Shirt : "FDA proves E-cig's at least 1000 times safer than traditional cigs, about as safe as the patch"

[twoshadetod]

I wish someone, I don't care if it's the ECA or some guy that wants to make money - make a shirt with the lab report and numbers , compared to reg cig's and the patch and in big red letters something about the FDA's own test proving that the stuff in it is 1000 less than a reg cig, and about the same as the patch....and that was the BAD batch.

I would buy one or three if they looked half decent and had different info, or even diff colors. It would be sweet with references at the bottom.

Maybe a newpaper background or even contained in the newspaper graphic.

I dunno but someone make these please.

I'll update after I search and get the actual numbers, I think it was 7n something or other in the BAD batch of the ejuice and 7000n of it in cigarettes, and 7n in the patch.

or if anyone has it first please post

 

[souporvapor]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vaporstation/28253-debunking-latest-b-s-fda-claims.html

This is from another post (link address above) that gives the details of the FDA report
more like about 150 times less than .... logs ... for 16 mg liquid
and just a bit under the amt in the NRT gum..

I like those numbers!!!! An awesome improvement over big tobacco's 'sanctioned' poison.


What about Nitrosamines? Nitrosamines are carcinogens. Tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) are found in the liquid used by Ruyan in their cartridges. According to the Health New Zealand report1, the amount increases with the amount of nicotine, and the average is 3.928 Ng (or parts per billion [ppb]). The breakdown is as follows:


Quote:
Nitrosamines
0mg - 0.260 Ng (ppb)
6mg - 3.068 Ng
11mg - 4.200 Ng
16mg - 8.183 Ng


The highest amount found was in 16mg liquid, which had an average of 8.183 Ng. In comparison, Nicorette Gum (which is approved as an NRT) contains about 8 Ng. To put that number into perspective, Swedish moist snuff contains between 1000 and 2400 ppb nitrosamines, and unburned tobacco from cigarettes contains around 1230 ppb.

 

[twoshadetod]

Fine, how about

"FDA's test confirm; Electronic Cigarettes 15-30,000% safer than traditionals, about as harmless as Nicorette"

It would be cool if the shirt would give the impression that the FDA wanted it to come out that way, or at make people want to ask the FDA if that is true or learn more about it.

I dunno, I just think I'd rather wear and read a shirt like that then one that says "What the FDA doesn't want you to know" or "The FDA are liars".

I'd think conspiracy theory if I wasnt involved already or educated somehow.

 

[vaporich]

It all about taxes and money, until the FDA can make money off of the ecig, or until a ecig manufacturer directly pays them for there approval they will not approve of this product. Why would they its safer for us. We all though the FDA was here to protect us, but clearly they allow and support a regular analog cigarette more than and ecig, and those have about 10,000 chemicals in them. LOL. we know the truth, keep vaping.
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

 

[EtherMagic]

Why don't we just get straight to the point here:

"SAVE THE E-CIG!!!"

"FDA TRYING TO MURDER SMOKERS BY RETURNING THEM TO TOBACCO"

"CAUSE: MONEY,GREED,POWER,LIES!!!"


Or here's another Shirt:

"DON'T BELIEVE THE FDA's LIES ABOUT E-CIGS"

"THERE TRYING TO KILL YOUR LOVED ONES WHO SWITCHED FROM TOBACCO TO E-CIGS BY RETURNING THEM TO TOBACCO"

"SQAUSH THE LIES"

Then put this address on the shirt:

"FIND THE TRUTH: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary"

 

[DisMan]

It all about taxes and money, until the FDA can make money off of the ecig, or until a ecig manufacturer directly pays them for there approval they will not approve of this product. Why would they its safer for us. We all though the FDA was here to protect us, but clearly they allow and support a regular analog cigarette more than and ecig, and those have about 10,000 chemicals in them. LOL. we know the truth, keep vaping.
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary

The FDA doesn't support cigarettes. They fought cigarettes tooth and nail for the past 40 years. What is really ticking me off in this whole thing is the conspiracy crap and how the FDA is choosing cigarettes over e-cigarettes.

