a rebranded KR808D-1 you'd think that the company would highlight those things and what makes them different on their website..I don't need to test 100 of them to check for myself..
Reguardless, the original question was why anyone can prefer the 510...I was simply stating the reasons I went with the 510, in my case..one was that there was just not a KR808D-1 starter kit anywhere that fit what i was looking for/my preferences (closest was with a company that calls it the Ace, and again renamed/rebranded but a short manual no stated cut off tho), and that yeah rebranding and repetative logos bother me I prefer a sleek, classic look for myself and things like the multi brand batteries just look tacky to me.. and thirdly the sheer rabidness and visciousness of the fan base while it speeks volumes for the company also can hurt it too (because you don't want to be part of that crowd)...Honestly being confrontational and pushy and essentually deeming someones opinions as invalid well that not a way to make friends and influence people (recent posts here being a prime example, if I would have been on the fence about the Vapor king, confrontational posts like the ones from adrenalyn (spelling) would honestly push me the other way away from the company..)
As for the whole soda thing adrenalyn (again spelling) truth be told the fast majority of the time I brew my own, but when I do buy it in the store I have my preferences and choose based on those preferences ...such as I don't want a cola so someone standing in the aisle getting in my face shouting No get the Coke, it's far superior" and then deriding my preferences and opinions isn't gonna help me or even the soda company they're so fiercely loyal to. In fact it might make me anti coke.. part of the reason I'm Anti Apple, (won't honor applecare warranties for smokers nd declare their machines biohazards..really, wtf is that) and anti against a few of the suppliers round here already (ones with devil head logos and ones that make mods that rhyme with buck)..
And the specific vendor model advancements...yeah, people are saying that they are enough to qualify it as a whole seperate model versus just a rebranded KR808D-1 you'd think that the company would highlight those things and what makes them different on their website..I don't need to test 100 of them to check for myself..
agreed..then it can be one more model that can be suggested on it's own merits..It will all be a moot point for us V4L fans when they come out with their exclusive one of a kind new ecig!
Droz'd, I can't really see how you will ever be happy with anything with a "name" of any sort on it. I've met people like you before, I get it, kind of.
As I've said before, I started this loking for something to help me quit smoking, I searched and searched and had the 510 shoved down my throat, as most newbies do. But I read a lot, and I read a lot of unhappy people fiddling with things that should "just work". I want to quit, not get frustrated. I found this group and thought the claims were a bit exagerated as well, but everybody was happy at the end of the day.
The hype is real, and I don't care if they were selling the 510, this company makes the product! I've NEVER dealt with a company like this, they WANT to help you. I mentioned in a post that things were tight money wise, in less than an hour I got a PM from them offering me a line of store credit to get me through the holidays. No questions, no strings, they don't know me from Adam!
There have been many that have tried other vendors juice, just to be dissapointed. There are many that have tried other vendors carto's, only to be dissapointed. They go out of their way to make sure their equipment works and works right. They go out of their way to make sure the customers are happy, be it they are wrong or not, they go above and beyond without questions or assumptins. When is the last time you had to warrantee anything? You had to send it in so they could make sure it wasn't something you did to it. These guys just send you a new one, NOW!
So in your mind it might be just another KR808d-1d thingymajigger with a different label on it. To us, as long as it's this company they can put that sticker on anything they back up!
It's Steve, Mark, Leoford (who is in China fixing QC issues and product development for us) and crew that make things work for us.
Now this will sound mean, and it's not meant that way, it's just honesty. If you have a problem with "brand loyalty" as it really seems you do, please don't purchase anything and take the kit you have won and give it to someone that will be able to apreciate it for what it is, simple, honest and works, that is backed by the best company you will ever have the pleasure of doing buisness with, and find something less flashy and more simplistic.
As I've said before, I started this loking for something to help me quit smoking, I searched and searched and had the 510 shoved down my throat, as most newbies do. But I read a lot, and I read a lot of unhappy people fiddling with things that should "just work". I want to quit, not get frustrated. I found this group and thought the claims were a bit exagerated as well, but everybody was happy at the end of the day.
