Even if one Completely Agrees with this, can the Same thing be said about EVERYTHING else that is Inside an e-liquid?
Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?
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Even if one Completely Agrees with this, can the Same thing be said about EVERYTHING else that is Inside an e-liquid?
YES!
Show me something that says that what we use, in the way we use it, at the "standard" levels that we are using it, causes harm. I'm still waiting for the study on diketones in vaping that says if you have X amount of Y in your liquid and you consume Z ml per day, you have an increased risk of A. So far it's all just speculation based on the fact that something has been linked to a disease, when someone is exposed to it long term in a manufacturing environment.
Just answer me this, why is it bad for kids to have nicotine? I'll even ignore the nicotine they consume daily through food.
OK... One Last Post. Then I Really have to do some Solid Modeling.
Because I don't Believe that Nicotine use is Not Without Some amount of Risk. And I believe that the "Act" of Vaping can be Very Addictive in Some/Many People.
If Parents or Legal Guardians want to buy e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids for their Kids, I have No Problem with that. See Post #3.
But I can't Buy Off on having No Age Limits to Children Buying e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine. And there is Only One Age Limit that can Not Be Challenged. And that is when Someone is a Legal Adult.
And to that I will say, see my previous post #54, take a look at point 3.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-liquids-contain-nicotine-6.html#post15073431
Our country, thankfully, has a history of protecting children's ability to make choices about their own lives in spite of their parents' "best intentions." It's the reason planned parenthood is usually free, and anonymous, why in most states doctor's cannot contact a parent without the child's permission in certain circumstances. If you are the kind of parent that can recognize that your child could benefit from vaping, and are willing to help with that, fantastic! You have to realize that there are countless parents out there who are not.
Also, whether you Believe nicotine is without some risk, or that vaping Can be addictive is not in question, what is in question is the rationale for that belief.
Just so there is No Mis-Understanding, let me Quote Myself from Post#11.
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I understand what you mean perfectly well, unfortunately it seems you don't understand what I mean. You have no problem with kids using nicotine, just a problem with them buying it. If an underage person wants to vape, they should get their parents to buy it for them, or more likely one of their older friends but that's a different issue.
My point is that that is fine, if you are part of a family where a teenager has the kind of relationship with their parents where they can say, mom and dad, I'd like to vape instead of smoke, and the parents will say ok, that's a better choice, let's get you some gear. However, if the family is more likely to punish the child for smoking rather than assist them with their healthier decision, I'd rather that child be able to purchase vape gear on their own. Just like I think they should be able to buy condoms, get an abortion, seek treatment for mental illness or addiction, without parental involvement.
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Well then we are just going to Have to Disagree.
Not the End of the World. And I think people are Entitled to their Opinions.
ABSOLUTELY NOT, if it contains nicotine under no circumstances!! I am for vaping 100%, but if the juice contains nicotine it is as addictive as smoking cigs. It relives my cravings and if it does this then it is addictive. KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE KIDS!!!!!
Who in their right mind would vote yes for that poll at the top of this page? No ex-cigarette smoker could! Don't we as adult smokers remember the damn habit that guided and controlled our lives for so so long?
Who in their right mind would vote yes for that poll at the top of this page? No ex-cigarette smoker could! Don't we as adult smokers remember the damn habit that guided and controlled our lives for so so long?
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I do remember being hooked on cigs. I've also done some reading online, in journals, scientific studies, even the information put out by our "friends" in Big Pharma, all of which not only points to nicotine, by itself, not being addictive, but possibly even beneficial.
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Well then we are just going to Have to Disagree.
Not the End of the World. And I think people are Entitled to their Opinions.
Can you at least clarify where the disagreement is? You're ok with kids USING nicotine, just not BUYING it?
I say not every parent will be open to letting their kids vape, even if they smoke. Hell, there are adults who believe the lies and think vaping is 10x worse than smoking. Should the kids who smoke, but their parents think vaping is evil, not have the choice to switch? Are you disagreeing that some parents don't act in their child's best interest? Are you disagreeing that sometimes the "child" really does know better?
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So is red wine.
But I don't want my kids drinking it every day.
When they're 18 they can do whatever they want though (unless they are living under my roof.)
Everybody already knows the answer to this......
the answer is no....... We are guinea pigs.
Most parents have no interest in placing their children into that group.
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Alcohol is something wholly different. It effects both the body negatively(though some positives have been seen) and impairs judgement and reflexes. I suspect there are nearly as many(if not more) deaths in the U.S.A. annually that can be attributed to alcohol, through disease and accidents while someone is under the influence, as there are that can be directly attributed to smoking anything, illicit drugs included.
As for not letting our kids be guinea pigs, they already are, with just about everything we do. Is that iphone giving off radiation? Do your kids play soccer/football, have you seen the latest reports on repetitive head injuries? Are they eating genetically modified food? What about consuming Red #5 dye in their food?
Nicotine is not good for children, and if I'm being honest with myself, nicotine is not good at all. It is a poison. Years ago, it was used as the active ingredient in insect poison, and still may be. But, it is definitely the lesser of the evils of what is in cigarette smoke. What they have found is that it isn't the carcinogen in cigarette smoke. Is it healthy, absolutely not.
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I don't get this position. Imagine if the poll was, "Should Women be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?"
With all similar arguments being put forth, and that men ought to be the ones that are allowed to make the purchases.
I'm guessing if such a poll thread existed and the originator of the poll said, this has NOTHING to do with women using eLiquids that contain nicotine, that it would either be disputed or resisted in similar fashion to us who are the vocal minority that are resisting.
Speak for yourself. I (and many others) were able to quit cold turkey. In my case, I went cold turkey for longer than any current vaper has quit thru vaping. Now, I am a dual user, by choice and smoke in moderation, by choice. No addiction.
Kids stand a far greater chance of becoming addicted if they are shielded from it based on lies and fear mongering. Then it suddenly becomes cool to do.
There is no reality where "keeping it away from the kids" is plausible. Best chance of avoiding perceived problems is to stop the lies around tobacco usage, starting with the obvious ones of "smoking kills" and "SHS is extremely hazardous." The "very addictive" one would be up there as well. All scare tactics that may work on some, but I reckon a minor clever enough to get their hands on a smoke isn't dumb enough to think those lies absolutely must be true. Present the pros and cons of the substance and let the child/teen decide for themselves. Present it only from one side that is likely telling grandiose lies and, if history is any indication, it'll be sought after and then discovered that it is a lie. And as long as vaping is around, cigarette smoking stands very little chance of keeping a new smoker hooked for life and hating themselves for that addiction.
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