No.

The FDA is saying they both contain hazardous chemicals. That's the bottom line. They're not choosing, taxing, or anything of the sort. If these things are bad for us, we better freaking listen or we'll all be whining and complaining about how e-cigs made our future children dumber because we vaped while pregnant.

Listen to the reports. I am glad to see reports coming out. It's not like the manufacturers spent any money to get a freaking report...the cheap .......s.

So, since the manufacturers *NEVER DID THEIR JOB*, the FDA has to get reports. I believe I said that the MFG's better start doing their damned jobs a year ago. Well, they didn't. They were busy making the profits...and as you can see by the report, some of them cut some corners to make that extra .002% profit but using bad liquid.

Come on..blame the manufacturers for not doing their damned homework. Don't blame the FDA for saying "Uh, guys, there *is* some bad stuff in some of these juices. You're going to have to be careful on what you're buying."

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[twoshadetod]

The point I would hope got across is "Look the FDA found stuff in e-cig's, but what they aren't telling you is what they found also is found in the gum at just about the same level and by their own finding they are WAY safer than traditionals. So whats the problem?"

 

[Ridewithme38]

I'd LOVE to see a Side by Chart with the FDA listings from E-cigarettes next to Cigarettes and an Approved NRT...

 

[souporvapor]

anybody know how/where to find the 'official' ingredient lists on NRT's
tried to get them from the Am Lung Association....
no luck

 

[twoshadetod]

I'd LOVE to see a Side by Chart with the FDA listings from E-cigarettes next to Cigarettes and an Approved NRT...

Hahah yeah, on the bottom a chart "Cigarette XXXX nitrowhatevers - FDA approved Nicotine Gum XXXX nitrowhatevers - FDA approved ECigarettes XXX nitrowhatevers BANNED"

then

"Can you guess which one isn't sold by Big Tobacco or Big Pharma?"

 

[enpuck]

What about "FDA says e-cigs have 3.996 doungerous chemicals less than analogues"?

 

[twoshadetod]

What about "FDA says e-cigs have 3.996 doungerous chemicals less than analogues"?

Yes! I'd have to get an extra one if that shirt printed looking like the headline from a newspaper.

or "FDA lab test confirm Ecigs safe according to their guidelines"

 

[KreeL]

Come on..blame the manufacturers for not doing their damned homework. Don't blame the FDA for saying "Uh, guys, there *is* some bad stuff in some of these juices. You're going to have to be careful on what you're buying."

The FDA hasn't proved there *is* bad stuff in e-cigs. Even *they* admit as much. If this is left 'up to the manufacturers', then why is the FDA doing any testing at all? Since they *are* doing some rogue testing, why are they being deceptive? Why did they start the fear campaign months ago? Are they just *that* ignorant? Of course not. They are being lead around like a drunken mule by the powers that be - *Big Pharma* *Big Tobacco* *Big Profits*. Certain *powers* found out decades ago that smokers are stupid. They are finding out now, that vapers *aren't*.

 

[el lobo furtivo]

How about...

"E-cigs, 457% safer than FDA bulls***"

 

[Applejackson]

The FDA doesn't support cigarettes. They fought cigarettes tooth and nail for the past 40 years. What is really ticking me off in this whole thing is the conspiracy crap and how the FDA is choosing cigarettes over e-cigarettes.

No.

The FDA is saying they both contain hazardous chemicals. That's the bottom line. They're not choosing, taxing, or anything of the sort. If these things are bad for us, we better freaking listen or we'll all be whining and complaining about how e-cigs made our future children dumber because we vaped while pregnant.

Listen to the reports. I am glad to see reports coming out. It's not like the manufacturers spent any money to get a freaking report...the cheap .......s.

So, since the manufacturers *NEVER DID THEIR JOB*, the FDA has to get reports. I believe I said that the MFG's better start doing their damned jobs a year ago. Well, they didn't. They were busy making the profits...and as you can see by the report, some of them cut some corners to make that extra .002% profit but using bad liquid.