The hype is real, and I don't care if they were selling the 510, this company makes the product! I've NEVER dealt with a company like this, they WANT to help you. I mentioned in a post that things were tight money wise, in less than an hour I got a PM from them offering me a line of store credit to get me through the holidays. No questions, no strings, they don't know me from Adam!
There have been many that have tried other vendors juice, just to be dissapointed. There are many that have tried other vendors carto's, only to be dissapointed. They go out of their way to make sure their equipment works and works right. They go out of their way to make sure the customers are happy, be it they are wrong or not, they go above and beyond without questions or assumptins. When is the last time you had to warrantee anything? You had to send it in so they could make sure it wasn't something you did to it. These guys just send you a new one, NOW!
So in your mind it might be just another KR808d-1d thingymajigger with a different label on it. To us, as long as it's this company they can put that sticker on anything they back up!
It's Steve, Mark, Leoford (who is in China fixing QC issues and product development for us) and crew that make things work for us.
Now this will sound mean, and it's not meant that way, it's just honesty. If you have a problem with "brand loyalty" as it really seems you do, please don't purchase anything and take the kit you have won and give it to someone that will be able to apreciate it for what it is, simple, honest and works, that is backed by the best company you will ever have the pleasure of doing buisness with, and find something less flashy and more simplistic.
The vast majority of "newbies" that come to ECF begging for someone to help them make a decision to just get off analogs are not looking for technical specs, model numbers or compatibility charts or- the are looking for someone to just please please tell them exactly what to buy and where they can get it without getting ripped off.
Honestly, why did you bother to even interact with a company and it's users if you found them and their products so distasteful?
I guess I don't get it.
Drozd wants the best, the most effective PV on the market, but feels logo's cheapen the product, and is trying to stand out from others. The following the "rhymes with buck" has gotten, and the fact we are all so happy with what we have and like to share that cheapens the product and eliminates the "cool factor" for them.
No really you don't get it...apparently I'm either not being clear or several of you are not actually reading what I'm saying about why I chose the 510 over the KR808D-1 (aka vapor king)..
I Do understand brand loyalty believe me I do and I totally respect what you've stated here and admire the customer service and loyalty that that customer service inspires...to a point (I'll explain that in a moment) but you said it yourself in what I bolded below..it's really the company, their customer service, more so than the KR808D-1 what I am saying is that sure suggest the KR808D-1 as a model and discuss it's pros and cons....then in a SEPERATE paragraph you can IMHO say that you got your KR808D-1 from V4L (and that they call it a vapor king there) and go on and on about how spectacular their customer service is etc...but it really should be seperate..that's much different than responding to the which model questions than simply "get a vapor king"...I liken it to christians versus born again christians both the same god and belief system but some are just over zealous to the point they push people away.. and you illustrate what I'm saying to a point..you are zealously pushing the company and you said it yourself that it wouldn't matter what model they sell...that doesn't help a newbie with the pros and cons of a specific model, how does hearing how cool the V4L crew is in any way tell me objectively about size,vapor production, throat hit, battery life, cart life, or ease of use? When I go to buy a wrench for work I don't care if that it came from sears because they sponsor extreme home edition and ty pennington does so much for people.. I simply want a wrench that fits my work needs carries a warranty and is competatively priced and does it's job as intended...now some one new to the trade says "hey I need a wrench, suggestions?" I'm gonna give em the sizes we use discuss the pros and cons of different ones..then might say this is what I use and why..not simply say get a craftsman..
Again I don't have a problem with brand loyalty, I was just stating what my personal needs and requirements are and how there was nothing on the site that met that for me (I'd love it if there were (but more on that later) which is major part of why I went the route of 510 after narrowing it down to that and the KR808D-1 ..
Here do this for me please I'm going to list my needs and requirements and you point me to the vapor king kit on the website that fits...you do that (from strictly information on the website not special PMs or special requests through a flurry of back and forth customer contact forms) and I'll spring for a pack of cartos for you of your choice..
1)needs to be in the 100 -120 mm range of length no xl batteries don't want a penstyle length 2) must be a manual battery (I work outside at quite some height and often in high winds I don't want an auto battery accidentally going off and getting hot and distracting me from my safety) 3) a 5 second cut off is insufficient must have no shutoff or upwards of 13-15 second shutoff 4) sleek simple uncluttered look ie. one small unobtrusive logo at most (would prefer none but I'm willing to concede to one)(colors should not make it look like a toy so black, and a matte finish silver color are ok) 5) 2 battery kit, no PCC. These I don't think are too terribly much to ask for (and I really wish this kit existed but from everything I've seen in the online store it just doesn't)
As I said I do believe in company loyalty I find it a seperate issue..first comes the product and the quality thereof, the company and customer service is just the icing on the cake...
I Do understand brand loyalty believe me I do and I totally respect what you've stated here and admire the customer service and loyalty that that customer service inspires...to a point (I'll explain that in a moment) but you said it yourself in what I bolded below..it's really the company, their customer service, more so than the KR808D-1 what I am saying is that sure suggest the KR808D-1 as a model and discuss it's pros and cons....then in a SEPERATE paragraph you can IMHO say that you got your KR808D-1 from V4L (and that they call it a vapor king there) and go on and on about how spectacular their customer service is etc...but it really should be seperate..that's much different than responding to the which model questions than simply "get a vapor king"...I liken it to christians versus born again christians both the same god and belief system but some are just over zealous to the point they push people away.. and you illustrate what I'm saying to a point..you are zealously pushing the company and you said it yourself that it wouldn't matter what model they sell...that doesn't help a newbie with the pros and cons of a specific model, how does hearing how cool the V4L crew is in any way tell me objectively about size,vapor production, throat hit, battery life, cart life, or ease of use? When I go to buy a wrench for work I don't care if that it came from sears because they sponsor extreme home edition and ty pennington does so much for people.. I simply want a wrench that fits my work needs carries a warranty and is competatively priced and does it's job as intended...now some one new to the trade says "hey I need a wrench, suggestions?" I'm gonna give em the sizes we use discuss the pros and cons of different ones..then might say this is what I use and why..not simply say get a craftsman..
Again I don't have a problem with brand loyalty, I was just stating what my personal needs and requirements are and how there was nothing on the site that met that for me (I'd love it if there were (but more on that later) which is major part of why I went the route of 510 after narrowing it down to that and the KR808D-1 ..
Here do this for me please I'm going to list my needs and requirements and you point me to the vapor king kit on the website that fits...you do that (from strictly information on the website not special PMs or special requests through a flurry of back and forth customer contact forms) and I'll spring for a pack of cartos for you of your choice..
1)needs to be in the 100 -120 mm range of length no xl batteries don't want a penstyle length 2) must be a manual battery (I work outside at quite some height and often in high winds I don't want an auto battery accidentally going off and getting hot and distracting me from my safety) 3) a 5 second cut off is insufficient must have no shutoff or upwards of 13-15 second shutoff 4) sleek simple uncluttered look ie. one small unobtrusive logo at most (would prefer none but I'm willing to concede to one)(colors should not make it look like a toy so black, and a matte finish silver color are ok) 5) 2 battery kit, no PCC. These I don't think are too terribly much to ask for (and I really wish this kit existed but from everything I've seen in the online store it just doesn't)
As I said I do believe in company loyalty I find it a seperate issue..first comes the product and the quality thereof, the company and customer service is just the icing on the cake...
I guess I'm not in the vast majority ..in that I don't want to be held by the hand and coddled and told what to do...but rather be educated and given options to make my own decisions and that's fine by me..I guess I can't understand how anyone can want that and still be able to function on their own in every day life. guess it's that give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish mentality.