Come on..blame the manufacturers for not doing their damned homework. Don't blame the FDA for saying "Uh, guys, there *is* some bad stuff in some of these juices. You're going to have to be careful on what you're buying."

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What about the New Zealand study? Or the one that Njoy is presenting to the courts? I believe TW has also had their liquid tested, or they are in the process at least. For sure they are having tests done for the new 54mg liquid they're releasing soon.

 

[ProtoType]

I don't think anyone should vape while pregnant.You shouldn't even be having caffeine either. For those women that refrained from smoking, coffee, alcohol, and others. Great job. It's harder than it sounds.

I live in New Jersey and Lautenberg is pushing to ban it. We just had a huge scandal in New Jersey that came out with the black market, rabbis, and politicians. Don't look to New Jersey to help back up the electronic without lobbyist. It sucks. Oh well.

 

[DisMan]

What about the New Zealand study? Or the one that Njoy is presenting to the courts? I believe TW has also had their liquid tested, or they are in the process at least. For sure they are having tests done for the new 54mg liquid they're releasing soon.

When the reports are presented from nJoy, then I *may* pull back on my comments. However, there are 100's of distributors buying juice from hundreds of vendors.

I want to ask you..who is keeping you safe from those? It certainly isn't the hundreds of distributors. This report was awesome as it showed that "not all e-liquid is created equal".

I've been using Totally Wicked myself because they do list ingredients and appear to be one of the few who *are* taking the responsible actions. But they are the exception, not the norm. The *norm* in this whole thing is people are distributing liquid that is not tested, monitored, controlled, validated, or proven safe.

So, I am on the FDA's side of putting *something* in place that will keep China from poisoning us. Their report is proof enough that some companies are not in it for a "safer smoking experience". They're in it to mostly make a buck.

Think of it this way...would you buy a stereo off a person on the corner selling it out of their van?

If not, then why are you buying lung inhalation juice from a person who makes it in their basement?

Just think of the reality there. The FDA is trying to make that very clear. And their *first test* has proven the variations between two larger companies.

Look at your bottle of ejuice...where did it really come from? I bet many of us have no idea.

 

[quititllc]

How about "FDA: Keeping the streets clean by regulating your favorites, like Oxycontin!"

Obvious sarcasm, in case you can't tell.

 

[twoshadetod]

Think of it this way...would you buy a stereo off a person on the corner selling it out of their van?

Depends, if the agency that is trying to shut it down produced a test and proved that at the very worse case it was as safe as another item they regard as safe I don't think I would be alarmed, but I would respect others opinions and not try to force them to use it.

I honestly was surpised more stuff that is bad wasn't found in it since they of coarse produced the worst of the worst they found, but at the same time kind of mad that DEG was in it since PG has to be the cheapest part, why skimp on that?

Either way I want the damn shirt, I talked to two people today that brought up the FDA findings, I responded with a big smile that the FDA test has proven that they are about as safe as a piece of nicotine gum and WAY safer than cigarettes. When they said "but they found carcigens in them" I just looked at them and said "well yeah, it's a tobacco product , of coarse they did, it's the amount of those that determines danger". It worked well and I'm sure at the least they wondered about it.

SOMEONE DESIGN AND MAKE THESE THINGS!

 

[KreeL]

I've been using Totally Wicked myself because they do list ingredients and appear to be one of the few who *are* taking the responsible actions. But they are the exception, not the norm. The *norm* in this whole thing is people are distributing liquid that is not tested, monitored, controlled, validated, or proven safe.

So you believe that China manufacturers are doing no testing, monitoring, controlling, or validating, or proving their e-liquid safe?

You have any proof of this?

Everything I've read about their processing is top notch. Nobody - not even the Chinese - fools around with nicotine in pure form. It's strictly lab controlled, and even in a communist state, totally monitored. If you think you can create e-juice anywhere in the world and not test it, monitor it, control it, and prove it safe, you're quite stricken with something *other* than intelligence.