In all honesty, and surfing the threads when I read the original post I was somewhat insulted..like my opinion was wrong and didn't matter and an almost how dare I like the 510 over the vapor king. So I took the time to carefully explain exactly what went into my decision. Of course this isn't what people wanted to hear, an opposing viewpoint instead of a cheer along, so posts were picked apart and parts ignored...so now challenged I've had to explain the same thing again so that maybe it could be grasped..I never said I had a problem with the company..in fact I believe I've repeatedly said that I wished they had a product that fit my needs and requirements (which I wouldn't say means I find their products distaseful, quite the contrary in fact since Itook the time to say I wish they did have a roduct that fit "me") and that to have such a rabid fanbase says alot about a company (to a point) I did say that I personally find the multi logo battery tacky looking IMO when explaining what does not appeal to me. Further, I went on to say that I see a difference between someone telling a newbie to get a vapor king and suggesting that they might like a KR808D-1 and then suggesting that if that model appeals to them then they might want to check out V4L..refering to a vapor king like it is it's own model just serves to muddle and confuse the issue much like suggesting a nebula, zeus or vaporello or a titan or yeti instead of just saying 510. Lets face it, there's 2 piece or 3 piece models, about 3 size categories (not including mods and one offs) and at least 4 or so models in each of those size categories...why further complicate things for a newbie right out of the box. And lastly how, though the rabid fanbase can indicate good things about a company's customer service it can also turn some people away. Honestly, after defending my position about why I chose the way I did for my first and primary PV and having to defend it repeatedly as my words were either selectively ignored or words put in my mouth or attacked for part of a sentence here and part of one there instead of taken as a whole..well no matter how much I may want to like the company or their product (when they offer one that suits my requirements and needs) I don't know if I want to drink their electric kool-aid and be part of THAT cult (the one that ignores half of what you say and just turns downright mean when the hive mind sees something that might not be 100% praise)
Hey everyone! I am new to the world of vaping as well as this forum and just purchased my first e-cig, a UU starter kit from Vapor4Life.com along with an XL manual battery(wanted a manual battery to try out too, plus i wanted a longer lasting one for times i am out for extended periods) and 5 extra packs of carts in varying flavors. I'm very excited and can't wait for it to get here!!!
i posted a thread in the new members section asking for advice on what to get, and the responses seemed to overwhelmingly advocate either the KR808D-1, specifically the Vapor King from V4L, or a 510. i went with the VK because i really wanted a simple 2 piece unit. I didn't want to be fussing with changing/maintaining/cleaning/buying atomizers and dripping/dipping and topping off carts as a total newbie. just wanted one that would be nice and easy and require little to no maintenance.
drozd i believe you actually replied to that post, which i appreciate, and i do understand where you are coming from about recommending a specific model of e-cig first and then recommending a vendor. i am a newbie myself and i can see how my fellow newbies could get confused and think that a vapor king is a certain model that is different from a KR808D-1 or vice versa.
anyway, being so excited about my new e-cig i just couldnt stop reading, and i came across this thread. i have to say that the extreme loyalty all you guys show for the Vapor King and Vapor4Life is VERY reassuring to me and makes me feel really good about my choice. since the replies to my newbie post were about half for the VK and half for the 510, i wasn't sure i had made the right choice and was thinking i might buy a 510 too. after reading this thread i have completely dismissed that idea. THANK YOU so much for all the great info and peace of mind you guys have given me about my new VK (which can't arrive soon enough!!! i can't wait to START VAPING and STOP SMOKING!!!). You guys really put my mind at ease and made me positive i'd made the right choice. I can't wait to receive my kit and officially join all of you as a V4L vaper!
thanks again!!! much appreciated!!
-Jay
i posted a thread in the new members section asking for advice on what to get, and the responses seemed to overwhelmingly advocate either the KR808D-1, specifically the Vapor King from V4L, or a 510. i went with the VK because i really wanted a simple 2 piece unit. I didn't want to be fussing with changing/maintaining/cleaning/buying atomizers and dripping/dipping and topping off carts as a total newbie. just wanted one that would be nice and easy and require little to no maintenance.
drozd i believe you actually replied to that post, which i appreciate, and i do understand where you are coming from about recommending a specific model of e-cig first and then recommending a vendor. i am a newbie myself and i can see how my fellow newbies could get confused and think that a vapor king is a certain model that is different from a KR808D-1 or vice versa.
anyway, being so excited about my new e-cig i just couldnt stop reading, and i came across this thread. i have to say that the extreme loyalty all you guys show for the Vapor King and Vapor4Life is VERY reassuring to me and makes me feel really good about my choice. since the replies to my newbie post were about half for the VK and half for the 510, i wasn't sure i had made the right choice and was thinking i might buy a 510 too. after reading this thread i have completely dismissed that idea. THANK YOU so much for all the great info and peace of mind you guys have given me about my new VK (which can't arrive soon enough!!! i can't wait to START VAPING and STOP SMOKING!!!). You guys really put my mind at ease and made me positive i'd made the right choice. I can't wait to receive my kit and officially join all of you as a V4L vaper!
thanks again!!! much appreciated!!
-Jay
Ok, I get it but - this is how you personally would like everyone to respond to people's questions. The thing is ...they don't have to. They don't agree with your reasoning for doing so. People really do feel they're being helpful when they quickly shout the name of whichever vendor has treated them right.
It's like, when people are recommend specific juices from a vendor do they go into long details about how technically it's really just made of PG and flavoring and shouldn't be called drewbacco or risqee etc? And then fully describe the exact taste and TH of every flavor?
No, they just say "I recommend 555 from _____ , its awesome!". Does that make you a cult member that is out to confuse the noobs? No, it's just how people make friendly recommendations.
And like I said- it seems like most "newbies" asking for suggestions don't want to even read stickies or browse the model subforums or use the search feature. They simply want : an assurance it works and a link.
Later, after they've actually tried vaping they usually come back and get really into a bunch of research (which is half the fun).
Is this maybe about a few threads that irked you? Because there are tons of threads on ECF where people have discussed those features to infinity, for every model out there. I regularly tell people: First read this or that sticky. Then for a 3 piece go with the m401 or 501 (and I list links) or for a 2 piece look into the kr808 aka VaporKing (with link). A lot of folks do that.
I'm not sure why this has turned into some lesson in forum best practices. I honestly think it's maybe a personal pet peeve on your part.
Have you looked to see that it exists anywhere? Have you posted on ECF asking these specific questions? Because they all could have been answered. It almost seems to offend you that exactly what you require doesn't exist simply because "it's not too much to ask".
All I want is a PV that tastes like a Marlboro Ultra Light, looks like one and lasts for 8 hours.
Doesn't mean I'm going to get it ...or that ________ (insert company name here) isn't a good choice because they haven't made it already.
Look, I'm not rabidly defending V4L here, we could be talking about any vendor. I just find your disappointment a bit lacking in logic in some areas.
(As to people jumping on you in this thread... I think it might have something to do with you entering a V4L contest then coming into a thread in the V4L subforum and basically listing a ton of reason why you don't like them and sort of implying their customers are mean koolaid drinkers. So people got riled up.)
Hey Jay
I started with a 510 and for me personally it just wasn't worth it. Don't get me wrong, it's a great PV and it's popular for a reason. I enjoyed tinkering with 3 pieces for a while but in the end I just wanted to actually enjoy vaping. The 808 allows me to do that.
I'm glad I went with V4L. I know that if I ever have a problem they are here on ECF pretty much every night, and there are a ton of helpful forum goers here who will jump in and offer info or support as well.
(BTW- glad the back & forth didn't scare you off
. ECFers in general tend to be fairly passionate bunch about their choices, whatever they may be- after all our vendors are the people helping us get off analogs.)Well hi, jay..glad to see that you make a decision that you think will work for you and the important part that you want to stop smoking and believe that this is the device for you and best of luck to you.. the semantics and arguing aside ..that's all i like to see/hear..thats the important part...it's a decision you made and that it'll help empower you to stop the analogs..
On a side note if you ever do get curious about the 510 (and I'm not pushing it one way or the other)..theres an adapter you can get to try a 510 atomizer on your KR808d-1 batteries..so you wouldn't have to buy a full kit and you can fairly cheaply put that dog to rest one way or the other..
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After thinking about this discussion, if the new people would just read the stickies in the newbie forum then all this would be a non issue! They can learn there the differences between different models of ecigs then just use the forums to decide what vendor to buy from and tips on usage!
Exactly-
getting off analogs is the most important part.
no more 4000 chemicals per puff for me!
im sincerely hoping the few packs of marlboros i bought last night will be my last, altho i guess it depends how long it takes my VK to arrive
getting off analogs is the most important part.
no more 4000 chemicals per puff for me!
im sincerely hoping the few packs of marlboros i bought last night will be my last, altho i guess it depends how long it takes my VK to arrive
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